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  1. Rob, you forget that Coe has been IAAF vice president already for eight years. So he has been part of the IAAF system for a considerable period already, of that very system he now so self-righteously defended. And it doesn't matter to me whether someone has been financially or "only" morally corrupt, whether he has been corrupt for 20 years or only for 8 - corruption is corruption. In this case, Coe seems at least morally corrupt to me. And he was not harsh about "some media reports" but about the very reporters by ARD and the Sunday Times who made those revelations. And those reporters never
  2. But that "total bastard" does clearly not show any signs that he draws the right conclusions from the doping revelations. Instead he denies that IAAF is failing big time with its so-called "anti-doping measures". Especially at a time when a doping cheat like Justin Gatlin is able to take part in international competition again - and runs suspiciously good times for a man of his age. Just like zekekelso said, of course it must be a lot more than only a third of all middle and long distance medal winners. But we all know from the past anyway that sprinting and also the other track and field disc
  3. At a time when world athletics are heading for (or maybe are already right in the middle of it) a doping crisis comparable to world cycling's crisis after the Fuentes revelations in 2006, Beijing is hosting the IAAF World Championships - and the election of the new IAAF president. Maybe we can collect our thoughts and new developments regarding these three topics (which are actually closely linked) in this thread. Here are my thoughts for now: Of course I always knew that athletics, one of the sports I actually cherish a lot, might be much more affected and infected by doping than the occasi
  4. A beautiful video - the pictures of London's ignited cauldron "assembling" together with that emotional music really sent chills up my spine. It was a really iconic moment in Olympic history!
  5. And probably not only NBC but also the European broadcasters. That way, we'll get four years of Olympic events taking place either at night (=the morning events at the Games) or in the morning and at noon (=the evening events). But ARD and ZDF here in Germany mostly dealt with previous Games in Asia and Australia by putting on an extensive summary of the day's events at primetime. I wonder whether Eurosport, the new primary broadcaster of the Olympic Games in Europe, will do the same.
  6. Haha, that might also explain why there were only 84 IOC members voting this time. Or what was the reason for that? It's the lowest number of voting members since Lillehammer got elected the 1994 host in 1988.
  7. Well, that's a bit nit-picking. Fact is that Asia has a strong record on shorttrack, as can be seen in the medals won. Shorttrack is rather an Asian than a European or North American sport. And I'm still in doubt about whether Olympic Games can change everything. Pyeongchang will be a litmus test for that, in a country that has no tradition in most Olympic winter sports. I think that Olympic Games can be beneficial for a sports nation in general and can strengthen sports that were overlooked earlier (Great Britain is a good example for that - they spent a lot of money for their athletes ahead
  8. I read it, but it doesn't really contradict what I just wrote. It's hard to deny that Almaty with its compact venue plan, its higher number of existing (and used) venues and its natural snow (as opposed to the environmentally crazy "only artifical snow" festival in Beijing) would have been more in line with Agenda 2020, even if Agenda 2020 was written only in the middle of the 2022 bid race.
  9. Come on, I was only talking about three sports on the Winter Olympic roster. Shorttrack, on the other hand, is a very Asian sport. So it's silly to talk about "regional European/North American Games".
  10. Then the IOC would have to scrap almost all sports from the Olympic schedule. There are always sports which are not (or only scarcely) practised in all the 200+ countries forming the IOC. However, as long as they are sports which are practised in a considerable number of countries around the globe (and luge, bobsleigh and skeleton are such sports, with a strong tradition in large parts of Europe and North America), they are legitimate sports in the Olympic schedule. Well, at least Almaty would have been more of an commitment to Agenda 2020 than Beijing is.
  11. I wouldn't count on two cities who were already kicked out of their respective bid races by their citizens. Switzerland seems to be very tough ground for an Olympic bid these days (maybe apart from a bid for the considerably smaller Youth Olympics ). Honestly, I expect that now that Beijing has won, it will be even tougher to find decent (or even any) bids for the succeeding Winter Games.
  12. The baseball and softball venues of Beijing 2008 didn't start a tradition for those sports in China either (and yes, it was the same in Greece after the 2004 Games). Maybe one should be a bit realistic and admit (also to oneself) that some sports can't be forced unto a nation and that there will always be sports for which no tradition can be created. And for doing "Let's start a tradition" experiments, building and maintaining a luge track is a bit too expensive (also for the environment).
  13. I'm asking legitimate questions well in line with Agenda 2020, and you call me and others who ask those questions selfish? Sad to see that even seven years after the Beijing Games, issue-reƶated discussions with Chinese members of this board are impossible.
  14. Speaking of tracks... How about my question about the luge track Beijing 2022 wants to build, although your country has no luge tradition whatsoever - and how does that fit into Agenda 2020 (just to name one of several examples)?
  15. But to be fair, in this race the IOC only had the choice between the devil and the deep blue sea, regarding human rights. Kazakhstan is far from being a saint either.
  16. In a second bid race, you mean? Just like Roger87, I think that if Almaty couldn't beat a dreadful Beijing bid, it will most certainly not beat a strong bid by an European contender (if there will be any, that is) in the future.
  17. I don't think so that I misunderstood the Agenda. What is sustainable about, for instance, building a luge track in a nation that has no luge tradition whatsoever?
  18. If you find building most venues from scratch, using tons of artificial snow in an already damaged environment and a lack of winter sports tradition "logical", then so be it.
  19. So the IOC clearly decided against its own Agenda 2020, for a city (or rather two) which will have to spend a loooooot more than currently calculated, in an artificial surrounding with artificial snow. I'm really gutted. Money and influence have won yet again. Now they'll get even less bids for future Olympic Games. Well done, IOC! Not.
  20. Oh my gosh, did previous IOC sessions also have such tourist commercials for the session host country? That's really shameless
  21. Lausanne - not quite a surprise. The IOC had the choice between an internationally unknown Romanian city and its own headquarter city. Hmmm, tough choice
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