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Colonel Iredale

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  1. If technical bids are similar surely other factors become involved. Plus, if an IOC member is friends with someone on a certain bid committee, they might vote that way. Singapore sent a delegation to Lausanne to lobby about 8 or so IOC members at the IOC headquarters a few weeks ago, as another example. The bids won't be decided purely on a technical basis as long as lobbying and marketing is allowed.
  2. Politics AND OTHER INFLUENCES will prevail if the technical capacity is similar. Just look at Athens going for the "Home of the Olympic Games for the Inaugural YOG" banner.
  3. By techinical, I am referring to the quality of the bid in terms of facilities, accomodation, transport, general organisation, finances etc. Outside issues include political issues, philosophical aims, ways in which the bid is marketed, lobbying, and sometimes geographical politics etc. Take 2012, you had three very strong candidates in London, Paris and Madrid (New York had questions over the Olympic Stadium and Moscow had questions over their finances). All three had a technically brilliant plan, but things such as lobbying, politics and an aim to "inspire a generation to take up sport" led to London's win. Take 2014 - Sochi was brilliant in many areas, there were also questions over some areas (the environment, for example), some of which still exist today. PyeongChang, however, was less controversial and technically of a higher standard. Sochi won, however, as its team were better connected and were better at lobbying, with political reasons (such as "the Putin effect"), and a desire to build winter sports facilities in Russia to "allow young people to follow their [sporting] dreams" also having an effect on the outcome. A strong technical bid is one that would host a "perfect Games". A strong bid is one that meets the aims and objectives of the electing organisation.
  4. A very true point. I don't see dirty tricks as the way to go. It only incites contempt.
  5. You know, I have a followed all sorts of bidding contests for years, and I've even volunteered at a couple of IOC Sessions and witnessed the final stretch first hand. I do believe that if I was ever given a "junket" to some bid committee, that I would be able to do a good job and have the bidding committee proud of my efforts. Jim Jones is an idiot, anyone who hires him are committing suicide, as far as their bid is concerned. A sure fire way to shoot yourself in the foot.
  6. Yes, they have the technical capability to host a excellent games. Beyond technical capability lies an arena of politics and political reasons why a city should or shouldn't get the games, as well as PR etc. I believe Torino et al are perfectly capable of putting on a great games, but I am not certain of whether they will be short listed. They should be, but Moscow, Singapore and Debrecen stand out at the minute.
  7. I thought the shortlist was too be announced yesterday, and it turns out it is next week. IOC confusing me, how dare they. I say Debrecen, Moscow and Singapore will definately get through. On a technical status, I see no reason why Athens, Torino, Poznan and Bangkok should get through too. I'm confident on saying if they will get through or not. Poznan has hosted a few rowing events, I believe. Bangkok is boring me at the minute, they need some more PR, or some PR full stop. Guatemala will get dropped, no argument there. KL should get in but its unlikely with such a low support from the Olympic Council.
  8. My Prediction: To Drop: Guatemala City Not Sure: Algiers, Poznan, Debrecen Borderline (probably shortlist): Bangkok, Athens, Turin, KL, Moscow Will Shortlist: Singapore, Belgrade An 8 city shortlist wouldn't suprise me! Surely 6-8 will make it.
  9. Just to clarify, that is the NOC info desk at the Olympic Village and the VIP area at the table tennis venue, they were not both at the table tennis venue!
  10. You're very welcome - I was present in Belgrade as a volunteer flitting between the NOC info desk and protocol/VIP area at the table tennis venue. I was an NOC Attache in Paris (for those who don't know, an Attache is a person who, working for the organising committee, acts as a link between the organising committe and a delegation/team). The thing is there are (generally) almost always problems at these events - I could give you dirt on the Session in Singapore, Guatemala (although my reasons for downplaying Guatemala's chances are not related to the 'dirt' that I am talking about) and Athens (and for even more dirt on Athens, just ask GB user 'NOC' - he can give you heaps!) but unless these are huge, major issues, or an huge accumilation of issues it would not neccessarily preclude a city from hosting. At the end of the day, it is the membership of the IOC who finally vote - very experienced sports administrators who have attended a plethora of these type of events and know what to expect (which, on many occasions, is "expect nothing"!). Even so, they are well versed in how these event operate and will only rule out a certain city from hosting if they really feel strongly that the issue they would come up again, and cause them too many problems (in comparison with competing cities). Of course, these very experienced sports administrators are also very well connected and may possibly have friends working in one of the bidding committees, and may be swayed to vote a particular way (for example, it is believed that Rene Fasel was a Sochi 2014 supporter due to connections in the IIHF - of which he is president - and that Sir Phil Craven was a supporter of the Salzburg 2014 bid due to a connection in the Wheelchair Basketball family - Craven's main sport - who worked for Salzburg 2014). Members may also be tempted to vote various other ways, be it purely on the technical bid, geopolitics, a simple admiration/dislike of the city, because the President of the other country insulted their culture/cuisine , or even maybe where they/their spouses want to go shopping - who knows! As well as the IOC membership voting in February (I have to admit, whilst I understand the reasons - time/ cost etc as the IOC members are volunteers, it would be very expensive to have an extraordinary session and the winning city should ideally have three years to prepare - I do have concerns about postal voting, given the potential for lost votes and/ or voting fraud - hopefully this should only be required for the first few editions whilst the timescales needed are caught up with), there is also the short listing in November where the exective board (even more senior members) will determine which cities will be shortlisted. They should ideally only short list a city if they feel that it does not meet the technical requirements to host the event in question, or that the city would be unsuitable for whatever other reason (be it political reasons or whatever). If the city is perfectly capable of hosting a great games, they should generally be short listed. I cannot speak for Kuala Lumpur, Bangkok, Algiers, Torino etc as I have not attended the respective sports events that they have held over the past decade (although I have heard positive comments about each one), but I would be very careful to rule out a city based on media reports as sometimes what might be common or minor issues can sometimes be either distorted, exagerrated or misunderstood. However this does not mean that I believe such events should be free from media scruitiny - quite the opposite!
  11. All delegations had the same standard of accomodation, it wasn't just "some". It is true that rooms did not have air conditioning (it was student accommodation) and temperatures did actually reach 46'C (115'F), however, whilst I do not know how the situation was in Lignano 2005, there was not any air conditioning in the Cite Universitaire accommodation in Paris (2003). It was unfortunate that there was a heatwave across Europe at the time of the Festival, the temperatures in Belgrade in July are said to average 16/27'C Min/Max. With water, again this is normal in this competition. I believe the daily allowance per athlete was one bottle a day plus 1.5 litres during train/competition. Again, I think I remember this was the same in Paris (and Paris had other issues too, such as not delivering water to certain satellite hotels). It was also the same with the water in Jaca, if I remember. I really don't remember many athletes/officials having major problems with this and there were also plenty of opportunity to refill water. I do believe that this was also stipulated in the contract that each NOC had to make with the Belgrade Organising Committee (which covers meals, transport, accommodation, water, participation fees etc etc). There was issue with water when the President of the Portuguese NOC wanted a bottle of water but nobody would get him one. I don't enough about this incident to comment on it, but I fail to see how such an issue would renegade the possibility that Belgrade could host such an event - little things like this happen all the time. I do believe that there were some pest control issues with the Portuguese team's accommodation, again this could have also been due to the excessive heat. I am not saying that Belgrade 2007 was perfect (it would have helped if the communication had been better - both signage and the competence of certain staff in charge of giving information to NOCs were below standard), and I'm not saying that I support (or do not support) their 2010 YOG bid, but I do see them as a very strong candidate in the bidding competition.
  12. Well if Abuja wins the Commonwealth Games bid, nothing will surprise me! I don't know enough information on Poznan or Debrecen to be able to comment on these cities. Guatemala - no way, it ain't gonna happen. I think this is a bid to satisfy Willi Kalschmitt's ego, as he even mentioned at the Session he would do everything to get it at the Session. This is a totally different event from the Session though, which was simply hosted on a street between two hotels. Read any government travel advice on Guatemala relating to crime or transport and you will know what I mean. Athens & Turin should get short listed, although I would be surprised if they actually won. Athens could certainly do with the games to uses its venues, which are certainly under used. Torino hosted a good winter Olympic/World University Games - the main problems with 2006 (doping, finances) should be less prevalent in this sort of event. KL could have a good shot at it, wouldn't necessarily win - although a lack of support might be seen as a lack of confidence and not see it on the short list. Singapore is certainly a favourite - although they do have a habit of bidding for events and dropping out (at a variety of stages), but they should easily short list and a favourite to win. Bangkok should make the short list, it has a good shot after a successful World University Games, I wouldn't say it's my favourite to win, but it wouldn't surprise me. I don't really know too much about Algiers, but they seemed to host the All Africa Games successfully, a games which seemed to be well received by the Olympic Family. I would say borderline as to whether they will short list though. Belgrade is another favourite to win - its quite a good city to host such an event, they have the experience, infrastructure, decent venues etc - a well put together bid could pull it off for them.
  13. What were these issues? I don't really remember any problems with accomodation/food/drink as you state?
  14. Guatemala is living in cloud cuckoo land if it thinks it can host these games as transport system (and security situation) is p¡ss poor. The Session was an excellent success, and yes the security there was very good. However this was all held on the same street between a few hotels, with a few dignitaries to keep secure. As far as the safety of 3,000 athletes (not to mention children) as well as all the dignitaries, families, spectators, media, very a huge number of venues. Also, I can't imagine the security issues etc changing any time soon as the President that Guatemala is about to elect (Colom) is corrupt and is under his wife's thumb. I loved the 119th IOC Session, I have made a ton of friends their and would love such an opportunity to go back... but this isn't going happen - it's a totally different event.
  15. FA Cup final will be at Wembley The Football Association has confirmed the new £800m Wembley Stadium will host this year's FA Cup final on 19 May. Brent Council have given the stadium a general safety certificate after two successful "ramp up" events. A community day was staged for 34,000 people and England under-21s faced Italy in front of nearly 56,000 fans. FA chief executive Brian Barwick said: "I'm happy to confirm that the 2007 FA Cup final, sponsored will be played at Wembley Stadium." BBC: The FA Cup Final will be at Wembley
  16. The AYOF is organised by the Australian Olympic Committee, and the EYOF is organised (by an Organising Committee) through the Association European Olympic Committees (EOC). Whilst both are endordorsed by the Olympic Movement, they are coordinated by bodies in the "Olympic Family Tree" - just like the Pan American Games are coordinated by PASO.
  17. The pain is nearly over! The pain is nearly over! After seven years: Wembley keys to be handed over 7.18, Fri Mar 9 2007 After years of controversy and delays, keys to the new Wembley Stadium could be handed over later [today]. Sources say a fire alarm certificate, obtained yesterday, was the last box to be ticked on the £800 million project. Cutlery and glasses are being unpacked in restaurants at the stadium and computers for the offices and monitors for the police control room are being delivered. It is all in preparation for the FA Cup final which will be held at the 90,000 seat stadium on May 19 - the first time it will be staged in London since 2000. But the FA has organised a number of events before then to test the new complex's facilities. These include a community day on March 17, when thousands of local people will tour the ground and a mini-football tournament between celebrity and local teams will take place. And a friendly international between the under-21 teams of England and Italy is scheduled for March 24. Pop star George Michael will play the first concert at the new Wembley Stadium, on June 9, as part of his British and European tour. Tom Kelly, an official of the GMB union, which represents many of the workers involved in building Wembley, said: "This magnificent stadium will be a wonderful memorial to the craftsmanship of the skilled workers who built the new Wembley. "We are proud of it and we are certain that Wembley will stage many dramatic and memorable events in the future." ITN: Wembley Keys to be Handed Over
  18. Yeah but I wanted Merlene Ottey to win... 47 years and still going strong!
  19. Wembley delays bring down chief The chief executive of Wembley stadium, Michael Cunnah, has paid the price for the delays, embarrassments and cost overruns that have plagued the project with his job. Cunnah has been eased out after four years in the position, and will be leaving Wembley National Stadium Limited, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Football Association, today. The FA group finance director, Alex Horne, will assume his responsibilities. Cunnah's departure had been widely anticipated ever since, earlier this year, Wembley were forced to scrap plans to hold the 2006 FA Cup final at the new stadium. The FA's chief executive, Brian Barwick, said: "Michael has made a hugely significant contribution to the development of the new Wembley Stadium project - we would like to thank him for all his hard work and wish him well in the future." The cost of the stadium rose to £793m after the FA was forced to agree an extra £36m payment to the builders Multiplex in October. The company is expected to hand over the keys in February before a series of events leading to the official opening for the FA Cup final on 19 May. "I am proud and delighted to have helped bring the Wembley dream to reality," Cunnah said in a statement. "It has been a privilege to assemble a dedicated team of people whose hard work, commitment and loyalty have brought Wembley Stadium to life. The stadium is now virtually complete and looks magnificent." An FA spokesman refused to comment when asked if Cunnah had been sacked - but it is understood the change was agreed by all the stakeholders involved, including the Government and Sport England. They will look to appoint a managing director for the stadium in the new year. Wembley is now moving out of the construction phase into the operational phase - plans to stage a concert in memory of Diana, Princess of Wales, in July were announced this week. Independent.co.uk: Wembley delays bring down chief
  20. Well, I know London certainly has it covered. Just bring in St John's Ambulance!
  21. Vancouver 2010: Mascot Artist Wanted This has probably been posted already, but who am I to check up these things?
  22. Great news as archery makes the schedule for the 2010 Commonwealth Games 21st November 2006 Archery has been added to the list of disciplines for the 2010 Commonwealth Games in New Delhi. It will be the first time since the Brisbane Games in 1982 that the sport will have been included in Commonwealth Games. Tennis has also been included among the 17 sports. The news follows a meeting of the Commonwealth Games Federation in Kuala Lumpur, where India also pushed for the addition of billiards and snooker, which were not approved. The decision has now been confirmed to officials of the Grand National Archery Society, the governing body of archery in Britain. "This is fantastic news, and I am so pleased," said David Sherratt, chief executive of the GNAS. "An enormous amount of hard work has gone on behind the scenes to make this happen, and FITA (the world governing body) lobbied both hard and enthusiastically to back up the support we had from India, who, as host nation, were able to nominate four sports they wanted included. "Just because we were nominated didn't mean we would automatically get accepted, we had to convince the Commonwealth Games authorities we were worthy, and happily that is precisely what has happened. It's another big step forward for our sport." Lynne Evans, chairman of the GNAS, said the news offered another opportunity for British archers to win medals at a major sporting competition, and would play a big part in the preparations for the London 2012 Olympics. "I'm delighted, both for archery as a sport, and for archers throughout the Commonwealth," she said. "This will be a wonderful opportunity for our archers, it will have an enormous impact on the ever increasing profile of our sport, and will help the development of the sport in certain countries. "It will also be a fantastic competition, there will be some world class archers taking part, and it will provide invaluable experience for British archers two years before the London Olympics. It will be a great opportunity for them." Brisbane '82 was archery's only previous inclusion in the Commonwealth Games schedule. England's Mark Blenkarne is the reigning - and the only - Commonwealth men's champion. No longer involved in competitive archery, he is a lawyer based in the outskirts of London. The only ever women's Commonwealth champion is Neroli Fairhall of New Zealand, who died earlier this year. Grand National Archery Society: Great news as Archery makes the schedule for the 2010 Commonwealth Games
  23. Word of advice. If you seriously want to plan and submit a proposal for any Olympic (or Commonwealth or whatever) Ceremony, don't publicly tell others your ideas.
  24. It is interesting and a good question, since the archeological descoveries were (at least partly) to blame for the delays in Athens.
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