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Everything posted by Quaker2001

  1. Who is ruling it out and thinks it won't happen? We have no idea what the world will look like 4 or 8 or 12 months from now. It doesn't need to be said, not by Dick Pound or whoever in a forum, that the Olympics might get cancelled. I think we all know that at this point. However, if they don't get cancelled...Tokyo Olympic schedule remains the same, venues lined up
  2. I don't care you're replying to an old comment, but it's missing the point completely to lose the point of reference when that comment is made. Yes, Sapporo said they're interested in bidding. That was before the 2020 Olympics got postponed by a year and will cost Japan a huge sum of money. And it's far from a guarantee that next summer will go off so smoothly. So add all that up together and are we confident Sapporo is going to bid for the 2030 Olympics? Because now it's going to be a year later that they are done with Tokyo and a lot more money spent, so they may have reservations a
  3. You're replying to a post from September. A couple of things have happened with the world since then that perhaps might affect whether or not Sapporo is in the game for 2030.
  4. The 1994 World Cup still holds the record for highest attendance, and that was with only 24 teams before they expanded. So clearly it wasn't that horrendous. Yes, I know the stories about European fans used to travelling by train who found it a little tougher to get around. Did Brazil not have to deal with that? Russia? And I'm pretty sure fans will welcome the North American experience with open arms after dealing with a World Cup held in Qatar. So save the sanctimonious nonsense as if the US-Canada-Mexico bid wasn't an obvious choice for 2026 over Morocco. It'll be an outstanding
  5. This is FIFA we're talking about. Who once chose Qatar over the United States. So yes, it wasn't 100% that Australia/New Zealand would win, even against a less interesting bid
  6. You were saying... Australia & New Zealand Win Vote To Host 2023 FIFA Women’s World Cup
  7. Yea, we're pretty close to that point already. The good thing about 2028 is that - unless something ridiculous happens, and I don't even want to think about that - is that there's no way Trump is the President at that point and someone else will have been in place for at least 3.5 years. I can't offer an outsider's perspective, but I'm guessing we haven't quite reached the "we're as bad as China" point just yet.
  8. Qatar was awarded the 2022 World Cup nearly 10 years ago (December 2010). FIFA has had almost a decade to re-evaluate that choice with all that we've learned in that time. And yet the 2022 World Cup is still scheduled for Qatar. They didn't have the balls to go up against an oil rich Arab nation and tell them "you know what, we changed our minds.. sorry." If they didn't do that in 2013 or 2015 or 2017, why would they do it in 2020? Yes, that World Cup is likely going to be a disaster on a number of levels. But the time to fix that mistake has come and passed. FIFA has to live with t
  9. I've said it many times on here.. a lot of infrastructure projects got spurred on by the 2012 bid that might not have happened otherwise. So there was some value in that effort and what it led to, even though it didn't result in the Olympics coming here
  10. What is a "world class aquatic centre" anyway? Having an Olympic-sized pool and ancillary facilities is something many cities can build, but there's very little use to put thousands of seats in that venue considering how little that would get used. But it's interesting to note this is a thing... Flushing Meadows Natatorium That was going to be the water polo venue for the New York's 2012 Olympic bid. It got built anyway and opened in 2008.
  11. What Stefan said. The IOC isn't always the most forward-thinking organization. Sure, they may votes along lines with the next Olympics in mind, but do you really trust that the IOC will take care of Tokyo solely so they can ensure Sapporo would stay in the running for 2030? This postponement and the ensuing fallout may have but the kibosh on their plans already. The more alarming revelations from this are the implications on future hosts. Potential bidders may need to be increasingly wary of what they're getting themselves into. And yes, the IOC clearly needs be much more open with h
  12. As the article notes.. there wasn't a plan B the first time out. Then they said they would take 4 weeks to come up with a plan B. 1 week later, they announced the postponement. I don't know if another postponement is possible and will be under consideration at any point. But it doesn't seem like it should be completely out of the realm of possible for that to happen just because he's saying so now
  13. Did you take your meds this morning?
  14. Their DNA? What exactly does that even mean? Yes, the IOC has weathered crises before. In the 70s and 80s, their mere existence was under threat, but they managed to steer their way through those rough waters and re-emerge as strong as ever. Remains to be seen if that's going to happen in the upcoming decade. The IOC doesn't exactly have the most stellar reputation around the world these days. The number of cities offering themselves up to host the Olympics has been shrinking for quite some time. Which was why we've seen the IOC re-think their selection process for choosing a ho
  15. Yea, good luck with that. They may have been able to do that before the pandemic. No way it's happening now. The IOC is going to be busy spending the next year salvaging the Tokyo Olympics. After that, only a few months until Beijing. Then maybe they can start focusing on 2032. So we are at the bare minimum 2 years away from naming a host, and who knows what cities might step up before then given the state of the world. Yes, 7 years is no longer the official standard. But do we expect to get a 2030 host much before 2023? Probably not. And we might not see a 2032 host until afte
  16. I still don't get how they're supposed to make this work with the swimming venue. I get that the whole point is to have the warm-up pool nearby, but they're not using Dedeaux Field as much as they're using the space for a temporary structure that's going to take awhile to build and make it difficult to restore the original condition of the field. Yes, that's going to displace USC baseball for at least a year, just like it's probably going to impact the 2028 football season at USC, possibly more depending on how long it takes to construct and then remove the platform. In terms of your co
  17. If Tokyo can't host the Olympics in 2021, are they even going to want another one in the near future? I don't think it would be so automatic to assume they would want the next available Olympics. It's ironic how next Summer worked out because in a normal cycle, they'd be awarding the 2028 Olympics. Thankfully that's already taken care of, so the IOC has to be relieved they don't have to worry about that. When you say "starting to award the Games a bit early," you realize that was a one off, right? That's not the start of a trend that we should expect to continue. Remains to be seen h
  18. Potentially, but I don't know if that's an invitation for Vancouver to waltz in knowing Salt Lake is still out there. They'll need to start getting ready for that sooner rather than later. I don't think they are well served to just drop into the race in mid to late 2021 following a cancelled Olympics. The bigger question is how will the IOC handle that massive slice of humble pie, particularly with an Olympics in China to follow
  19. ANZ STADIUM FAST FACTS $690 million in Australian dollars. Based on exchange rates at the time, that was about $380 US dollars. By comparison, Atlanta's stadium only cost about $209 million. LA's budget - no analysis needed - shows infrastructure spending at over a billion dollars. If that's what you consider "super cheap," then imagine a city like Brisbane that has to build more from scratch because they don't already have the required facilities. Suddenly not so super cheap anymore
  20. Los Angeles has almost no permanent Olympic-related construction planned and the infrastructure budget is still over a billion dollars. I don't think you can necessarily call Sydney "super cheap" when construction of the main stadium alone was over A$700 million, even if it was good to have a new stadium. The problem with the Olympics is that you don't just need facilities, but for those facilities to be able to accommodate large crowds. As Nacre noted, it's one thing to have an Olympic-sized pool. It's another for that venue to be able to hold 10,000-20,000 fans for the 1 time they'll
  21. The way to reduce the number is to evaluate which sports are expandable, both in terms of operational cost and what is required of the host city. Of course, the way the IOC operates which of course is heavy on politics, we get a situation where they vote to save modern pentathlon and eliminate wrestling (thankfully, wiser heads prevailed on that one). We're talking a lot about slalom canoeing. That requires a very specialized venue, so perhaps they need to be on the chopping block. Surfing is obviously all good when we're talking about Tokyo or LA. Paris, not so much. If the IOC is g
  22. Thank you for some good old-fashioned baseless speculation right there. India - with a grand total of 21 athletes sent to the Winter Olympics - is going to take a stand? European countries are going to send a message by.. doing what? And if Trump gets re-elected (G-d help us all), do you really the USOPC or anyone else for that matter will give a $hit if he's pissed at China? The IOC is in bed with China right now. There is ZERO chance either party is willingly backing out of that agreement. Especially given how much damage control they're going to have to do with regard to Japan in
  23. In hindsight, clearly not. The question now is how do they manage the fallout? It's anyone's best guess what the state of the world will look this time next year. At this point, I do trust that Tokyo will do whatever they can to make the Olympics happen, which means instead of trying to suppress the numbers, now that need to look into testing and the development of a vaccine. And yes, the economic fallout of all this would likely be devastating for the city and the country.
  24. What exactly is the IOC supposed to say? Have they said anything about France, speaking of areas hit hard by COVID-19? There's no need for some sort of empty gesture when they have a much more pressing situation to deal with right in front of them. There's only 2 ways the 2026 Olympics don't happen in Italy. Either the IOC takes it away from them (no shot) or Italy hands it back. Do you actually see that happening with a snap of your fingers like that? It's never going to be that simple. The entire world is feeling the effects of what's going on. When we start to hear reports about
  25. We won't know what's up with Sapporo until late next year, and yes, it's very possible they won't want to bid for 2030, especially if things go less than swimmingly for Tokyo. I agree on Vancouver.. they'll likely be the next city in Canada to host another Olympics. I'm still skeptical they'll go after 2030, but it's certainly possible they'll throw their hat in the ring, particularly if Salt Lake is targeting 2034. Still, don't minimize the Olympic Village factor. That's the kind of major urban planning initiative that may determine whether or not there's an appetite to bid in the fir
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