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  1. 7 hours ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

    I think it's quite likely.

    If you say so.  I think that notion is so ingrained in your head, you assume it'll happen without any real evidence.  Just generic hearsay and conjecture.

    It's possible that it might happen, but it's going to take a lot more than someone simply saying the word "boycott" to make it so.

  2. 57 minutes ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

    Plenty of people do think he will as it be a perfect issue for Trump TV  to then attack Biden for.

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    Who is "plenty of people" that think that?  Are they the same people that still think Trump won the election?

    And I can assure you that Joe Biden is going to get negative fucks about Trump TV and anything that gets said by them.  They're undoubtedly going to find 1,000 things to criticize Biden about.  The United States' participation in the 2022 Olympics is going to be really far down that list.

    I'll say it again.. for crying out loud, please stop pretending like there's more than a tiny handful of people that care about this as much as you want to think they do.

  3. 19 minutes ago, mountainboarder_530@yahoo. said:

    Trump's executive orders will carry about as much weight as a gnat's butthole after the election.  Trump can attack them, it wont mean anything when hes behind bars.  In two and a half months, the day he steps out of office, New York is going to extradite and charge him for a bunch of stuff they have on deck.  Hes going to be much more occupied with trying to stay out of jail than attacking biden.  Trump will be 1000 percent irrelevant very shortly, at least until 2024.  By which, obviously, Beijing will be over by then.  

    There is a more than reasonable possibility Beijing could be boycotted, but not with anything to do with the orange orangutan.  

    I still have doubts that there will be larger organized boycotts on the level of what we saw in the 1970s and 1980s.  Individuals may make those decisions, but I don't see a scenario where an entire country says "we refuse to send our athletes to Beijing."  It's possible, but I don't see what the goal of that is intended to accomplish as if anything will result from it

  4. 2 hours ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

    A lot of people expect Trump to sign lots of crazy orders in early January that he can forever attack Biden rescinding them Once January 20th comes.

    Do you honestly think at this point in time that Donald Trump gives 2 craps about the 2022 Olympics?  That he will make any sort of executive order affecting the USA's participation?  

    If he had won the election, then yea, this could have been a thing at some point.  But you need to move away from this idea that anything is going to happen 15 months away from the Olympics.  Next summer after Tokyo, then there will be more focus on China.  Not until then

  5. 5 hours ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

    http://www.businessworld.in/article/Trump-signs-order-banning-Americans-from-investing-in-companies-that-support-Chinese-military-/13-11-2020-342251/

    If Trump signs a pro boycott order I cant see Biden rescinding it due to the popularity of being tough on China.

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    My goodness, man.. get off Pavlovian streak of yours when you get excited anytime you see the slightest hint of what could look like a boycott.

    You do realize that Trump is about to no longer be president, right?  Short of one of the biggest political coups ever, Joe Biden is about to be POTUS.  He doesn't need to take a stand on China to help get elected.  The vote already happened.

    And what is a "pro boycott order" anyway?  Do you think with all that's going on right now that either Trump (likely not going to be the president in 2022) or Biden is thinking about the Olympics at this point?  Just because you're making all these posts to fill 9 pages worth of a thread does not mean they're pushing to make these decisions now.  You need to get it in your head that just because this is a hot topic for you now doesn't mean government officials are going to make decisions *now* for an event that is still 15 months away and also happens to have another Olympics in front of it.

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  6. On 11/7/2020 at 5:02 AM, StefanMUC said:

    Revisited: Half alive, half dead, I‘d say. But let‘s see the glass as half full for now and look forward optimistically.
     

    But to keep it relevant to the thread topic, I doubt the election has any effect on Beijing 2022, which will go ahead regardless, cost what it may.

    I'm not celebrating yet, but there is definitely some optimism on the horizon that wasn't as clear a week ago.

    And yes, as for the 2022 Olympics.. much less concern there will be any intervention on the part of the government now that we are going to have Biden instead of Trump.  Can't really see him getting involved here trying to use the Olympics as a statement on China.

  7. 15 hours ago, olympikfan said:

    I agree with you  RWB  the world will see it as pay back for the Covid 19. Why reward China when they  screwed the world.

    Dude, you need to stop it with the "reward" narrative.  We all know China unleashed this plague on the world.  They already have the Olympics.  That "reward" is NOT going to be taken away from them.  Because the only people that can take that away from them is the IOC.  And there is ZERO chance they do that.  Because if they do, there will be no Winter Olympics in 2022.  And that's not an option. 

    It is too late to move the 2022 Olympics, in spite of what the thread title says.  Will some athletes decide to make the decision not to support China and refuse to travel and compete there?  I'm sure they will.  But that will be a very tiny and insignificant number of people.  Olympians will not give up what's potentially a once in a lifetime dream to compete in the Olympics over political views.  Ask every athlete that missed out on Moscow in 1980 how that worked out for them

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  8. On 11/5/2020 at 6:33 AM, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

    The UK Parliament might vote to order Disney to be summoned to explain it's involvement in China.

     

    Don't underestimate how popular a boycott of 2022 will be in most countries - only athletes might be willing to publicly oppose come this time next year.

    Don't overestimate how popular a boycott of 2022 will be in most countries.  Let alone a year from not when who knows where we are in the pandemic (or other socio-political matters), let alone how people feel about China.

    This is the textbook definition of putting the cart before the horse.  You think a vocal minority (and they're very much a minority) will push for a boycott and it's on the NOC's and the athletes to oppose it.  That's not how this is going to go down.  I don't believe when it comes down to it that government leaders will impose their will and think they're making some sort of grandiose statement when it's not going to accomplish anything.  Nor will the narrative be that any athlete attending the Olympics is somehow supportive of China's regime and all that comes with it.  I can see in a forum like this how someone might think that.  I don't think it's going to actually play out that way just because you found a couple of articles with people saying they want it to happen.

  9. On 10/25/2020 at 5:23 PM, mountainboarder_530@yahoo. said:

    They do, I do not question that.  First its about getting Tokyo over the finish line next year, but the IOC's every other sentence to the Japanese Olympic Committee should be Sapporo, Sapporo, Sapporo, Sapporo.  "you guys are doing great here in Tokyo, we'd love you to do the same with Sapporo", just to the point of it being overwhelming.  

    I don't think it's a matter of praise.  The Japanese don't seem like the kind of people that would be influenced by that.  The IOC needs to make sure it will be financially viable.  And that's where they may or may not be helping out Tokyo as much as they need to.  So it's more like "the IOC's every other sentence to the Japanese Olympic Committee should be that they will make sure a Sapporo Olympics is not a financial burden because of the IOC."  That's the reassurance they need to offer right now if they want Sapporo to play ball with that

  10. 21 hours ago, Nacre said:

    The Tokyo Tatsumi International Swimming Center only seats 3,600 people. That's why they had to build something new.

    It's easy to say that they should use smaller venues. But there's a 100% chance that the same media people criticizing them for building large venues would also criticize them if they used a smaller venue and there were no seats for the media, athletes, athletes family, volunteers and fans from the host country.

    Just to clarify.. I was sharing the tweet more in the "look of the games" mode rather than to offer up commentary on how or why it got built.  There's another tweet in response that makes it clear it was absolutely Japan's decision to build the venue, not something they were forced into or to criticize that decision

  11. On 10/15/2020 at 8:17 PM, Ikarus360 said:

    Spain is one of the EU countries which managed COVID the worst, and their government is a Tower of Babel right now, constantly quarreling between each other, a PM who made pacts with every kind of crazy political party just so he could be elected, and the leadership of PODEMOS who are basically turning the country into a Banan Republic.

    Trust me, hosting the Olympics in Spain right now is the worst idea you can have. Spain is going to have an economic crisis soon which will make the early 2010s one look very tame in comparison.

    They're not trying to host the Olympics in Spain right now.  They're looking at a decade from now, when (hopefully) COVID is a distant memory.  Economic troubles are nothing new for Spain, as we learned with their Madrid 2020 bid.  I agree I don't think this is a great idea, but like the story noted, they're at the point where they need government approval, so good luck on that one because it seems like the government could and probably should shoot them down.

  12. 4 hours ago, olympikfan said:

    But outside of Humans rights. At this point in the world, Tokyo 2020 might get cancel. so why reward China for lying costing over a million lives lost. And costing the world economy trillion of dollars. Australia  wants an international inquiry on Cobid-19 and China is not cooperating with the world.

    At this point in the world, Tokyo might *not* get cancelled.  Either way, it will have no bearing on what happens with 2022.

    China was "rewarded" with the hosting rights to the 2022 Olympics more than 5 years ago.  There are signed contracts between China and the IOC where neither side can back out on a whim.  Despite what you have as the title of the thread, it is way too late to move the 2022 Olympics from China.  So the IOC has 2 choices.. hold the 2022 Winter Games in Beijing as scheduled.  Or cancel them entirely.  Do you think for a split second the IOC will consider doing that?  Zero chance that happens and I think you know that.  Let countries or athletes boycott if they want to make a stand.  The "but human rights" argument is not going to make the IOC change their minds.

  13. 2 hours ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

    https://ipolitics.ca/2020/10/08/boycotting-the-2022-winter-games-should-be-one-way-canada-sticks-it-to-china/

    Athletes saying they will go no matter what  might end up being seen as being pro Regime.

    That'll be interesting.  So we'll go from "athletes shouldn't make political statements" to "every athlete is making a political statement."

    Hopefully most people aren't that vapid to think that any athlete who wants to compete in the Olympics is supporting China.  Again, tell that to every athlete who missed out on the 1980 Olympics and never got another shot

  14. On 10/10/2020 at 12:07 PM, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

    But in the UK the funding means if the government wants a boycott funding for athletes might end.

    And how exactly would that work?  Is the UK going to stop funding Summer athletes too?  Because that's going to be a terrible optic to fund athletes for Tokyo and then not fund athletes for Beijing 6 months later.  Even if there's a pretty obvious political motive behind it, the messaging is likely going to get lost and in the end, the only thing that will have been accomplished is that Great Britain will have stolen what could be some athletes' only shot at the Olympics

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  15. 11 hours ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

    Have you noticed the common thread running through a lot of these articles?  Politicians want boycotts.  But they don't seem too eager to impose that upon the athletes.  In other words.. exactly what I've been saying this while time.

    Will the Australian Olympic Committee or the British Olympics Committee or whoever else tell their Olympics they're not going to compete?  Because it remains a question whether or not the threat of withholding funding would even be on the table.

    To say it yet again.. I'll believe it when I see it

     

  16. 10 minutes ago, StefanMUC said:

    In reality, the biggest enemy of the US is the US. Or rather that part of the country still hanging by 250 year old rules totally unfit for the 21st century.

    Let's revisit that one a month from now and hope and pray that there is hope for the future and not that the American dream can officially be dead and buried

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  17. 18 minutes ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

    The USA now sees China has the biggest enemy.

    Once again for those in the nosebleed seats.. this is not 1980.  This is not the cold war.  China as the United States' biggest enemy in 2020 is a completely different situation than the Soviet Union as the United States' biggest enemy in 1980.

    I'm losing track of how many times this needs to be said to you... none of this implies there will be a boycott of the 2022 Olympics.  You keep wanting to jump over that step and you need to stop doing that

  18. 5 hours ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

    It happened in 1980 - why are you so confident it's not going to happen again.

    Because this isn't 1980.  That was the height of the Cold War.  The Soviet Union was our sworn enemy.  And because this is how history looks back on what happened.. Jimmy Carter’s Disastrous Olympic Boycott

    Folks on this site have a habit of saying "there's this thing that happened, so I think it can happen again" while losing any and all context.  You can't over-simplify this all to say there was a boycott in 1980, so that's why I think there will be a boycott in 2022.

    What exactly did the 1980 boycott achieve?  Other than a whole lot of nothing.  The lasting effects where that it hurt a generation of American athletes, many of whom probably still hold a grudge 4 decades later.

    More than all that.. it was the President of the United States that spearheaded that movement.  Not 2 senators who had an idea that they tried to push out into the open.  I know there's a prevailing theory that we're angry at China right now and need to expose their human rights violations.  Will a boycott accomplish that?  Do you think China will feel any effects of not having American athletes in Beijing in 2022 to the point where they'll change their ways?

    I'm sure there will continue to be politicians and probably more than a couple of athletes who speak out against China.  And can choose to not attend.  But that's much different than an organized effort to take that choice away from them.  And remember.. those "plenty" of senators are not talking about a boycott.  They're asking the Olympics to be moved out of China.  Which is an extremely futile effort because there is zero chance of the IOC entertaining that.  Especially not now when they're still dealing with another Olympics for the next 10 months.

  19. 10 hours ago, REDWHITEBLUE24 said:

    Plenty of senators have called for the IOC to remove it from China - you think those people wont then try and get an athlete boycot happening.

    2 senators out of 100 is not "plenty."  No, I don't think those people will then try and get an athlete boycott happening.  It's one thing for a politician to feel strongly about something and work to make it happen.  It's another thing entirely for that same politician to force that on somebody else and basically say "I hate China, therefore I demand that you athletes not go there."

    Good luck with that.  

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