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Everything posted by Quaker2001

  1. And how does that result in a US boycott of the 2022 Olympics? Much like REDWHITEBLUE, you're not really making that connection there
  2. The USA isn't moving towards athletes boycotting. That's not a thing that's happening except in this crazy scenario you're building up in your head. Like I've said saying.. absolutely can see a scenario where politicians and other higher ups refuse to attend. But I don't see them turning that into something where they are deciding for the athletes that they can't make the trip.
  3. No. This is a media-driven world. If a country like the United States boycotts, NBC will have little interest in putting together some sort of rival event on almost no notice. Especially for a Winter event. We won't see something akin to the Goodwill Games
  4. No.. a pretty big leap. Because as you illustrated... Is that really a surprise to you that athletes and NOCs want no part of a boycott? I'm sure if they had their choice, they'd like to go somewhere other than China. But how many want to wait another 4 years for the next Olympics? As history tells us, the state of the world didn't really improve because Western nations largely stayed away from Moscow. In the end, it was only the athletes that got hurt. Calls for boycotts are coming from politicians who are looking to make a name for themselves. They care about the cause mor
  5. Wow, what a huge development. That's a real game changer that a Tasmanian liberal senator is asking Australia to "seriously consider" a boycott of the Winter Olympics. With all due respect to Australia, which has been increasing its medal count at recent Olympics, this is just more politicking and is hardly a serious movement. Yet again, it needs to be said.. it's a big leap from talking about boycotting and actually boycotting.
  6. I love these Grand Canyon-sized disconnects with you. "It could easily be mentioned" is miles and miles away from "I think it's quite likely Trump will commit to a boycott before election day." Again, I agree that it's far from the realm of impossible that Trump could get it in his head to offer a giant "**** you" to China and making a stand to not send athletes there. But you are outside of your mind if you think that has any chance of gaining traction in the 6 1/2 weeks we have until election day
  7. And now you're just trolling. There's zero chance of that happening and you know it. On what planet could you possibly think that Trump will spend more than 4 seconds thinking and the 2022 Olympics before Election Day?
  8. This isn't 1936 where we're hoping Jesse Owens will stick it to Hitler and the Nazis and ruin his vision of Aryan supremacy. No athlete or team at the Olympics could resonate in that manner or what the 1980 U.S. hockey team did. Also.. Trump wouldn't accept the hand-off. That honor belongs to the mayor of LA to do that. Trump might want to be in France so he can get some attention, but that doesn't mean he'll play a part in that ceremony, especially since he won't be in office come 2028. Sure, Trump is all about showmanship, but Trump is also about Trump. So how's that going to
  9. Again, it is a major jump to take for a politician to express their views on China and to actively campaign against them. The former is easy. The latter is not.
  10. There's a pretty massive jump from "have a view" to "publicly pushing for boycotts." Don't make the assumption that those handful of politicians with a negative view of China will choose to use their political capital to outspokenly try to persuade the IOC to boycott. Let alone that they'll be listened to by the authorities that actually matter and can influence the actual decision rather than just make noise about it
  11. Most politicians will have the good sense not to get involved. 99% of them won't have an opinion on whether or not to boycott. You need to get off this assumption that this is going to be a main priority for them and that somehow a large groundswell of people will tell the USOPC to boycott. Again, if it's Trump in the White House, we know a lot of his constituents will follow his lead. But even then, "the United States hates China" is not enough to lead to a boycott. Especially since the USOPC, unlike almost every other country's NOC, is not funded by the government. Easier for something
  12. Meh. If Tokyo gets goes, that's more a credit to Tokyo than it is to the IOC. What happens with Beijing will probably reflect more on the IOC since they chose China as the host (which is largely their fault in the first place for scaring off other prospective hosts) and how everyone handles increasing political tensions. Either way, the next 3 hosts area already locked in and they're all more traditional Western nations without a lot of question marks. Yes, they'll survive. They have a reserve of cash on hand, so they'll be able to weather that storm and it's largely Japan that wil
  13. Japan has spent over ¥1 trillion on Tokyo Olympics and Paralympics so far, audit reveals By the end of 2018, not 2019. About one quarter of the total sum spent came in 2018, so we can assume they spent a lot more in 2019. I figure by the time the pandemic hit, they had to have spent at least $15 billion if the number kept ramping up. So it's a much higher percentage of the total in the budget. Yes, as I put it, that's a lot of money to spend with nothing in return, so that's probably a risk they need to take to keep pushing forward rather than to throw in the towel. Again, look a
  14. Don't agree with that. It's not as much of a sunk cost fallacy as you probably want to think. How much money has already been spent to stage the games? Let's say hypothetically that security costs for the Olympics are $1 billion. That's not all operating costs for the games themselves. A lot of that money likely has already been spent. So Japan wouldn't be saving $1 billion on security costs if the games were cancelled. The actual savings would be much less than that. That goes for a lot of other areas that were specific to games operations since the postponement didn't occur until Mar
  15. There's another "if" right there. Yes, it's possible that a number of major nations might have something to say with regards to an Olympics in China. But again, let's pump the brakes on them losing the likes of all those nations just because a few politicians are hinting that it may happen.
  16. Has there been any hint whatsoever that Italy is considering pulling out of 2026 because they need to save money? Or is that a theory you completely pulled out of your ass to pose as a hypothetical. Yes, Denver pulled out of 1976. What's your point? There's a pretty detailed backstory behind that decision and how it went down. Folks here tend to forget that and just bring it up as a thing that happened. No context. Just "hey, this thing happened 50 years ago, so let's use that as an excuse to push a dumb idea I have that it could happen here" If you have any articles or stories
  17. Dude.. stop with this nonsense. How or why would Italy pull out of hosting? Do you understand how these contracts with the host cities work? I don't think you do. No, the IOC will not go bankrupt. They have more protections against a cancellation than host city does. A lot of the language allows the IOC to blame Tokyo and Japan on the failure to deliver an Olympics, even though we all know it's the fault of the pandemic. The IOC will obviouisly take a huge financial hit, but it's not likely to result in bankruptcy.
  18. Gee, can't tell you how shocking it is to see a site called Macau Business would highlight an anti-China letter sent to the IOC. Allow me to express just how stunned I am at that development. And how little the IOC is likely to care, because they're the IOC.
  19. If Japanese people want to see the Olympics cancelled at this point, I'm sure it's more about the virus than it is about economic concerns. The problem is that the country will have spent all this time and money and then won't see the windfall of having the Olympics actually held. That's not saving money.. at this point, there's more money to make than there is to spend and otherwise it's for nothing. So yes, of course politicians will be interested in pushing forward or else what was all the effort for these past 7 year? And really much longer than that considering Tokyo had originally go
  20. Ask that question next February when hopefully he's no longer president. But if he is, despite the fact the very large headline on this article is "Conspiracy theorists alert!," it offers a mention of Trump at the bottom how it could happen. Again though, if Trump has any business interests tied to the USOPC or to LA2028, tread carefully if he uses 2022 as some sort of forum to make a stand against China. 100% I could see him doing that without the foresight of how that would affect things down the line.
  21. Hosting an Olympics is expensive. Hosting an excellent Olympics is even more expensive. So you can't fault cities for being less than enthausiastic at the prospect of spending billions of dollars on an Olympics, particularly given the state of the world right now. And that is much more apparent in Japan where they're spending a ton of money to keep the Tokyo Olympics alive, and it seems like less than a given at this point those Olympics will go forward next summer. Let's also throw 1 thought out the window here. No one cares what China and Russia spent on the Olympics as a barometer
  22. I said businessman.. would never imply he was good at it. That goes back to my whole point through this.. if the United States is making a political stand, what exactly is that stand? If they're not clear about that, it'll be an empty gesture
  23. Trump thinks about Trump and not much else. No.. he's gonna do whatever he wants, no matter what the reprecussions are (unless of course they affect Trump). But he is first and foremost a businessman, so you can be darn sure someone will be in his ear telling him what might happen with 2028. And if he has any business interests there, he's not necessarily going to be so dumb as to hurt his own bottom line. So yea, the IOC doesn't want another cold war. Don't exactly have much recourse now that they handed another Olympics to China. Not sure what they can do at this point since - and
  24. Was Korea a mistake then? Certainly not a traditional Winter sports nation, but aside from what they spent to make it happen, hard to find too many flaws in their nation's policies like we're scrutinizing with China. 2 important things to remember that we all know, but it bears repeating... 1) The alternative to China was Kazakhstan. A lesser known Central Asian nation that doesn't exactly have the best political track record of their own. It's not like Beijing beat out an Oslo or a Stockholm or a Munich in an effort to chase the big bucks. 2) The final vote tally was 44-40. Tha
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