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Everything posted by Quaker2001

  1. According to Wikipedia, for the 1998 Opening Ceremony in Nagano, they used the English alphabet to determine the order. Not sure what they are planning on doing this time around.
  2. Interesting revelation about the Opening Ceremony for Tokyo.. Olympic Opening Ceremony Parade of Nations order changed slightly The refugee team will enter 2nd, right after Greece (as opposed to Rio where they were 2nd to last, before Brazil). And future hosts will be moved to the end of the order. That's a huge win for NBC. Remember they had lobbied to get the order changed in 2016 so that the United States would march later and theoretically would keep people tuned in longer
  3. Those last 2 things aren't necessarily related. NBC seems to be looking good in terms of sales for Tokyo despite the fact they're slowing moving away from putting everything into primetime. So the length of the contract isn't necessarily tied to NBC's ability to generate revenue from primetime. The extension NBC got was a gift from the IOC. Basically a "thank you" for what probably was an over-pay on the 2014-2020 package. Tough to tell what the Olympics will be worth a decade from now. I don't think we can expect a contract of that length based on that reason. Especially if there's open bidding because at that point, I doubt anyone is looking for a package of 6 Olympics. 4 maybe, but that's likely the max. That all said.. don't think it necessarily has a bearing on the host selection. A little bit of certainty will be nice, but we're a ways off from when that will come into play.
  4. Even if we're making this about the countries, they didn't pick Italy over Sweden because it's the larger country, but more because they had stronger support for their Olympic bid efforts. Yes, those can often go hand in hand, but what scared off Oslo for 2022 wasn't the size and scope of an Olympics relative to the size of the country but rather a 7,000 page list of demands that they would have to follow. I think we'll see some sort of bid from Norway eventually. They'll figure out a way to put a plan together that the country can get behind, but a lot of that is based on the IOC's attitude and are they in fact more willing to work with a country like Norway to make an Olympics more feasible for them.
  5. You are reading way too much into this. This is all a matter of circumstance and coincidence than any sort of effort to have history play out like this. When you say "the USA wanting to go back to hosting".. no, the USA has always wanted to host these events. They put in a bid for literally every Summer Olympics between 1944 and 1984. Took a break after that and bid for 1996, which of course they won. Took another break and bid for 2012. There has always been a "want," but the IOC doesn't always want to come here. Don't just look at the times the United States has hosted these events as the only times they have *wanted* to host these events. When I used the word "attraction," it's not about the United States and various cities being interested so much as the country's ability to actually bring those events here. And obviously that's going to be based on recent history where if they have hosted an Olympics or a World Cup in recent memory, they shouldn't expect to see another one for a while. In that regard, 1996 is a big exception, but look at what has been discussed here as the "what if Atlanta doesn't get 1996" alternate history. Maybe Salt Lake gets the `98 Olympics then. Maybe New York is properly timed to get either 2008 or 2012. Now all of a sudden these events are all much more spaced out. Either way, especially when looking at the Olympics and the World Cup, 1 has absolutely nothing to do with the other. The Winter Olympics and Summer Olympics are certainly tied together. In short.. how history has played out (and will play out) has absolutely nothing to do with American culture or global image or anything like that. All a matter of timing and it just happened to work out that 2026 and 2028 will see a World Cup and an Olympics here, with another Olympics probably not too far behind.
  6. The USOC has already chosen Salt Lake over Denver should they decide to pursue a 2030 bid. That decision has been made. The LA2028 folks may say that only because they're concerned about another event cutting into their sponsorship money. Logistically, the United States will have absolutely no problems hosting all 3 in that span. It just may not be as lucrative as it might be if it was spread out. As for the "entire generation" part.. in a 22 year span, the United States hosted 4 Olympics and a World Cup. And here we are again where it may be 2 Olympics and a World Cup in less than 4 years. So it's not as though the United States hasn't been able to attract these events. They're not just well spread out.
  7. Ahh yes, this old tired narrative again. No.. the 2002 Olympics were not tainted by bribery. The bid was. But I was there in Salt Lake the entire month of February. The Games went off without a hitch and the IOC would be overjoyed to head back there with all the American sponsorship dollars that came along with it. No one cared at that point how Salt Lake got the Olympics because they were a more than deserving and worthy candidate. That Salt Lake struggled for votes for 1998.. again, perhaps that had something to do with the fact that vote came less than a year after Atlanta had won for 1996 and the IOC wasn't chomping at the bit to return there. And when they won 2002, is it maybe just possible that they won because they actually had the best bid? Regardless of what steps they went to in order to ensure a win. As for Lillehammer.. yes, they hosted an extraordinarily memorable Olympics back in 1994. But this is 2030 we're talking about. There could be close to double the number of athletes and double the number of events there were last time. 1994 didn't have 3 disciplines of curling and 2 full hockey tournaments to manage. That's why it was Oslo's bid in 2022, with Lillehammer as the secondary city. It needs to be that way again. And I feel very confident that if the IOC has to choose between Salt Lake and Lillehammer, then Salt Lake is going to win that one.
  8. I do. I saw your post in another thread about old Olympic recordings that I keep meaning to reply back to. I saw the link to your site. Assuming the e-mail address is still good there, I'll send you a message and hopefully we can work something out
  9. Do you have something to offer in terms of a trade?
  10. Very much so, yes. Probably have every Opening and Closing since at least 1984
  11. I think I can probably help you out. Send me a personal message so we can chat over e-mail. I have a very extensive collection of the Olympics from 1992 and on.
  12. What stryker said. What exactly about Milan/Cortina getting the 2026 Olympics is going to change anything for other prospective candidates? Especially considering they won't actually be hosting for another 6 1/2 years. Plus, look at the cities you listed. Salt Lake is already as eager as could be. They would have bid for 2026 if they could have and they'll 100% go for 2030 if the USOC gives them the green light (easier said than done due to LA 2028). Sapporo will likely get in line right behind them. Calgary? Their 2026 bid effort was an absolute disaster. I don't think we'll see them again for awhile. Why would Milan/Cortina change anything for them? You mentioned a key point.. Italy has support. That may or may not translate over to other cities and countries. This is not LA in 1984 where several previous hosts were plagued by political and financial issues. The problem these days isn't with the hosts, it's with the IOC. Italy is taking a leap of faith. Sweden was going to although it may have been a somewhat half-hearted effort. The IOC is in a good position that potentially Salt Lake and Sapporo are there for the next 2 cycles which give them 2 potentially low risk hosts. Who else out there is willing to take that chance is the question
  13. The question still needs to be less "is it possible" and more "is it practical." We'll see if any other European cities/countries take a page from Milan/Cortina and suggest something more spread out. That we have this once doesn't mean the IOC is suddenly fine with these things. It's all a matter of comparison. To say nothing of the fact they would need to propose it first and they might not do that in the first place unless there's a sensible plan behind it.
  14. When Nagano won the 1998 Olympics, Salt Lake was 2nd in the voting behind them and only lost by a handful of votes. All it would have taken was 3 voters to flip and Salt Lake would have hosted less than 2 years after Atlanta. So it almost happened once. No reason to think it couldn't happen again. I don't think it's over-confidence to say 2030 is SLC's to lose. If they bid, there's a pretty good chance they'd win. Who would beat them? The IOC isn't in a position to be romantic. If they were, they would have taken a chance on Stockholm. SLC versus Lillehammer is no contest. Lillehammer hosted an Olympics without women's hockey, without curling, and without freestyle skiing or snowboarding. SLC in 2002 had all of those things. So if it's those 2 against each other, SLC will likely win that contest easily.
  15. Colorful overlays will track athletes’ speed during the 2020 Tokyo Olympics
  16. They have to know they have virtually no shot up against SLC. Probably not worth the fight. Hold off and then maybe try again a few years down the line.
  17. Why would you wonder something like that other than a desire to make up random ****? I doubt Bach is going to give a wink wink nudge nudge to Munich to try and get them back in the fray as if he needs that for his legacy. Even then, what about Milan hosting 2026 helps Munich for a potential 2030 bid? Because 1 spread out bid won a vote (against another spread out bid), suddenly Munich/Garmish/Innsbruck is going to be a thing? Good like trying to beat Salt Lake City with that one
  18. There was a certain "other" poster here that was rooting hard for that, if nothing else just to rub it in my face that I said it wouldn't happen. Thus is the craptasticness of this website. It was one thing when once upon a time you had American posters and Canadians posters fighting with each other, but at least there was some substance behind it. In contrast with "I'm going to make an argument to oppose you for the sake of being a contrarian because me.. like.. trolling!" I get that there's not much to talk about here these days since we're likely 4 years away from the next Olympic host being determined. And that there's not that much news to be consumed. It is what it is. The funny thing for me is that I love the Olympics a lot more than I love Olympic bidding, but there aren't exactly a lot of forums out there like this. If someone wants to point me to somewhere where they actually treat the Olympics as more than "2 ceremonies and some filler in between" or "let's spend a week analyzing their choice of a color palette for their logo", please let me know!
  19. The phrase "highly unlikely" is being pretty generous IMO. If it's that unlikely, why does there *always* have to be the question? Because it happened once, we need to acknowledge it as a possibility every time now? Can we as a forum that's supposed to be knowledgeable on these things be fucking smarter than that? Is that too much to ask? The answer to that rhetorical question sadly is yes, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The IOC didn't do what they did with Paris and LA to avoid criticism. There was certainly a level of diplomacy there because it required making a deal, but that didn't come without a cost. It shouldn't be the default assumption that because that happened once, somehow there's a precedent there that we need to have in the back of our minds. And yes, I will continue the ranting about this because it symbolizes what this site has somewhat tragically devolved into. Which is a crying shame and I don't think it happened just because Olympic bidding got boring in the past few years.
  20. I really hate what this website has become that this is still a discussion. That the narrative is still "that thing that happened once and we know is unlikely to happen again.. let's talk about it more because we're fucking bored here and it'll make things more interesting." What happened to when this place used to be smarter than that? This idea of "maybe solid hosts will entice future bidders" still falls very flat to me. What is it about Salt Lake or Sapporo that other cities will see that's going to entice them to bid? To say nothing of the fact that neither of those will happen for more than a decade. Do you really think the IOC is projecting ahead to 2038 or 2042 and worried about what the consequences of the next bid cycle will be that will affect that? That's the kind of crap GamesBids wouldn't have been talking about a few years ago. Now, it's about wild speculation with very little reasonable thought behind it. Let's say we have Salt Lake and Sapporo bidding for 2030. What's the upside in awarding them both? As opposed to letting them duke it out and producing a winner (and yes, a loser). Does anyone think if SLC lost, they wouldn't bid again for 2034? Ditto with Sapporo. They'll be in this for the long haul. What happened with Paris and LA was the perfect storm of circumstances to create what the IOC wound up doing. It's next to impossible for that to repeat itself for the IOC to be compelled to do it again.
  21. Bullfuckingshit it's very likely. That was a one time deal. I see no reason they would be compelled to do it again.
  22. Might also have had a little something to do with the fact that Japan is already hosting an Olympics and bidding for another one (especially when that other one is having budget issues) probably wouldn't be the smartest idea. I think Sapporo will bid for 2030. SLC is the obviously front-runner, but I have a feeling the IOC will encourage Sapporo to give the appearance of a competition and then if nothing else, it gives them a leg up for 2034.
  23. I know. Best I can do to avoid my response being "this site has gone to sh!t and you're all a bunch of bloody wankers"
  24. What happened in Tiananmen Square is one of the most infamous and iconic protests in recent history, particularly in the era of live television coverage. Hundreds if not thousands of people were killed. The current death total from what has happened in Hong Kong is still in the single digits, all of which - to my knowledge - have been suicides. Not quite the same as an all out military assault on the protesters. We don't know what history will tell us about what's happening in Hong Kong right now or where it could lead to. Do we really want to imagine the worst possible outcome in the context of an Olympics bids forum? Again, maybe let's not hyperbolize these protests as if there's a likelihood it will escalate to the same level as Tiananmen Square.
  25. Exactly. In order for China to not host the 2022 Olympics, 1 of 2 things would have to happen. Either A.) The IOC would have to tell China they are ripping up the host city contract and telling them they are no longer hosting the Games. I think we all know there's virtually zero chance of that happening because I doubt the IOC has a backup plan, nor would they want to follow through with it. Or then it would have to be B.) China decides they can no longer host the Olympics. Again, it's going to take a lot more than some protesters in Hong Kong for them to even consider that. I know it's the nature of this site these days that we're bored because there's not much to talk about, but let's not resort to insane theories involving events we'll probably barely remember come 2022.
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