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  1. Since we didn't get news about construction activities at its final location near the port yet (with only three months to go), I don't think that it will be a very elaborate cauldron that needs a lot of construction. Remember: When the Vancouver Games were only three months away, cauldron construction works were already underway at Jack Poole Plaza. Sochi's cauldron was also in the making (or even already finished) with three months to go. Maybe they are currently pre-fabricating all necessary parts at some secret location and can easily transport them to the final location and assemble them t
  2. "It's impossible to have two cauldrons"? Well, ask Vancouver - they even had up to three (during the closing ceremonies: the one within BC Place, the one in downtown Vancouver and the one in Whistler). Moving it to a non-competition site is really a premiere in Summer Olympic history, and the TV broadcasts and photos from the track and field competition will look somewhat empty without a flame burning in front of, behind or above the athletes. This is a disappointing choice in my view. And I ask myself whether they will move the cauldron back to Maracana for the closing ceremony or whether the
  3. Oh dear... I'm sure that quite a few cheating athletes and officials popped a few bottles of champagne yesterday... Or should I say: Shampanskoye....?
  4. Let's sum up the current state of affairs: Russia's track and field athletes already got banned from 2016, the boss of the Russian wrestling association muses about retracting his athletes from Rio 2016 due to a big number of doping revelations in his team, a Times report hints that there was/is systematic doping also in Russia's swimming team and also Russia's tennis star Maria Sharapova has created nasty doping headlines. I think the IOC now seriously have to think about banning Russia from Rio 2016 (at the very least) altogether.
  5. Don't worry, Baron. You will get some nice (if not even great) ceremonies to see this summer - and we, the rest, will get to see some nice ceremonies and some exciting sporting action. But I guess your question was meant ironically anyway.
  6. Of course it's too late to change the whole ceremonial concept altogether - and I guess they simply need all those volunteers for the ceremonies now. But it raises the question whether it's always necessary to have that many volunteers/performers for the ceremonies and whether they could even use the same volunteers for different purposes/acts during the ceremonies. Of course this is challenging and they have a big infield to fill at such kind of ceremonies. But is it really impossible to do it low-key in terms of staff numbers and still impressive in terms of visual effect? That said, I mus
  7. This is also a non-Olympic event, but from the top of my head I remember that they seemed to have some problems with the audio system before the group match France vs. Honduras at the 2014 FIFA World Cup. They couldn't play any of the two national anthems, and some spectators sang the anthems nevertheless. And I bet it happened many, many other times in sports history - also at Olympic Games. Even if I don't remember a precise occasion at the Olympics where that happened. I suppose that during the recent editions of the Games (let's say, since the year 2000), who are usually prepared and cond
  8. Hmm, I would disagree with you there, TorchbearerSydney. I found that John Furlong's speeches at the Vancouver 2010 Olympics, Sebastian Coe's closing speech at the London 2012 Olympics and Thomas Bach's opening speech at the Sochi 2014 Olympics left a mark in some regard. Furlong's and Coe's speeches were humane and warm and were also a shift from the usual "we did it... here we are... welcome everybody" blah-blah. And Bach's speech was a remarkable one because it contained a strong statement in favour of tolerance (also towards LGBT people) and thus contained even a bit of criticism towards P
  9. Maybe they got the numbers wrong. Or they want to try something new indeed for the Summer Games by letting the athletes be a part (or at least only a witness) of the pageantry as well. Maybe they'll use more aerial stunts then and reduce the dancing and the other stuff to the running track or maybe even include the stands (they can do some performances in the aisles)? But as I said, this might be a wrong information after all and we will see the classical Summer Games opening ceremony with most of the pageantry taking place before the parade of nations. 1.5 hours for those few protocol elemen
  10. Very true, Roger. Olympic Games (maybe even in a somewhat scaled down "Agenda 2020" size) are probably a bit too big for a rather small country like Hungary with all its economic, social and now even political hardships. And regarding what you, stryker and FYI, said about the lack of a referendum in Paris and the other cities: Well, that doesn't necessarily mean that Thomas Bach can sleep well now. Boston had no referendum either - but bad polls and bad karma, and therefore already pulled out of the race. Who says that this couldn't happen to the other cities as well on that long stretch unti
  11. Sorry to read about all this, Martin. But as Ripley already said: Maybe those more existential things put a thing like the defeat in the Olympic referendum into perspective again. In the end, there are more important and significant things in life than the hosting of Olympic Games. Of course it would have been a great experience and a very important push for Hamburg, sports in Germany and Germany as a country altogether. But in the end, life will go on in Hamburg and in Germany. And in a way, sadly, one even gets used to those defeats if they take place repeatedly (the IOC vote in Durban in 20
  12. Since when do such regimes stand no chance in IOC host city elections? Budapest sure is a weak candidate also in the eyes of the IOC, but most probably not for political reasons.
  13. Sure, especially Italy is a weak(ened) contender, regarding its political and economical problems, as well. But I think that compared to the USA, France's current problems are particularly grave. They'll even have some very difficult presidential and parliamentary elections only weeks before the 2024 host city election, with most probably a change of power and Front National probably making massive inroads. Okay, the US could have a president named Donald Trump by that time (just kidding - hopefully...), but that's a different matter. But leaving the current problems aside: The main point I
  14. That's a cheap party-political attack, plusbrillantsexploits. The DOSB boss is still Alfons Hörmann, and even in his case, I wouldn't call for personal consequences. If any, many people (including the local officials in Hamburg) are to blame for this defeat. But must of all, the general circumstances are to blame, as I pointed out above. In this hostile climate against the hosting of major sports events, even people of the likes of Peter Ueberroth wouldn't have won the referendum.
  15. I just want to remind you all of the 2022 bid race, when the population of Munich 2022's bid region said no as well: Many of us thought that Oslo now had the Games in its bag. You know how the story ended. I already didn't share the "Now Paris has to bid more than ever and now its chances of winning are higher than ever" sentiment after the Paris terrorist attacks. And now I doubt even more that France, which has so many problems to face currently (not only the terror threat but also the rise of Front National and the demise of the current government, the never-ending economical and debt cris
  16. Very true. As I pointed out in the Hamburg 2024 thread, I see that danger, too. Hamburg's voters have not only dealt a heavy blow against their own nation's prospects of hosting the Olympic Games, but sent also a very strong message to other democratic countries bidding for the Games or other major sports events.
  17. Very well said, Nacre. Things have changed a lot indeed within the last 10 or 15 years. I remember very well how in 2003, when Vancouver won the 2010 Games, Olympic Games still could create some "prestige thinking" and anticipation also within the populations of the respective bid cities and regions, also in Germany. Back then, five German cities (Düsseldorf, Frankfurt, Leipzig, Stuttgart and - poignantly - Hamburg) bid in a national pre-selection for hosting the 2012 Summer Games. And even if some of those bids were actually overblown and ridiculous ideas, the high participation in that race
  18. Gosh, heaven, no! Apart from Berlin being an even bigger stronghold of "NOlympia" activists and supporters: That date 2036 would create even worse headlines and opinions for and about a new German Olympic bid. If Germany wants anything, then certainly not some sort of "Berlin 1936 Memorial Games", even if they would follow totally different intentions.
  19. And to add something: I'm not even sure whether it was a good idea to launch a new German Olympic bid so soon after the Munich 2022 disaster. I think that DOSB (the German NOC) and all other officials should have taken a longer hiatus from Olympic bids and offering the German people a chance to stand back and watch how other Olympic bids fare, especially under the (hopefully) positive consequences of the IOC's Agenda 2020. The German officials wanted too much too soon. Maybe, but still it would have probably been defeated quite crushingly.
  20. I must say that I had quite bad feelings already before this referendum, with the opinion polls showing dwindling support for the 2024 bid and the unclear financing, especially the not really helpful attitude of the federal government. So it's disappointing but not a major surprise to me that the no camp mobilised its supporters better today and will probably carry victory in Hamburg. And as Daze said it: I really see very dwindling chances that we will ever experience Olympic Games in Germany in our lifetimes. Most certainly, there will be no Olympic Games on German soil within the next 20,
  21. We are not even sure whether Andy/Scotguy stated his real name on Facebook. The strange thing is that we discovered a second Facebook profile under a wholly different name with some of the pictures he used on his "original" Facebook profile. So that doesn't necessarily mean that Andy was a faker, but the person behind the second Facebook profile can very well have stolen the pics from Andy's profile. However, this only shows that there's quite a mysterious and confusing situation around Scotguy. But if anyone of you had ever met him in person or at least knew where he might be, this would shed
  22. Thanks for the hint, Alex. But then I ask myself why Andy has kept his profiles on Facebook as well as here. He has simply gone inactive, but his profiles still exist and if any criminal would like to get personal information about him, that person might still check out Andy's profiles (even if I ask myself how much information a criminal can get from there, the information that can be found there is probably not very useful).
  23. Hello everyone, Martin (Citius Altius Fortius) and I have been wondering for several months now where our forum buddy Andy, known here as "Scotguy" (http://www.gamesbids.com/forums/user/1598-scotguy/), has gone. He hasn't been active here on these boards since August and on his private Facebook profile, he hasn't even been active since May. He has never replied to or even read direct messages by Martin and me on Facebook and GamesBids. So be both wondered whether anyone of you has a personal contact to Andy/"Scotguy" and knows whether he is alright. Any hint is appreciated! Correction: So *
  24. JO2024, I and probably everyone else on this board feels very much for you and your fellow Parisians and all who were affected by yesterday's attacks. I hope that you and your city will recover quickly and continue life, since this is the best way of showing the terrorists that they can't break us. But of course, it's maybe easily said from a distance, without those horrible pictures right in front of my door, but only in my television or on my computer. In any case: We are with you! And thank you for your thoughtful words about the whole refugee topic.
  25. Apology accepted. But as Stefan already has said: We should not make fear or advisor. This week, former German chancellor Helmut Schmidt died at the age of 96. And he had to deal with several severe crises in his time as a politician as well - including the terrorism by the radical left Red Army Faction. What helped him in dealing with those crises was that he remained as calm as possible, analysed the situation and made rational, well-considered decisions. Of course he was frightened as well, he said that he feared the deaths of all passengers when Palestinian terrorists hijacked the Lufthans
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