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  1. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-us-canada-50840534
  2. Whilst not intending to sound like Paris is going to walk it, I have a hypothetical question: What if Paris had won 2012 and we were watching a race between London (with Brexit), Los Angeles (with Trump) and Budapest. Who do you think would win and why?
  3. An employment register next? It seems odd that a contract of employment with the bid city negates a need to register. Or subcontract to a registered company?
  4. In the Evaluation Commission reports, a lot of emphasis is put on the political support given to a bid - it's quite a big deal. As such, I wouldn't say Oslo are favourites at this stage. That doesn't mean things can't change, though.
  5. This is starting to get ridiculous... Are we seriously going to see Beijing Vs Almaty? Can't believe that this is a realistic prospect. Very disappointing...
  6. They would still need a better campaign than that in order to beat Edmonton. If they do, I don't see them bidding for 2024. Why do you think Istanbul won't make the shortlist?
  7. If Baku and Istanbul chose to bid, I'd be surprised to see either not make the short list (unless they suddenly put a terrible plan together or the European Games were a disaster). I also wouldn't be too quick to say Chicago don't want a Games - they're still interested and still bidding for stuff/ wanting to bid for stuff. I think if Durban gets the Commonwealth Games, it's unlikely we'll see them bid for 2024 as well (although they will very likely go for a later edition). Having said that, the current campaign of "we deserve the Commonwealth Games because Africa has never hosted" didn't work for Abuja and it won't work for Durban if they try to keep it up...
  8. So this was normally to be decided at the IOC Session in Sochi, then it was going to be 9th May and now it's looking like they'll make the decision at the Extraordinary Session in December... Still, it's better for democracy, I guess, if the entire IOC have a say rather than just the Executive Board as with FIFA (not to mention compliant with the Olympic Charter). I agree it should be the 130th or actually the 131st Session as not only is there the Extraordinary Session in Monaco, but there was one last year in Lausanne. There is no fast rule on having one Session per year - there are several years where the IOC have had two Sessions (that have been counted in the numbering), with the 114th Session in Cancun and the 115th Session in Prague - both in 2003. Don't know what is going on there.. They do give a report on the finance commission and the other commissions too, in a Session... the difference between a Session and a Congress is that.the Session is similar to a company AGM with the standard year to year business being discussed and only one plenary Session. IOC Members primarily take part in the Session with a honorary, honour members (when applicable and when invited by the President), the honorary President for Life (when applicable). A Congress is called to discuss how the Olympic Movement is to move forward as an organisation. There are several parallel meetings, as well as a plenary (which itself forms the Session). Honour members are automatically invited to Congresses (unlike the Session) and whilst there are IF and NOC representatives at the Session (on a consultative basis, usually at a Session it is people like the Presidents of ANOCA, ASOIF, AIOWF etc.), there is a larger number of representatives and general input from these groups.
  9. I would disagree. Things can happen, bids can withdraw (eg Bern in 2010, Rome in 2020, Stockholm in 2022), or things can happen to impede on the bid (New York's Stadium debacle in the 2012 race, Annecy's change of leadership on the 2018 - one could argue that they both were not going to win anyway, but these incidents derailed any chances they had). With PyeongChang having 70% of venues already built at the time of the 2014 election, few expected Sochi to pull it off with no venues built (not to mention huge environmental concerns), but it was exactly that reason that they used to help them win the bid (I'm not naive enough to even suggest that Putin's appearance didn't have an effect on the win, but I think it's not so cut and dry to suggest it was all down to him). Some bids such as Lviv might be easy to rule out at this stage, but others might suprise.
  10. Hilarious! I guess just before a referendum, they'll be quite sensitive towards things like that...
  11. These are just applicant city questions, I'm referring to the Candidate City "Candidature Files" that are published after the short list... and all the presentations they do in the run up to going to Kuala Lumpur (such as at SportAccord, in Monaco if they're given time to do so, all the various meetings, forums and Congresses like the EOC, PASO, Sport For All etc.).. Only then will we learn the running "theme" of the bid and know where the momentum is heading towards...
  12. Wow, that was certainly a long and somewhat entertaining read (this whole thread in one morning). I'd agree with the general gist of it: Possibly a three or four city short list which will very likely feature Oslo and Krakow, will likely feature either Beijing or Almaty or possibly even both - and will very unlikely feature Lviv. I'm not even going to speculate what will happen round by round in Kuala Lumpur at this point as the Bid Books haven't been published and the general concepts and motivation for bidding. Each bid has it's (fairly large) pitfalls as well as their strengths (I certainly don't think the IOC will entertain the idea of the Norwegian government trying to dictate the terms of the Host City contract). It is how strong the Oslo and Krakow bids present themselves as to whether three or four cities are short listed - if either of those to start to appear risky, it would be dangerous to only offer the option of one "insurance vote" in case of last minute withdrawals. I can see Beijing getting short listed but can't see them getting anywhere near hosting (in terms of past the first round in KL). When you are choosing a candidate for a job, you don't necessarily choose the best person for the job, but the person who fits what you are looking for the closest. It's the same with the Olympic and Paralympic Games. The IOC have a technical template for the Games. They want a high quality Games that the athletes will exceed themselves in and enjoy, that the public will support and that are work well in a realistic organisational template. They don't want to travel for hundreds of miles for hours on end between venues, they don't want athletes, officials and visiting spectators to have to face complicated visa application procedures. The Games need to be safe and secure, the country hosting them need to be able to afford them and not turn around half way through preparing and say "sorry, we can't afford them any more". But the IOC have other needs too. They are a sports organisation whose primary concern is the promotion of sport. The Games is by far their biggest product and promotional tool, so they want hosting cities to have a sporting legacy - in the city at the very minimum, preferably the country as a whole and ideally internationally as well. Granted, each host city has won due to a mix of numerous reasons, but London's winning message was the promise to "inspire a generation" to take up sport; Sochi claimed that hosting the Games was their only opportunity of building world class sports facilities for their athletes to train. They are also concerned about their brand: the more cities that end up with lots of white elephants, the fewer potential bidding cities are inclined to bid for the Games (therefore also possibly reducing the quality of the bids). We are living in different days to some of the bidding patterns of the past and sometimes it can be misguided to simply rely on voting patterns of twenty years ago or more. In times of austerity, the public are scrutinising more and there are no alpine cities bidding for the Games this time, largely due to the public's dissatisfaction with the Host City agreement. Sochi was unique in that they had to build everything from scratch - the fact that they built every venue plus athletes villages, volunteer villages and 24,000 hotel rooms, all in seven years, is an astounding and huge testament to their project. But even though the budget ballooned, it was still on a budget and most certainly on a deadline. This meant that some things were unfinished or built at the last minute, some things were built to a low standard of quality. We all remember the bobsledder punching through his toilet door... and in my apartment, which I shared with nine other volunteers, the toilet door wouldn't close properly, so you had to sit on the toilet with one hand on the door handle to ensure no one would walk in on you. I'm not saying it wasn't worth the - the incredible transformation of the city will be felt by generations to come. Some of it was maybe far fetched - there were a number of apartment blocks advertised for sale with signed "Investors wanted". With the lack of international flights, strict visa regimes, it would be naive to think people will suddenly start flocking to Sochi in years to come. Would the IOC entertain such an experimental bid in future? I doubt it... So a much as I would like to speculate in great detail about who might win at this stage, it's just way too early to even think about... but as time goes on and we here more from the different bids, I'm sure we'll start to get an idea.
  13. Haha, very good. On a serious note, though - it's strange that there has been no southern hemisphere bids for 2022. NZ wanted to bid a while back but were categorically told "no" due to the clash with the FIFA World Cup and the reasons described in the above (albeit joke) article. One would have thought this would have been the perfect opportunity. I'd have thought that a South American city in Argentina or Chile or somewhere might too have expressed an interest...
  14. Spanner in the works/ political can of worms: It may be true to say the UK has hosted a lot recently, but Glasgow might not be a part of the UK by then...
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