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  1. Mr. X is back momentarily after a long absence from here.

    Overall, it was a spectacular ceremony - nothing we wouldn't expect from Russia and the most expensive Olympic Games ever.

    But disappointingly it lacked originality, a lot of the concepts or even the narrative were glaringly 'borrowed' from Vancouver. I don't think we've ever seen Ceremonies that practically use the same concepts.

    1. The cultural segment that followed the Parade of Nations began with ice breaking, revealing the ocean and a whale formed by props and performers. Vancouver also began its cultural segment in the same way: ice breaking leading to projected orca whales.

    This was my biggest beef with Sochi's Opening.

    2. Sochi's projected cannon with the smoke effects for firing. Vancouver had that for the orca whale spouts.

    3. Vancouver had ceiling suspended constellations. Sochi used the same type of lights to represent winter sport icons just before the lighting of the cauldron.

    4. Inline skaters skating in opposing circles concluded Vancouver's cultural segment. Sochi did the same thing towards the end of its Ceremony. Granted, Beijing 2008's Closing Ceremony also had inline skaters but they were doing something completely different.

    5. Both Vancouver and Sochi had their malfunctions. :P

  2. EXACTLY!!! The flame would have overshadowed the Orbit as a "tourist attraction", which as they say on their website, "is London’s major new visitor destination – both during the Games and beyond." So the decision was to kill the flame and promote the orbit, without actually admitting it!

    Yet if they had also built the Orbit to double as a secondary permanent cauldron, it would be even more of a "tourist attraction!"

  3. In hindsight, the ideas thrown around of London building a large tower, having multiple cauldrons, or whatever else was suggested before the 27th seem really unrealistic now.

    Clearly, London's budget was tight. Very tight.

    Tight enough to force them into the corner of only being able to build a small cauldron. Coupled with a very closed stadium roof structure and they were stuck with a small cauldron than can't be placed in a position visible from both the inside and the outside of the stadium. So they had to choose and they chose the inside probably simply because that's where the ceremony takes place.

    All very unfortunate, but in retrospect, not the most surprising move from London.n

    Vancouver's secondary permanent outdoor cauldron wasn't an expense of VANOC, rather it was built and donated by the local natural gas company at a cost of $5-million. Maybe LOCOG could have done something creatively or cut back elsewhere...

  4. Slightly off-topic in terms of this years cauldron I know, but something that's always interested me is what happens to the cauldrons AFTER the Olympics. The only one I know about is the Sydney Cauldron, which is now part of a fountain in a park nearby. Does anyone have information or even better, any pictures of other cauldrons post-Olympics?

    An event I organized earlier this year...

  5. Well, then, you/whomever has to be on the NIMBY bandwagon before it's awarded. And one way or another...it's:

    1. either pay for HIGH ticket prices up front

    2. pay for them for a generation or 2 (like Montreal and Mexico City) or

    3. DON'T have them at all.

    It certainly isn't as black and white as you make it out to be.

  6. It's what the market will bear. Yeah, sure, the low and the mighty went to old Olympia...and the moneyed either stayed in SOME guesthouses or had tents set up. The ordinary visitor, reports say, just slept out in the fields...and where do you think they did their latrine chores? Having various tiers of tickets and accommodations just brings a little more order to such a vast operation. The host city is able to control more of the activity that is happening w/in its confines and if it's a little costlier, then that provides a better experience for the visitor. Come Qatar 2022, can you see people coming wiht a ticket in hand, and with no place to sleep or sh*t, just camps out on the dessert? :blink:

    And THAT's WHY it's available on TV too. No ONE HAS to go to any Olympic event. It is an entirely OPTIONAL activity.

    Nobody has to go to any Olympic event, but who pays to put on these Olympic events?



  7. Well, here in Vancouver the public was complaining about the ticket costs for Games events. But there was so much to do in Vancouver during the Olympics, that those who didn't have any tickets and were complaining were also part of the whole "Olympic experience."

    So all in all, those Live Sites and whatever public celebrations London has planned is quite vital for satisfying the greater public and also for building the Games atmosphere London organizers are yearning for. I'm sure it'll be fantastic, I don't think Brits are the stiff/conservative type? That would be the Russians two years later. :P

    Huh? The only New Cities Summit that pops up is the inaugural one for Paris in May 2012. Nothing about Vancouver.


  8. Mr X, welcome back! It's like Pavlov's Dog... he hear's "Vancouver" mentioned and comes running!

    I have no idea how much bottled water is, only that it's about 100 times more expensive compared to the stuff that comes out of the tap. But yes, things are expensive in the UK, and even moreso in London. Still, £40m wasn't an insignificant amount of money for some ceremonies, double that and I'm expecting something special.

    Haha, well the tickets for the Opening at London are quite ridiculous -- of course, as we all know, they are the most expensive in Olympic history. This is a pretty good graphic if it hasn't already been posted here:



    I'm guessing it's a matter of inflating it to local market prices, market demand...and just because LOCOG can. :P I would imagine that some EU policies might also be in the works that are allowing tickets to be sold to anyone in the EU, not just the traditional domestic audience?

    Vancouver is a pretty expensive city to work with, and I'm sure David Atkins realized that himself. Right now, I'm organizing a major global conference to be held in a few months in Vancouver -- getting ready to stage everything from the Opening Ceremony to the relighting of the Olympic Cauldron!

  9. Mr X, welcome back! It's like Pavlov's Dog... he hear's "Vancouver" mentioned and comes running!

    I have no idea how much bottled water is, only that it's about 100 times more expensive compared to the stuff that comes out of the tap. But yes, things are expensive in the UK, and even moreso in London. Still, £40m wasn't an insignificant amount of money for some ceremonies, double that and I'm expecting something special.

    Haha, I saw an article about the Opening budget being increased on my Google news feed and thought I'd drop by here.

    I'm expecting great things from London 2012.

  10. This now puts the London budget close to the budget of Beijing. It is now 3 times the budget of Vancouver. :o

    Actually, it's a little over double...not quite 3 times. :P The Vancouver budget was at $42-million from the start, then David Atkins went back to VANOC and got an additional $8-million for things like the draping system. That brings it to $50-million. A few more million after that was spent on the outdoor cauldron.

    Anyway, this is fantastic news for London!!! Then again, all things considered, things cost quite a bit more in the Isles -- how much does a bottle of water cost again?...I'm gonna guess that the original budget didn't buy much.

    I wish the BC/Canadian government had that kind of commitment towards the Vancouver Ceremonies.

  11. ^ to this day, I'm still quite embarrassed about that. I mean, VANOC has always emphasized the importance of the cauldron lighting at the Opening -- and yet, this happened?

    I was also surprised that the performers, on average, had only 21 days of training -- with each session lasting about 4 hours. And the full tally for the number of performers at the Opening was just 2,000....I'm pretty sure any one of those Salt Lake or Torino cultural acts that lasted 10-minutes had a lot more performers than that.

    All in all, right from the beginning, VANOC and the governments failed to realize how important the Ceremonies were. There was so much talk about the sports venues and getting them done on time and on budget (same with the transport infrastructure and Olympic Villages), yet there was little talk about the actual Ceremonies Venue.

    Overall, poor planning and a lack of attention to detail....whether it because of money issues, or a lack of staff (because of money issues).

    But it doesn't mean I still don't love Vancouver 2010, being that this is in my hometown and all. But it could have been so much better...

    The luge tragedy was just terrible luck, and it certainly wasn't VANOC's fault.

  12. Vancouver in line to host 2015 women’s World Cup soccer final

    Renovated BC Place Stadium’s FIFA-approved Polytan artificial turf may be an issue, as Canada wins hosting rights to global tournament

    By Bruce Constantineau, Vancouver Sun March 3, 2011 3:56 PM

    VANCOUVER — Vancouver has a chance to host the 2015 Women's World Cup final at BC Place Stadium.

    The city could even hold the event's opening or closing ceremonies or be the site of the World Cup draw.

    It's all possible now that FIFA has officially awarded the quadrennial event to Canada and Vancouver is one of seven “candidate bid cities.”

    “This is awesome news,” Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson said in an interview. “It's another great opportunity for our city to host a big global sporting event that is rapidly growing in popularity.”

    The City of Vancouver last month approved spending up to $400,000 over the next four years to support the 2015 World Cup and the 2014 Women's U-20 World Cup, which Canada will hold as a test event.

    Other Canadian cities bidding to host 2015 World Cup games and events include Edmonton, Winnipeg, Ottawa, Montreal, Halifax and Moncton.

    Toronto withdrew from consideration because of its commitments to hosting the 2015 Pan American Games.

    Canadian Soccer Association general secretary Peter Montopoli predicts the World Cup will boost women's soccer and the sport in general across Canada, much like the Canadian-hosted 2002 Women's U-19 World Championship and 2007 Men's U-20 World Cup did in the past.

    “Like the nation-building that surrounded the 2010 Olympics, this has the potential to be that kind of nation-building competition that reaches everybody in the country from coast to coast,” he said in an interview from Zurich, where FIFA announced the winning Canadian bid. “Everybody will be able to touch and feel this event.”

    FIFA rubber-stamped Canada's successful bid Thursday after Zimbabwe, the only other country vying for the event, withdrew earlier this week.

    Seven countries were interested in bidding for the 2015 World Cup last year but Montopoli said several pulled out and bid for other FIFA events after seeing the strength of the Canadian bid. Canada bid for the 2011 Women's World Cup but lost to Germany.

    Montopoli noted the number of registered female soccer players in Canada has doubled from about 200,000 to 400,000 since 2002 and expects more significant growth after four more years of “solid promotion” of the women's game throughout Canada.

    FIFA wants at least six cities to host the World Cup and all seven Canadian candidate bid cities could be successful if they pass a FIFA inspection this fall.

    Montopoli said decisions on which cities host which events will be made by the end of this year or early 2012.

    The 2015 World Cup will be bigger than the event taking place in Germany this summer because the number of teams will grow from 16 to 24 and the number of games will rise from 32 to 52.

    Montopoli said the CSA expects the 2014 and 2015 events will at least break even if they don't make money. The 2015 World Cup has a $40-million operating budget while the 2014 U-20 event is budgeted at between $15 million and $20 million.

    The federal government will provide up to $15 million and Montopoli hopes the cities and provinces will collectively provide a similar amount. The remaining funding will come from sponsorships, ticket sales and a FIFA subsidy for the 2014 event.

    Montopoli said the budget does not include about $1 billion in infrastructure upgrades being made to facilities to be used during the World Cup. That figure includes the $563-million BC Place Stadium renovation, a renovation at Commonwealth Stadium in Edmonton and the cost of new stadiums in Winnipeg, Ottawa and Halifax.

    BC Place games will be played on FIFA-approved Polytan artificial turf but it's not clear if the sport's world governing body would want the showcase final match played on anything but natural grass.

    “We'd love to host the final and we'll push hard to win that honour and I think we have a good shot with the new stadium,” Robertson said. “ … There have been examples of stadiums putting in temporary natural grass before and if that's what we need to do, hopefully PavCo can rise to that challenge.”

    PavCo president Warren Buckley said it would be a major undertaking to put natural grass in BC Place, as the artificial turf could not be taken out.

    “If we had to, obviously we would consider anything to get the final,” he said. “But FIFA has approved this [artificial] turf. That's why we're buying it.”


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  13. At least there is something interesting in the book about the not-so-memorable games. This guy is an idiot to have used the language he did int he book. I wonder if it was his lame attempt to put something interesting or controversial in the book. But agreed, it's over, really seems like it never happened even, move on. Vancouver is the only city I know that seemed better before it hosted...not sure why....I think maybe it goes to the head of the people and they become a little fanatical and self-centered, which is the opposite of how I used to see Vancouverites. Plus the look of the games came up SHORT, and the city (always one of my favorite looking cities) didn't "wear" the look well. -not sure f that's how you say Vancouverites??

    "Not so-memorable Games"...quite subjective, and not to mention that the Winter Games generally aren't "memorable" to the same extent as the Summer Games. Who really remembers Nagano? Lillehammer? Albertville? Really, only the people in the host cities/regions/nations. Not to mention, you've always had a thing against Vancouver.

    Vancouver is a better city today because of the Olympics, thank you very much.

    The "Look of the Games" is one very minor thing. It was an unfortunate thing to have cut, but recall that the world has been in recession for the last 2 years. And although the Look of the Games lacked, the city went above and beyond to provide a very hospitable and atmospheric experience - unlike any Olympics before it - in the city streets as well as in the many Live Sites.

    VANOC's original plans for the Look of the Games before the recession.







    @ Kenadian: Furlong isn't perfect, but the fact that he's one of the very, very few to have held on to the job for the entire journey is an astounding accomplishment. The guy led an organization with zero issues, until the 2008 recession rolled in.

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