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  1. NBC says it has topped $1 billion in national ad sales for 2020 Summer Olympics

    Notable in this is that there are a lot of new advertisers in the mix, which hopefully means we won't see the same 3 commercials from Coca Cola over and over and over again.

    Also notable and I believe we saw this from the 2018 Olympics.. NBC's ratings guarantees will be based on TAD numbers (Total Audience Delivery) rather than just using the primetime TV numbers.  Which is probably (hopefully) good news in terms of programming and scheduling.


  2. 11 hours ago, Hightowerio86 said:

    with this new change to the parade I wonder if NBC will finally broadcast the ceremonies live or they broadcast it live NBCSN and do a primetime replay on NBC just like the Canadians do on CBC

    I doubt it makes a difference.  Presumably, it will be the same formula as PyeongChang.. they'll stream the ceremony live, no live TV broadcast.  And it'll be in primetime as usual on NBC.  And I am perfectly fine with that


  3. 3 hours ago, anthonyliberatori said:

    Great change. Three huge television markets all the through the end. Not sure where the USA and France would've been if it had stuck with the Japanese alphabet but this is a change I can get behind. Hopefully it follows through to Beijing as well, with Italy before China at the end.

    According to Wikipedia, for the 1998 Opening Ceremony in Nagano, they used the English alphabet to determine the order.  Not sure what they are planning on doing this time around.


  4. Interesting revelation about the Opening Ceremony for Tokyo..

    Olympic Opening Ceremony Parade of Nations order changed slightly

    The refugee team will enter 2nd, right after Greece (as opposed to Rio where they were 2nd to last, before Brazil).  And future hosts will be moved to the end of the order.  That's a huge win for NBC.  Remember they had lobbied to get the order changed in 2016 so that the United States would march later and theoretically would keep people tuned in longer


  5. 19 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said:

    With NBC's current $7.75 BILLION-dollar contract ending with 2032 (which it looks like will be in the East Asian/East Oz time zone; might locking in the 2030 and 2034 WOG sites simultaneously provide for a $10 billion contract?  Or is that huge contract now a thing of the past since prime-time live broadcast isn't the only platform anymore??  

    Those last 2 things aren't necessarily related.  NBC seems to be looking good in terms of sales for Tokyo despite the fact they're slowing moving away from putting everything into primetime.  So the length of the contract isn't necessarily tied to NBC's ability to generate revenue from primetime.

    The extension NBC got was a gift from the IOC.  Basically a "thank you" for what probably was an over-pay on the 2014-2020 package.  Tough to tell what the Olympics will be worth a decade from now.  I don't think we can expect a contract of that length based on that reason.  Especially if there's open bidding because at that point, I doubt anyone is looking for a package of 6 Olympics.  4 maybe, but that's likely the max.

    That all said.. don't think it necessarily has a bearing on the host selection.  A little bit of certainty will be nice, but we're a ways off from when that will come into play.  

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  6. 23 hours ago, yoshi said:

    By putting Oslo against SLC, you raise the question of whether the WOGs have now grown so much that Norway as a whole is now too small to host...even if you have a city that’s suitable, do you now really need to have the funding & support base of a major country - a US, France etc - to pull it off? Might go a way to explaining why the IOC did 2026 - they weren’t picking Milan over Stockholm, but Italy over Sweden. 

    Even if we're making this about the countries, they didn't pick Italy over Sweden because it's the larger country, but more because they had stronger support for their Olympic bid efforts.  Yes, those can often go hand in hand, but what scared off Oslo for 2022 wasn't the size and scope of an Olympics relative to the size of the country but rather a 7,000 page list of demands that they would have to follow.

    I think we'll see some sort of bid from Norway eventually.  They'll figure out a way to put a plan together that the country can get behind, but a lot of that is based on the IOC's attitude and are they in fact more willing to work with a country like Norway to make an Olympics more feasible for them.


  7. 23 hours ago, anthonyliberatori said:

    Oh the concern isn't attraction, the USA tried for Olympics like 2012 in New York and 2016 in Chicago and just didn't get them. But all I'm saying is the long length may finally be coming to a close, which is good, because anyone born 1992 and later (like me) likely has no recollection of a Team-USA-At-Home world event. I wonder if the lack of the ability to space out hosting events has to do with American culture. Back in the 80s with the Cold War, the USA was in cultural competition with the USSr and working to maintain its cultural dominance. I wonder if the USA wanting to go back to hosting all of these events could have something to do with us feeling the need to defend our global image in some regard. It's fair to say that the IOC just wanted a break from the USA, and they're just now coming back to it, or that the IOC is in financial trouble and needs an economically viable Olympics to save its image and it trusts the USA the most to do that, but I wonder if 2026-2028-2030 could have some sort of cultural ties to them.

    You are reading way too much into this.  This is all a matter of circumstance and coincidence than any sort of effort to have history play out like this.  When you say "the USA wanting to go back to hosting".. no, the USA has always wanted to host these events.  They put in a bid for literally every Summer Olympics between 1944 and 1984.  Took a break after that and bid for 1996, which of course they won.  Took another break and bid for 2012.  There has always been a "want," but the IOC doesn't always want to come here.  Don't just look at the times the United States has hosted these events as the only times they have *wanted* to host these events.  When I used the word "attraction," it's not about the United States and various cities being interested so much as the country's ability to actually bring those events here.  And obviously that's going to be based on recent history where if they have hosted an Olympics or a World Cup in recent memory, they shouldn't expect to see another one for a while.

    In that regard, 1996 is a big exception, but look at what has been discussed here as the "what if Atlanta doesn't get 1996" alternate history.  Maybe Salt Lake gets the `98 Olympics then.  Maybe New York is properly timed to get either 2008 or 2012.  Now all of a sudden these events are all much more spaced out.  Either way, especially when looking at the Olympics and the World Cup, 1 has absolutely nothing to do with the other.  The Winter Olympics and Summer Olympics are certainly tied together.

    In short.. how history has played out (and will play out) has absolutely nothing to do with American culture or global image or anything like that.  All a matter of timing and it just happened to work out that 2026 and 2028 will see a World Cup and an Olympics here, with another Olympics probably not too far behind.


  8. 1 hour ago, anthonyliberatori said:

    Now that you mention it, I kind of like the idea of Lyon as well. It was a great host city for the 2019 WWC Semi Finals and Final, so it would be great to see the city host the ceremonies and indoor events, with the alpine events further out from the city. But I'm gonna have to go with SLC or even Denver for 2030 - least problematic, could rake in loads of money, and the IOC may not want to lean Central Europe after immediately doing that.

    The USOC has already chosen Salt Lake over Denver should they decide to pursue a 2030 bid.  That decision has been made.

    1 hour ago, anthonyliberatori said:

    Wonder if at any point someone will step up and say that a 2026 World Cup, 2028 Summer Olympics, and 2030 Winter Olympics is too much for the USA. I feel like it won't happen, because the USA hasn't played host to a major world tournament since the 2003 Women's World Cup, so an entire generation hasn't been able to cheer on Team USA at home, but 2028/30 are far from now - who knows what the political and social situation of the USA will be.

    The LA2028 folks may say that only because they're concerned about another event cutting into their sponsorship money.  Logistically, the United States will have absolutely no problems hosting all 3 in that span.  It just may not be as lucrative as it might be if it was spread out.

    As for the "entire generation" part.. in a 22 year span, the United States hosted 4 Olympics and a World Cup.  And here we are again where it may be 2 Olympics and a World Cup in less than 4 years.  So it's not as though the United States hasn't been able to attract these events.  They're not just well spread out.

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  9. On 10/11/2019 at 4:01 PM, Booville said:

    For Lillehammer to add those additional sports would be minimal ... Kanthaugen hosted freestyle skiing and half-pipe, and Hafjell the slopestyle in 2016, the curling already has a purpose built arena and there is likely to be enough capacity to host additional women's hockey games

    A games encompassing the true spirit of the games vs a games forever tainted by bribery ... clearly an easy call

    On 10/11/2019 at 4:14 PM, Booville said:

    and of course in 1998, SLC almost went out in R1 and had to win a run off with Aosta

    After that, the assistance of a few brown envelopes aided the closeness with Nagano

    They learnt their lesson in 2002 ... bigger brown envelopes from the start

    Ahh yes, this old tired narrative again.

    No.. the 2002 Olympics were not tainted by bribery.  The bid was.  But I was there in Salt Lake the entire month of February.  The Games went off without a hitch and the IOC would be overjoyed to head back there with all the American sponsorship dollars that came along with it.  No one cared at that point how Salt Lake got the Olympics because they were a more than deserving and worthy candidate.  That Salt Lake struggled for votes for 1998.. again, perhaps that had something to do with the fact that vote came less than a year after Atlanta had won for 1996 and the IOC wasn't chomping at the bit to return there.  And when they won 2002, is it maybe just possible that they won because they actually had the best bid?  Regardless of what steps they went to in order to ensure a win.

    As for Lillehammer.. yes, they hosted an extraordinarily memorable Olympics back in 1994.  But this is 2030 we're talking about.  There could be close to double the number of athletes and double the number of events there were last time.  1994 didn't have 3 disciplines of curling and 2 full hockey tournaments to manage.  That's why it was Oslo's bid in 2022, with Lillehammer as the secondary city.  It needs to be that way again.  And I feel very confident that if the IOC has to choose between Salt Lake and Lillehammer, then Salt Lake is going to win that one.


  10. 8 hours ago, mrva said:

    Does anyone have the Nagano opening ceremony? I've been searching for that for a while.

    I have quite an extensive collection; opening ceremonies from 1960 onwards, 40-ish hours of live TV coverage for Rome '60, over 60 hours of TV coverage for Grenoble '68, etc.

    I do.  I saw your post in another thread about old Olympic recordings that I keep meaning to reply back to.  I saw the link to your site.  Assuming the e-mail address is still good there, I'll send you a message and hopefully we can work something out


  11. 6 hours ago, AlVictor said:

    Hi,

    I'm a collector and I'm looking for winter sports recordings, especially from ski jumping and nordic combined. I have a very big collection with videos related to these sport disciplines. I'm looking for ski jumping and nordic combined events from Winter Olympics 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1994, 1998, 2002 and 2006. I have very good quality recordings from Innsbruck 1964, Lake Placid 1984 or Sarajevo 1984 from ski jumping events (full competitions). I have hundreds of full ski jumping and nordic combined events to send in exchange.

    Is there anyone who can help me in order to fill the gaps in my collection?

    Thanks,

    Victor

    I think I can probably help you out.  Send me a personal message so we can chat over e-mail.  I have a very extensive collection of the Olympics from 1992 and on.

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  12. On 9/15/2019 at 12:16 PM, anthonyliberatori said:

    Great choice. Hopefully the increased train service to Cortina become a regular thing so Italy can capitalize on the skiing business during the season for years to come. That makes it very easy for tourists to fly into MXP, a major airport, and then take the train right to Cortina. Ensures longevity with tourism.

     

    Ultimately, this was the right choice. Stockholm/Are/Latvia was not in favor of the people and opened up a marketing nightmare we all know the IOC did not want to have to deal with if they didn't have to. Milan/Cortina's "two cluster" approach is very similar to those of Vancouver, Sochi and Pyeongchang, which I personally think is an good way to utilize existing infrastructure from an urban area, develop a smaller winter resort town nearby, and hope a tourism business sticks. Also, the support in Italy is immense, and the proximity to nearby countries ensures full venues for events like speed skating (the dutch), curling (the swedes), downhill skiing (Germans, Austrians, French, and the Italians themselves), and Ice Hockey (Germans, Swedes, Finns, and even the Italians since it's growing so much). Really a win to get back to the Alps and as long as all goes well, we should see cities like Calgary, Sapporo, and even Salt Lake coming back eager to host - which would make the IOC elated.

    What stryker said.  What exactly about Milan/Cortina getting the 2026 Olympics is going to change anything for other prospective candidates?  Especially considering they won't actually be hosting for another 6 1/2 years.  Plus, look at the cities you listed.  Salt Lake is already as eager as could be.  They would have bid for 2026 if they could have and they'll 100% go for 2030 if the USOC gives them the green light (easier said than done due to LA 2028).  Sapporo will likely get in line right behind them.  Calgary?  Their 2026 bid effort was an absolute disaster.  I don't think we'll see them again for awhile.  Why would Milan/Cortina change anything for them?

    You mentioned a key point.. Italy has support.  That may or may not translate over to other cities and countries.  This is not LA in 1984 where several previous hosts were plagued by political and financial issues.  The problem these days isn't with the hosts, it's with the IOC.  Italy is taking a leap of faith.  Sweden was going to although it may have been a somewhat half-hearted effort.  The IOC is in a good position that potentially Salt Lake and Sapporo are there for the next 2 cycles which give them 2 potentially low risk hosts.  Who else out there is willing to take that chance is the question


  13. On 9/21/2019 at 6:54 PM, yoshi said:

    Having been there now, I would’ve thought that if a bid with Milan & Cortina together is ok for the IOC, then Austria could actually have a bid with indoor events in Vienna & skiing in the main alpine areas around Salzburg & Innsbruck. Before the 2026 process, it probably wouldn’t have been plausible but now that they seem fine with Winter Games held at opposite ends of a country, stuff like that could be possible - & I can’t imagine they’d struggle to find a market for a new arena or 2, plus a few thousand flats in Vienna. 

    The question still needs to be less "is it possible" and more "is it practical."  We'll see if any other European cities/countries take a page from Milan/Cortina and suggest something more spread out.  That we have this once doesn't mean the IOC is suddenly fine with these things.  It's all a matter of comparison.  To say nothing of the fact they would need to propose it first and they might not do that in the first place unless there's a sensible plan behind it.


  14. On 9/21/2019 at 8:54 AM, Booville said:

    I think those people saying that 2030 is SLCs to lose are being over confident. 

    After all, it will be only 2years since LA2028, and I cannot ever recall two games (Summer & Winter) being held in the same country in such close proximity of time. With Sapporo it will be 10years since Tokyo2020 though the appetite for these games might diminish if the costs of Tokyo are to be believed.

    The romantic attachment (if this is to be believed) that the IOC have for Lillehammer will make them a very strong contender maybe without some of the issues that SLC and Sapporo might have. Sapporo will have a lot of work to do to build some of the venues required or expand the footprint of the games to include some of Nagano's facilities such as the bobsleigh run.

    SLC vs Lillehammer makes an interesting comparison. Unless there is a plan to replace the Vivint Smart Home Arena, the Committee would need to significantly increase the size of the Peaks Ice Arena (2,300 seats) and/or the Ice Sheet at Ogden (2,000 seats) to get to the minimum arena capacity standards though a temporary option could be built. Otherwise, SLC is good to go. For Lillehammer, a similar situation exists with a single larger arena required to meet the IOC's standard if the Hamar Olympic Arena cannot be expanded, and Pyeonchang has already shown the way with a large temporary solution for the ceremonies.

    I would also not rule out a bid from a central European country like Austria with a combined Salzburg-Innsbruck being offered. Again, whilst the more challenging to justify facilities exist - jumping hills, bobsleigh run - the lack of suitably sized arenas is a problem, though two largish cities could justify a conference facility (speed skating) and a larger sized arena, if not creatively using one of their football stadiums as a temporary solution

    When Nagano won the 1998 Olympics, Salt Lake was 2nd in the voting behind them and only lost by a handful of votes.  All it would have taken was 3 voters to flip and Salt Lake would have hosted less than 2 years after Atlanta.  So it almost happened once.  No reason to think it couldn't happen again.

    I don't think it's over-confidence to say 2030 is SLC's to lose.  If they bid, there's a pretty good chance they'd win.  Who would beat them?  The IOC isn't in a position to be romantic.  If they were, they would have taken a chance on Stockholm.

    SLC versus Lillehammer is no contest.  Lillehammer hosted an Olympics without women's hockey, without curling, and without freestyle skiing or snowboarding.  SLC in 2002 had all of those things.  So if it's those 2 against each other, SLC will likely win that contest easily.


  15. 3 hours ago, stryker said:

    France is capable of hosting a WOGs on its own but there'd have to be an anchor city like Lyon, Marseille, or Nice. Switzerland is in the same boat, but much like Austria, it would have to be a country-wide bid. In terms of joint bids, the new rules could finally open up a Helsinki bid with maybe Are in Sweden for the alpine events (anyone remember their 2006 joint bid with Lillehammer?) While a joint bid might be viable, it's hard to see it winning in 2030 against a compact and moderately cost bid from Salt Lake or Sapporo.

    While we're on the subject, while Calgary crashed out of the 2026 race and the sliding track in WinSport at risk of closure, maybe Vancouver gives it another go the next time Canada wants a WOGs though I doubt for 2030.

    They have to know they have virtually no shot up against SLC.  Probably not worth the fight.  Hold off and then maybe try again a few years down the line.


  16. 22 hours ago, Olympianfan said:

    I wonder if Thomas Bach is in talks with the Mayor of Munich in getting a bid from Munich Germany to host the 2030 Winter Games as a nice legacy from his years of being the IOC President to Germany, The 2032 Summer Games is very likely to go to Asia either Shanghai China or Jakarta Indonesia.

    With Milan Italy having the 2026 Winter Games could bod well for a Munich Germany 2030 bid Things could cool down and could go down well if they have venues in Garmish-Partenkirchen and in Innsbruck Austria if they want to save the cost in building venues and let's hope in a few years time the anti Olympic movement cools down in Europe let's hope for a great outcome from the Tokyo Japan 2020 Summer Games.

    Milan - Cortina Italy 2026

    Munich Germany - Innsbruck 2030

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    Why would you wonder something like that other than a desire to make up random ****?  I doubt Bach is going to give a wink wink nudge nudge to Munich to try and get them back in the fray as if he needs that for his legacy.  Even then, what about Milan hosting 2026 helps Munich for a potential 2030 bid?  Because 1 spread out bid won a vote (against another spread out bid), suddenly Munich/Garmish/Innsbruck is going to be a thing?  Good like trying to beat Salt Lake City with that one


  17. 14 hours ago, thatsnotmypuppy said:

    Gosh - I wish they double awarded 2026/30 now lol.

    Anyhow. So let's start #SLC30 right here and now.

    There was a certain "other" poster here that was rooting hard for that, if nothing else just to rub it in my face that I said it wouldn't happen.  Thus is the craptasticness of this website.  It was one thing when once upon a time you had American posters and Canadians posters fighting with each other, but at least there was some substance behind it.  In contrast with "I'm going to make an argument to oppose you for the sake of being a contrarian because me.. like.. trolling!"

    I get that there's not much to talk about here these days since we're likely 4 years away from the next Olympic host being determined.  And that there's not that much news to be consumed.  It is what it is.  The funny thing for me is that I love the Olympics a lot more than I love Olympic bidding, but there aren't exactly a lot of forums out there like this.  If someone wants to point me to somewhere where they actually treat the Olympics as more than "2 ceremonies and some filler in between" or "let's spend a week analyzing their choice of a color palette for their logo", please let me know!


  18. 15 hours ago, thatsnotmypuppy said:

    But a precedent has now been set so there is always going to be the question when it comes to a head to head between two formidable potential hosts the IOC has provided themselves with a diplomatic way of getting out of any criticism.

    Will it happen again? Highly unlikely.

    Could it happen? Yes.

    Am I enjoying your passionate ranting? Possibly...

    The phrase "highly unlikely" is being pretty generous IMO.  If it's that unlikely, why does there *always* have to be the question?  Because it happened once, we need to acknowledge it as a possibility every time now?  Can we as a forum that's supposed to be knowledgeable on these things be fucking smarter than that?  Is that too much to ask?  The answer to that rhetorical question sadly is yes, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    The IOC didn't do what they did with Paris and LA to avoid criticism.  There was certainly a level of diplomacy there because it required making a deal, but that didn't come without a cost.  It shouldn't be the default assumption that because that happened once, somehow there's a precedent there that we need to have in the back of our minds.

    And yes, I will continue the ranting about this because it symbolizes what this site has somewhat tragically devolved into.  Which is a crying shame and I don't think it happened just because Olympic bidding got boring in the past few years.


  19. 5 hours ago, thatsnotmypuppy said:

    It's not "very likely" - however unless a competitive, locally supported bid from a proper Winter sports power (Norway etc) it may do the IOC good to just secure two solid hosts that will deliver events with the appropriate scale to perhaps entice the bigger players to bid again. 

    Milan will help - but SLC and Sapporo - who both have the majority of what they need in place and more importantly are using the existing infrastructure - will help the IOC further down the line.

    Thus I wouldn't expect it - but wouldn't rule it out.

    I really hate what this website has become that this is still a discussion.  That the narrative is still "that thing that happened once and we know is unlikely to happen again.. let's talk about it more because we're fucking bored here and it'll make things more interesting."  What happened to when this place used to be smarter than that?

    This idea of "maybe solid hosts will entice future bidders" still falls very flat to me.  What is it about Salt Lake or Sapporo that other cities will see that's going to entice them to bid?  To say nothing of the fact that neither of those will happen for more than a decade.  Do you really think the IOC is projecting ahead to 2038 or 2042 and worried about what the consequences of the next bid cycle will be that will affect that?  That's the kind of crap GamesBids wouldn't have been talking about a few years ago.  Now, it's about wild speculation with very little reasonable thought behind it.

    Let's say we have Salt Lake and Sapporo bidding for 2030.  What's the upside in awarding them both?  As opposed to letting them duke it out and producing a winner (and yes, a loser).  Does anyone think if SLC lost, they wouldn't bid again for 2034?  Ditto with Sapporo.  They'll be in this for the long haul.  What happened with Paris and LA was the perfect storm of circumstances to create what the IOC wound up doing.  It's next to impossible for that to repeat itself for the IOC to be compelled to do it again.


  20. 3 hours ago, thatsnotmypuppy said:

    I think most European potential bidders will read the room and realise that SLC is a likely lock with Sapporo probably for 2034. The Japanese made such a song and dance about not bidding for 2026 because the shinkansen would not be ready (like that will be the main transport link required FFS) and with the completion now delayed until 2031 at the earliest I doubt they'll put their hand up for 2030.

    Might also have had a little something to do with the fact that Japan is already hosting an Olympics and bidding for another one (especially when that other one is having budget issues) probably wouldn't be the smartest idea.

    I think Sapporo will bid for 2030.  SLC is the obviously front-runner, but I have a feeling the IOC will encourage Sapporo to give the appearance of a competition and then if nothing else, it gives them a leg up for 2034.

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