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  1. I'm not sure if I misunderstood or misread, but isn't X1 supposed to stream events like nbcolympics.com? All I can find in their upcoming schedule are tv listings. I noticed during the soccer matches they only listed the broadcast networks they aired on rather than a direct feed of just the match. I'm hoping someone can help me by tomorrow morning. Thanks in advance and enjoy the ceremony tonight!

  2. Most of the promos I've seen use the line "on the networks of NBC Universal." To be fair, I've been watching a lot of the Tour de France, so I'm spending a lot of time on NBCSN. The oddity there is that they talk about coverage starting on August 5th, so yes, they are somewhat ignoring the soccer games the 2 days before. I can't speak to having watched much of USA or MSNBC, so I don't doubt you're right about those networks.

    And did the USA basketball games on NBCSN get promoted by NBCSN? I get what you're saying about the secondary and tertiary networks being promoted elsewhere, but 2 of those networks (Bravo and CNBC) were specific to an individual sport. So their appeal is limited. There's only so much time you can spend on promoting coverage. Although again, to be fair, when cable coverage of the Olympics started getting really serious in 2004 and 2006, they were better about then about laying out events and schedules on the cable nets. I think the deal now is that they rely more online for that, probably in part to drive people to that coverage as well.

    Okay.. and of those 90%+ of American Olympic viewers, how many of them would be watching preliminary round soccer matches even if they know about them? I don't think viewership of those games is hurt significantly by the lack of promotion. Could NBC do a better job of pointing those out? Sure. But again, the Olympics are a marathon of coverage. Only so much time viewers (particularly those not already in tune with Olympic soccer and the cable elements) are going to be able to spend watching the Olympics.

    Bullshit. USA basketball matches "only" averaged 2.6 million viewers? Do you know how many events on NBCSN draw more than that? NBCSN had 2 games of the Stanley Cup Finals this year (speaking of signature events on NBCSN that have 2 months of lead-up with the playoffs that you know got heavy promotion). One of those drew 2.8 million viewers and the other drew 2.5 million. Those are for championship level events, not preliminary round games. 2.6 million is a huge audience for NBCSN. Being a cable network and not a broadcast network means they're never going to get the audience that NBC does. That's not a lack of promotion. That's the nature of television viewing. You talk about bridging daytime to primetime.. between 7 hours of daytime and 4 hours of primetime, how many people want another 3 hours of Olympic coverage? Not to mention NBCSN is on all morning/afternoon themselves anyway.

    I think you're setting the bar far too high for the cable nets. You're looking at viewership levels of NBC versus NBCSN and think it's about the promotion, but that's not the case. No amount of promotion is going to get anything near network-level audiences on cable. And that's not just because of the fewer number of people who have cable as opposed to who have access to NBC. That's just the reality of television viewing patterns. Look at the numbers on the cable nets compared to their audience for any other programming. If they can repeat what they got from London, they'll be thrilled. That you think they can do much better is unrealistic, and it's not the level of promotion that makes it that way.

    Looking at the Stanley Cup ratings, it looks like NBCSN held onto 57% of the viewers that watched the game on NBCSN (NBC average-4.68 million; NBCSN average-2.65 million). Recall also, that basketball is far more popular than hockey in the United States. The NBA finals this year averaged 20.28 million viewers. If preliminary round coverage of sports that are less popular (for the most part) and shown at a time with less potential viewers could must 7 million viewers, then yes I do think NBCSN could have mustered over 3 million viewers with more promotion.

  3. Okay, let's clear up some analysis here. NBC promotes the $hit out of their cable coverage. If you think otherwise, you're not paying much attention to the barrage of promos out there. There's only so many people out there watching the Olympics and most of that audience is going to be on the main network. I doubt there's any concern about the preview show audience hurting the soccer match or vice versa. There are going to be many days during the Olympics where they will be 6 networks on the air simultaneously, and that's not even counting the basketball/soccer specialty channels or the Spanish language coverage, if we're going to talk about cannibalization. That's also why could can't compare the women's world cup final (in primetime on a broadcast network.. that was a first) to the Olympic gold medal match which is 1 event out of zillion and say "OMG, the difference in the audience is so extreme!" The Olympic gold medal game was going on at the same time as the women's water polo gold medal game (also featuring team USA) on NBC. Simply based on which was on NBC and which was on NBCSN, I can tell you which got higher ratings. Again, that's not about promotion. That's the nature of more people watching almost anything on broadcast versus something on cable.

    So then you bring up basketball.. do you really think more than 3 million people would be watching a preliminary round basketball game? In the middle of literally hundreds of hours of television coverage. That's not realistic. And again, that's not due to a lack of promotion on the part of NBC. The problem with promoting stars in familiar sports like basketball and tennis is that those athletes have bigger competitions they're a part of than the Olympics. Kevin Durant playing in Rio is a big deal, but not nearly as big as his offseason news of signing with the Warriors. The Olympics are a giant sporting competition where everyone is fighting for attention. There's only so much TV viewers to go around and the bread and butter of the TV coverage will almost be NBC primetime. It's not for a lack of promotion that those numbers are higher than the rest of the coverage.

    Every promo I have seen on NBC for this Olympics has only said "NBC", there's been no mention of the other 10+ channels. I've noticed CNBC has had the rings on its logo for months and seen that Bravo has a colorized Rio next to its name when they come back from their commercials. Of course, NBCSN has the Olympic rings on its logo. However, MSNBC and USA don't have rings on their logos. I watch MSNBC frequently and haven't seen any promos. I don't watch the USA, so I can't attest to their promos.

    In 2012, I recall the USA basketball/soccer matches getting brief shoutouts on NBCSN the next day during a primetime NBC commercial. I don't think MSNBC/Bravo/CNBC were promoted the "$hit out of" or even NBCSN.

    The comment about cannibalization was since probably 90%+ of American Olympic viewers have no idea competition begins before the opening ceremony. So the few million that know that will be most likely to watch the soccer match and even more so the preview special. Once the opening ceremony occurs, of course, everyone knows there's a "zillion" events occurring.

    I understand the soccer gold medal match being on NBCSN due to advertising dollars (soccer has few less commercial breaks), but obviously more people care about women's soccer than women's water polo, so if it'd been better promoted, the figure would have been much higher. And again, the men's basketball games were played at a time when only CNBC was showing boxing from 5pm-7pm ET. The western half, which has a much smaller population, also likely still had NBC daytime coverage (Not sure). So in a slot where boxing was its only Olympic competition, which averaged less than 500,000 viewers, USA basketball matches on NBCSN only averaged 2.6 million. NBC's weekday daytime schedule, in a slot with fewer available viewers, averaged 7.1 million viewers. I don't think that NBC was very successful at bridging its daytime to primetime with three hours on NBCSN, which frequently featured men's USA basketball matches.

    Source: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/08/13/london-olympics-on-nbc-is-most-watched-television-event-in-u-s-history/

  4. How is that ironic? NBC has no control over the soccer schedule and they wouldn't plan a primetime show like that around it. That Mexico is playing then is completely inconsequential. And even if it was the night before, they wouldn't spend much time on the women's soccer. Let NBCSN do that. NBC has bigger fish to fry than to spend time talking about soccer. I think you have to go back to 2004 to find the last time NBC proper showed an Olympic soccer match. In looking at the schedule, I think that will continue through this Olympics.

    I called it ironic since the Olympic-sized ratings won't come until after the Opening Ceremony. So they are cannibalizing the limited audience between the preview and soccer match. I've also never thought that NBC promotes its cable coverage enough and thought this could have been a chance to get those that want to watch the preview to realize that competition is underway. I know the time for the 2015 women's world cup was more favorable, but the discrepancy between the 2015 women's world cup final (around 20 million viewers) and the 2012 gold medal final (around 4 million viewers) is extreme! Even the qualification round of men's basketball, with the biggest stars, only peaked at 3 million. This was also in a slot when there was no NBC coverage! It's just always seemed bizarre to me that NBC doesn't promote the sports with the stars that Americans are most familiar with (Basketball, Tennis, and Soccer).

  5. It's still the most live Olympics ever on NBC. 1 night on delay doesn't mean the entire Olympics are on delay as some people have convinced themselves is the case.

    I know it will still be the most live ever. I just thought there was no way they would do this with it just one hour ahead and after #NBCFail. Also I meant to thank you for discussing NBC's live coverage in 2002.

    I just hope I can find a high quality version of BBC/CBC to watch live online and DVR NBC's coverage to quickly watch their non-OC portions before waking up at 7:15 the next morning for the first full day of competition. I do always love their opening hype video.

    Also slightly ironic to me that NBC will show its preview as Mexico VS Germany in men's soccer is occuring on NBCSN, since its sure to be the most watched match of the day. There's an open hour at 8pm ET the night before between the US/NZ and FRA/COL matches. Since the preview is supposed to be "live" it'd make sense to me to have highlights from the just concluded US match, interview American players, and preview the upcoming match and day ahead of soccer. Also since this preview is occuring the day before, I feel like NBC doesn't need "context" before the opening ceremony.

  6. Fellas, don't over-think this. Albert is not an NBCSN anchor. He's calling track and field events. On the 2 nights where swimming and track overlap, they'll both be on NBC primetime. Neither is getting sent over to NBCSN. That's not why they have Albert in Rio.

    In their press releases, its already been announced that NBCSN will show track & field events.

    (All times US Eastern)

    August 12

    7:20pm-10:25pm Track & Field

    9pm-10:30pm Swimming

    August 13

    7pm-10:15pm Track & Field

    9pm-10:40pm Swimming

    I would think NBC would take swimming live and NBCSN track & field during the conflicts. Although, NBC could also dive in and out of both.

    Another question, that I haven't seen addressed for 2016. Will Olympic programming on NBC be simulcast across the nation like a usual sporting event, or will be they delayed like a regular television program? If I recall correctly, I think the daytime coverage was shown simultaneously throughout the country, but that primetime was delayed in 2012. I was only 9 in 2002, but was programming delayed then also for viewers in Salt Lake City? Fortunately, living in the east, this has never affected me.

  7. I looked at the 2012 version of this thread. A PDF outline of the schedule for the different NBC channels was posted in the thread 25 days before the opening ceremony. However, the date on the PDF was 31 days before the opening ceremony. This PDF was released before the basketball and beach volleyball tournament matches were completely announced. An hour by hour schedule was posted on nbcolympics.com 20 days before the opening ceremony.

    http://images.bimedia.net/documents/2012+London+Olympic+Listings+Outline.pdf

    So I think we have another 7-10 days before NBCOlympics.com updates, but I'm hoping someone can get their hand on this year's outline within a few days. I think we can all agree NBC will do anything they can to get the American beach volleyball matches in the 11pm eastern hour.

  8. NBC Daytime Anchors Al Michaels, Dan Patrick, Rebecca Lowe

    NBCSN Anchors Liam McHugh, Carolyn Manno, Dan Patrick, and Rebecca Lowe

    http://nbcsportsgrouppressbox.com/2016/06/15/al-michaels-dan-patrick-rebecca-lowe-liam-mchugh-carolyn-manno-to-host-nbc-olympics-coverage-in-rio/

    Surprised there isn't a description of NBC's hours. My guess is weekdays 10am-5pm, 8pm-12am, 12:30am-1:30am (All times eastern). With weekend daytime running from 8:30am-6pm.

  9. Wow, that's certainly very interesting. NBC really doesn't prefer this as far as its still-pending programming schedule is concerned and likes to spread it out. Good thing it spread out its channels partly for this situation, speaking of spreading. Unless NBC appeals to have the scheduling adjusted to some degree. As it stands, the soccer match has to go to NBC Sports Network without question. Maybe the volleyball one can head to NBC, as some of its matches have been known to head towards there. And field hockey goes to CNBC. What do you think?

    I think you're right.

  10. I actually just posted about that on another site. Crazy how that worked out they're all playing at the same time.

    Thanks for the water polo link. I had seen they set the groups, but have they set the matchups/schedule? Is that the correct order of play they have listed there or is it subject to change?

    I believe its final. But I'm not positive.

  11. Excellent find Quaker! I'm struggling to figure out the remaining coverage.

    Four years ago, the Basketball and Soccer channel broadcast 770 hours. That alone accounts for over half of the 1,441 hours of cable coverage. Looking at the hours we know

    NBC: 262

    Golf: 69 hours of actual competition, but its press release boasts 130 hours live hours of Olympics programming and 300 hours of total Olympics programming

    Telemundo/NBC Universo: About 200 hours

    Bravo/CNBC/MSNBC/USA: 325.5 hours

    Total: 856.5 hours

    This leaves 584.5 hours unaccounted for

    NBCSN will likely have about 300 hours. That leaves about 300 hours for the three mystery networks. My guess would have been a basketball, soccer, and boxing channel. However, the hours don't really add up for that. For 16 days of competition, the three mystery networks average about 6 hours of daily coverage.

    What do you guys think?

  12. Dtd2, how many Team USA profile videos so far X1 has on demand because the full team in various sports is still fleshing itself out? Also, have you recorded them already?

    Thinking NBC proper will go 200+ hours again with maybe NBCSN going 320+ acting again as the hub for Team USA, assuming no Olympic channels like with Beijing and London. Hopefully, I'll be wrong.

    They have six 5 minute profile videos on Taylor Phinney (Cycling), Michael Phelps (Swimming), Kerri Walsh Jennings (Beach Volleyball), Jordan Burroughs (Wrestling), Gwen Jorgensen (Triathlon), and David Boudia (Diving). There are also five 5 minute clips in the section "Behind the Scenes" they consists of American Olympians discussing their other talents, walking in the opening ceremony, their clothing, being parents, and what they are bad at. "The Get to Know Rio" section has two videos introducing Rio and the excitement of Olympians to go to Rio. There is also a "Best of London" which has about 10 events in their entirety, highlights of American successes, highlights of British success, and an overall highlight video package. There is also a "Best of London" section in Spanish focusing on Hispanic athletes.

    I also think the Basketball and Soccer channels are returning. NBC said there will be 11 networks. We officially know of 9 now (NBC, NBCSN, USA, MSNBC, Bravo, Golf, CNBC, Telmundo, and NBC Universo).

    The extra hours are all coming from tennis as Bravo is now covering the entire tournament through the weekend where last time around, NBC and NBCSN had picked up the weekend coverage. Not sure that necessarily means an extra 41 hours from NBC/NBCSN. Worth noting that if you compare the number of hours on MSNBC and CNBC from London to the number of hours on MSNBC/CNBC/USA in Rio, the number is almost the same. Hopefully they don't cut back on the NBC or NBCSN hours.

    The Olympics are always in an election year, so MSNBC rarely has Olympic coverage later than 5pm. So too is the case here. It is interesting that CNBC won't be showing boxing. I'm wondering where all that coverage is headed.

    At all of the previous summer Olympics, competition was over by 5pm. However, in Sochi, when that was not the case, MSNBC kept going into primetime. So I do suspect the heightened interest in the election may have affected that.

  13. It looks like the four networks together will air 41 more hours than they did last time. And I think tennis will be exclusive to Bravo this time. So hopefully that means NBNCSN will gain 41 hours from rugby and additional coverage.

    The large cuts to MSNBC makes sense since they'll already be getting higher than usual ratings from the presidential election. And it does appear there is an uptick in Breaking News stories. I'm also surprised to see CNBC is branching way outside of boxing.

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