SJD88
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It looks like the relay through Tibet could be really interesting.
"Soldiers and police guarding the slopes of Everest have been authorised to shoot any protester trying to prevent the Olympic torch reaching the summit.
Chinese climbers aim to carry the flame to the top of the mountain - on the border of Nepal and Tibet - in the first few days of May. Other climbers have been banned.
Guards have been ordered to stop any protest "using whatever means necessary, including use of weapons," says Nepal's Home Ministry spokesman Modraj Dotel.
They will first try persuasion and arrests - but if all else fails they will have the option of opening fire.
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Meanwhile officials in Malaysia yesterday prepared a massive security cordon to protect the torch relay against anti-Chinese protests."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2008/04/21/we-ll-fire-to-get-torch-up-everest-89520-20390209/
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No it's not.
The IOC has never been keen on the global torch relay thing: debrief from Athens was that it was a logistics nightmare and a very costly event. It was a recommendation of the Athens 2004 Coordination Commission not to stage the torch relay on such a global scale in the future.
To be honest, I don't thing the IOC foresaw the whole PR nightmare.
BOCOG insisted on having a global torch relay.
heh well if thats the case then the BOCOG have no one to blame but them selves its a shame though that it might hurt future relays
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I'm wondering if this just an attempt by the IOC to save face?
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FYI, I live in country in Asia with full access of info from both West and non-West countries (i.e. the other 2/3 of the populations in the world), and probably make judgement based on a fuller set of information than the one you had and the one you though was so free, unbiased and complete. I lived in a western coutnry for 10+ years and have seen how western media not to the point of frabricate, but report selectively, that do the same, if not more, damage to ordinary readers's perception.
With the internet anybody here in America can get "west" and "non-west" news. I can do a Google news search and it will come back with articles from all over the world. So how can you say that you get a fuller set of information?
I just did a Google search for "Olympic torch" and the articles that came up on the first page were
1. Xinhua, China
2. Tokyo, Japan (through International Herald Tribune, France)
3. Bloomberg (USA)
4. Bloomberg (USA)
5. International Herald Tribune (France)
6. Xinhua, China
7. AP (USA)
8. AFP (France)
9. AFP (France)
10. AP (USA)
So I think that we can get almost any news source we want from any country we want.
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Tibetans are treated as second-class in China, Natives are treated better, its their own fault they are in poverty because they send all their money on alcohol and cigarettes and trying to support 13 kids. They refuse to be apart of Canadian society.
Wow it sounds like every stereotype that I’ve ever heard for every minority in America I didn't know we exported bigoted stereotypes to Canada.
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Give them casinos like we did
thats what we did and its been working so well.................... well maybe not -
Some problem countries for various reasons:
China: Might be angry over there relay but who knows
East Timor: Security might be tough
Iran: Well America might have invaded by then but who knows
Israel: Security reasons
Myanmar: Well we know that’s a rough situation
Nigeria: Could be a security risk
Palestine: I doubt it would be stable enough and the Israelis might not like that
Tibet: China probably won’t like that
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What's going to happen with the torch relay?
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Red as a colour of choice by the Chinese predates the Communist era. Their (and the Japanese as well) culture reveres red as a lucky colour - the color of life. Go to the ritzier Chinese restaurants and you will notice the heavy tones of red; as well as those exquisite lacquer boxes.
The fact that it was also the Socialists' choice of color worldwide just happened to be coincidental.
See communism was meant for China!!!!
But anyway I'm lazy I would not walk up several hundred stairs for anything. I hope that London will be smarter.
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It looks like there will be 15000 cops on the 6 KM route today in Delhi anyone want to do the math on that? That’s like 2.5 per meter.
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Heard on Breakfast News today that Beijing are planning a second torch relay through London in August for the Paralympic Games!!
They said it's likely to be much shorter, rely a lot more on busses and could even be confined to a stadium. But even so, it seems more than a little risky!
Well if at first you don't succeed try, try again
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Now did things like this happen in the 80 and 84 games? I know there were boycotts led by the USA and USSR but was it this controversial?
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Well, any protest like this would require some degree of organisational skills and resources. That said, it's wrong to question the sincerity of their opinions. I'm sure a lot of the people there are proud, patriotic Chinese who are pissed off at what they see is their nation getting badly criticised. Fair enough!
I know its more of a knee jerk of mine to question people's motives (especially when i don't particularly agree with them). And I must admit that I am more than a little jealous that they were able to whip people up on such short notice
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It seems that these pro China demonstartions are happening all over the world I've just read articals about them in Munich and Edinburgh
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Okay question does anyone know if these people are immigrants or are they in Canada (and Australia) on Visas? Or both? And who is organizing these? It all seems kind of fishy. Just looking at the pictures and reading the article it seems to perfect to be a grass roots demonstration.
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If I am not mistaken, Taiwan has refused the torch.
Their were protests in Argentina as well, just more controlled and peaceful. Human rights is a big issue in Argentina
From what I've read about it, it was going to go through Taiwan but there were a few sticking points politically so it was taken out of the relay.
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So SJD- outside of any Olympic protest when is the last time you protested for Tibet independence?
Oh never that is not an issue that concerns me (that sounds kind of bad but i'll go with it) i was just talking generally. I do more locally oriented things like Union organizing, and helping striking workers, and other more local things. I don't know how much I could really do for the Tibeten people.
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That's why I am depending on the likes of you to man the barricades, etc. I will not compete for the honor.
ha okay ill be the one to fight for social justice so long as history looks kindly on me and that'll be up to you make sure they put a good picture of me in the history books
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Yes. My mother's life.
Well thats good i'm sure your mom would be happy to hear. I think i'm just too idealistic because there would be several things that at the very least i would spend the night in jail for.
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It's good that others are willing to offer their bones to be broken and their skulls bashed.
Is there anything that you would offer your bones over? I don't know it seems like real opportunities are rare for that the best known and most referenced that I’ve seen have been Gandhi and his cause in India, and the civil rights movement in America.
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Excellent point. I "love" that passive-aggressive tactic that the most professional protesters take to further their cause.
Well that is the best way to get on the news and get your cause out there. Why change something if its not broken.
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Or maybe thats how many monks they will have jailed by the time the games are over
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I don't know i think Athens to Canada is good. With some stops on border towns such as International Falls, Niagara Falls, etc.
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Anyone want to take bets on how many people will get arrested in Dar Es Salaam
Your Torch Relay 2008
in Beijing 2008 Summer Games
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that is true i forgot that that happened
PS I think that your picture is wonderful