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  1. Possibly doping. I'm sure her samples will be looked at closely. If it turns out she's juiced up, it isn't with the blessing of her federation and her country nor the participation of the anti-doping lab. At any rate, Kendra Harrison isn't going to be at Rio Olympics as she didn't make the team.
  2. Alright that was weird. My first attempt above at replying to anything on a standard pc with keyboard resulted in the keyboard going haywire and inserting random numbers and symbols in lieu of proper spacing and punctuation. Figured it was some sort of virus or something transmitted by new gb site. Seems to be no problem on the laptop I've switched to. Maybe a keyboard failure on the 1st machine just coincided with accessing gamesbids ! Whew.
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  4. I agree with all your points, especially the idea that you fit the Olympics to the city, not the other way around.
  5. I vote no. The vast majority of ANY USA city's residents are no longer interested in hosting an event which sucks up increasingly scarce resources, is a pain in the quality-of-life azz for many weeks/months/years, and in the end benefits relatively few. I don't think that attitude is going to change in 2015 or in the future. Relatively few Americans feel any sort of warm fuzzies for the Olympic Games and even less feel anything for the IOC or USOC. If more Americans even knew who Thomas Bach is, they'd likely tell him to go pound sand. IMO, far better to be a visitor and let somebody else foot the bill, than to be a host of what's become an overblown, outlandish extravaganza with too many sports and which costs way more than it should. Probably an unpopular opinion on a forum such as this, but would-be hosts should be dictating to the IOC what they are willing to spend and willing to provide, not the other way around. I don't see evidence that the IOC seriously wants to rein their big event (SOG) in to a more manageable and appealing level befitting a leaner and meaner 21st century.
  6. Well, I was always told that the difference between a sport and a game is the Beer Test. If you can do the activity and drink a beer at the same time, it's a game. If you can't do both simultaneously, it's a sport. Works for me!
  7. Thanks for clearing this up! You're absolutely correct. I can see it if logged in, it disappears when not logged in.
  8. Can't figure out where else to post this question: Why does my poster information on the left have "0 Warning Points"? I mean, I'm glad to have zero of what sounds like something I don't want to have, but nobody else's posts seem to display this. I checked my settings and can't figure out how to delete this--what am I missing? I would be amenable to leaving it up but only if everybody else's WP's can be displayed. I want to know who's been naughty.....
  9. The empty seats in Beijing had zero to do with people in farms and provinces wanting souvenir tickets. The empty seats you saw in most events were in the venue sections not sold to the general public. Tickets for general public areas were largely sold out. The empties were restricted seats distributed to Olympic family, federation bigwigs, media, and large Chinese company sponsors who then didn't use them. I was there. It was outrageous but please don't put this on the backs of ordinary Chinese. Most of whom would have killed to attend a session if they could have gotten a ticket. This observation does not apply to the football sessions outside of Beijing, most of which had plenty of empty seats but were held in big stadiums where that was expected. As to why the Bird's Nest isn't used more, two reasons: 1) fee charge too high for most events. 2) censorship under the guise of public safety. All large public events have to be approved by the Public Security Bureau, and getting approval from them for many sorts of things that would be easy in the Western World--like U2 concerts and Billy Graham Crusades--just won't pass muster. That is not likely to change anytime soon.
  10. Sorry, can't edit post above. Found answer, it's the fishing expedition. USOC doesn't seem to have committed to anybody to put up a bid for 2024. I presume whether to do so or not will also depend on the political winds whooshing around the IOC and where the competition is coming from. I can think of at least 1 of those 4 cities where, regardless of what the Olympics boosters think, the citizens aren't going to be particularly thrilled to be a host.
  11. Is it confirmed then, that the USOC will be bidding for the 2024 Games and it's just a matter of which one of these cities will be put forward to the IOC? Or is the USOC on more of a fishing expedition to see if any of the four can come up with a credible plan, worthy of a USOC push?
  12. It's my opinion that by winter 2022 the smog problem in Beijing will be much less than it is now, possibly even to levels low enough to compare to many North American or European cities. Reasons: 1) Most importantly, replacement of coal with nuclear power and to a lesser extent, natural gas. A passel of nuclear power plants are currently under construction with most of that capacity coming online between 2016 and 2020. Some of these plants are located along the north China coast and will distribute to Beijing area and to the factory belts of the region. Get rid of the coal for heat, electricity, and factory power and you get rid of about 3/4 of the problem. 2) Change in economy. Less heavy manufacturing "smokestack" industry and more clean industry (hi tech) and more service industries. That's happening right now. 3) Political will and citizen outrage. The anger over all forms of pollution but air in particular, is real, intense, and no longer joked about like it might have been even 3-4 years ago. I think the tipping point has finally been reached to where official anti-pollution policy and the will to enforce it will move in a more environmentally-protective direction. While I'm not a particular fan of a Beijing/Zhangjiakou Winter Olympics bid, smog fears aren't a reason.
  13. Not nice LiuTian. Of course they have their own culture, if you get beyond what you've been taught in Chinese schools. Koreans aren't anything like Chinese and that is obvious to many foreigners with any experience. You should walk more softly--your comments are giving forum members good reason to argue why giving another Olympics (Winter or Summer) to China might not be a good idea.
  14. I don't usually like closing ceremonies but I liked this one--guess I prefer a little more "ceremony" and less athletes bopping to pop songs. Especially enjoyed the play on the OC's ring-not-opening oopsie, the pianos and the mascots/Bear blowing out the flame.
  15. Thanks. Both of these points make a lot more sense to me than the suit nonsense. I wonder if any "lessons learned" will come out of this.
  16. With respect to above post, unfortunately it's not that straightforward. The judge's marks are scrambled at random between competitors. All numbers in a given column under a given skater are from the same judge. However, the judge in column #1 on Kim's protocol results might be judge #7, 3, 5, or any other position on Sotnikova's protocols. This is to keep you from doing a direct comparison like you are trying to do.
  17. RE: US Speed Skating team disaster Does anybody have any thoughts, comments, or inside scoop on what's been happening? Particularly the public comments by Maria Lamb against the leadership of the organization?
  18. Petition on change.org is closing in on 2 million signatures (not all of them from South Koreans!). http://www.change.org/petitions/international-skating-union-isu-open-investigation-into-judging-decisions-of-women-s-figure-skating-and-demand-rejudgement-at-the-sochi-olympics IMO, there is nothing that will happen that will cause the ISU or IOC to review and/or change this result. However, it has been such a blatant example of unseemly scoring that it's possible there will be some changes to the system made over the next couple of years, including getting rid of anonymous judging. It would take a ballsy ISU President to get rid of the conflicts of interest on tech and judging panels, and I don't expect that to happen under "Speedy" Cinquanta nor any other leader that comes from a speed skating background rather than a figure skating one.
  19. I find pcpcpc12's graph above quite interesting, and yes, I think it speaks volumes for the PCS side of the equation.
  20. Not all that much. Mao Asada's free skate had 8 triples including a triple axel (the only woman in the world to do one in competition)--that's one more than Sotnikova. Asada BV > Sotnikova by 5 points. Yet her very wonderful and mature FS was nitpicked to death. Look at it another way in order of highest to lowest BV: Asada BV 66.34, actual TES with the GOE added 73.03 = 10.1% boost Sotnikova BV 61.43, actual TES with GOE added 75.54 = 23.0% boost Kostner BV 58.45, actual TES with GOE added 69.69 = 17.8% boost Kim BV 57.49, actual TES with GOE added 68.84 = 21.2% boost Sotnikova's boost over the BV of her program was an order of magnitude higher than she's ever received before, whereas that of the other 3 are pretty much in line with other competitions where they skated decently. Sotnikova's other key free skates of the season: Cup of China BV 47.32, with adds 50.36 = 6.4% boost. Total score for this competition 174.70. Trophee Eric Bompard BV 55.75, with adds 65.15 = 16.9% boost. Total score 189.81 and she skated very well. Grand Prix Final BV 48.85, with deducts 46.45 = negative. Total score 173.30 and very poorly skated, I'd chuck this out as an aberration. European Champs BV 54.86, with adds 62.03 = 13.1% boost. She skated well. In ALL of these competitions her lutzes deserved and received edge calls ("flutzing). I've seen her live and she has an obvious take-off issue with this jump. Yet magically, no deduction at Olympics for the same thing while others were deducted? Next, the BV's themselves have some questions since the non-Russians generally received lower levels for things like step sequences whereas Sotnikova was max'ed out. There were deviations in how these levels were assigned by this Technical Panel compared to other Tech Panels for the same programs delivered the same way. Levels affect BV. I could go on, etc. etc. but if you drill down into the numbers, it's obvious something is way out of whack. Not exactly correct. While the PCS scoring was egregiously wrong for both Russians, the furor is also over the TES scores. Lots of points were gained by the Russians on the tech side as well. Per my comments above. And the Technical Controller was Alexandr Lakernik, chairman of the ISU Tech Committee who happens to be Russian. The judge you speak of is Alla Shekovtseva, married to Piseev, head of Russian Skating Federation. Can anybody say: "conflict of interest?" There has been much b*tching about this for years by other federations, but Cinquanta of the ISU has steadfastly supported them. He's been in the RSF's pocket for years, though. You're not alone in this. There is a problem with the scoring system in that things like falls are not penalized enough. A fall on a jump can end up being worth more than another jump completed with a underrotation. This encourages people to take risks on jumps they can't actually complete. This happens not just with quads but with all multiples of rotations. IMO, at Senior International ISU Competitions, falls should be penalized more like -4 or -5 rather than the paltry -1 penalty currently assessed. When you are dealing with total scoring of top elites in the 180-250+ range, -1 is a ridiculously low penalty percentage. Rebalancing the scoring for risk vs reward would result in a more logical system. This is true. In the early part of the season, she looked like she was skating half-naked. It was widely discussed on figure skating forums. Her Team obviously saw the criticisms (likely were given negative feedback from the ISU) and made modifications. Still an ugly costume though, but that's a minor quibble in the current Big Picture of what's happened..
  21. I'm curious about something: assuming the rumour is true, the positive testing results from past two OWG must have been known weeks ago, if not months ago. Why wouldn't they have announced these results before Sochi started?
  22. I'm not an expert in the sense of someone who has been through judge's school is, but I am a skater and know the ins and outs of the COP system pretty well. After going back and looking at the detailed protocols on the technical side (TES) as well as the artistic component marks (PCS) for both the short and long programs of the top 7-8 skaters, and also going back and slow-mo'ing some of the parts of programs, I noticed the following: --The Technical Panel (not the judges) seemed to be very nitpicking on edges, downgrades, and underrotations with the non-Russian skaters, while the two Russians were given the benefit of a doubt. This takes a slow-mo to see, which was certainly available to the Panel. --The Technical Panel (again, not the judges) gave out element Levels on some spins and steps to most of the non-Russians, which were lower than those received by the Russians. than despite some pretty clear definitions on what it takes to meet each level. The higher the Level, the higher the base value. --GOE (Grade of Execution). Sliding scale of -3 to +3 with 0 being the neutral (=no adjustment to base value). The Russians, particularly Sotnikova, got an very high amount of +2's and +3's. IMO, many of her elements weren't so great that they deserved more than a slight nudge up from base. In contrast, Kim and Kostner in particular got far less generous GOE's, given the quality of the elements as I saw them. The Japanese and the Americans got GOE's that IMO were in keeping with what was put out on the ice --PCS (the Component Scores). Lots of mischief done here. Anybody in skating circles knows that there are three skaters who are unequivocably, the best ladies in the world at this pretty much regardless of program they are skating: Kim, Kostner, Asada. With Suzuki probably right behind at #4. Both Russians, all season, have IMO (and a lot of others) received high PCS at their competitions all the way through Europeans. Scores getting up their with the top skaters. But the jump in PCS from European Championships to the Olympics (a span of a sparse few weeks) has been astronomical and inexplicable by legitimate means. If Kim, Koster, Asada should be around 9.0+ for most of their components, The Russian girls should IMO be upper 7's (Lipnitskaia) and around 8.0 (Sotnikova). Right now, they simply aren't good enough to justify the high marks they received. The COP system isn't about skating "clean" vs falling. It's not a simple as "being the spunkiest." All of the above, when you add up the shaving-off of the non-Russians, and the gimmes for the Russians, add up to serious amounts of total points. Per my observations and slicing/dicing of programs, I believe that Lipnitskaia was overscored cumulatively (short + free) by as much as 10 points. And Sotnikova by about 15 points. My final results would have ended up: Kim Kostner Sotnikova Gold Asada Wagner Lipnitskaia Suzuki The Technical Controller of both parts of the competition (Lakernik) is Russian. This just seems....questionable. As is the inclusion on the judging panel of Balkov (Ukranian judge, should have been banned for life after 2002) and Shekovtseva (wife of Russian Skating Federation head). When I saw the Tech panel for the SP my eyebrows were raised, the SP scoring was shockingly designed to keep both Russian ladies in position for a medal. Once I saw the final judge's panel for the FS, I figured the fix was definitely in. Then when Sotnikova's score came up a baffling 149, I knew it was all over. It's completely shameful. Given the enormously wide range of people in the skating world who saw the skates, know the judging system, and cannot explain the results by any legitimate means, we can only conclude something rotten went on. I hope Sotnikova enjoys her gold medal. I'm sure when 2018 rolls around, she can expect a warm welcome in Pyeongchang.
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