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  1. Careful, Sir Baron . . . you are right . . . my 'gut' DOES tell me plenty & I've heard the little green guys are coming to beam you up as a specimen . . . secretly. . . I'll bet you like my UFO - fess up - you've missed me and at least you are witty.
  2. In the meantime . . . . Some of us were invited guest to the opening BC Place - when it was a facility for taxpayers to be proud of - when the washrooms, dome, isles etc. were CLEAN. Little wonder they have been tainted with 'dirt' with this crew in charge???? Now . . . to posters like Baron . . . who do not understand the 'innards' of British Columbia's circle of wheeling dealing & who's who . . . this will go over their heads. For others that who are astute and perhaps close to the inside, but hold ethics on their agenda and see the 'elephant in the room' in British Columbia - this will mean A LOT with the 'players' involved Pondering . . . . Could it be there is a hidden agenda? . . . . let BC Place explode, as you suggest and/or let it fall into such disrepair so then this little group could use it for development purposes and rebuild with their vested interest agenda fuelling the events (hmmmm - that Torch you mentioned LOL). This 'Insiders Game' is becoming increasing obvious to many British Columbians (N.B. please refer to Vanoc/Callaghan Valley Nordic Scandal thread - conflicts of interests etc. re: VANOC) Come to think about it - WHO is in charge of BC Place? None other than David Podmore, the President of Jack Poole's Concert Properties who controls VANOC, (vested interests you say????). Gee . . . isn't he the same guy who was in charge of Venue Development for the Bid Stage and the Referendum for the 2010 Bid in Vancouver (what happened to everyone outside of Vancouver who is having to foot the bills?????) being passed the ball in this VANOC 'game' re: the sinking in red ink Trade & Convention Centre (taxpayers start weeping NOW) that lobbyist Ken Dobell was in charge of for his pal the Premier, before he was investigated with fingers in all the pies, replaced by buddy Dave????? And isn't Dobell the same guy on the Board of VANOC and 2010 LEGACIES NOW . . . . who just resigned from the 'Lay Bencher' post on the BC Law Society???? Do you think - given that Poole's/Podmore's Concert Properties actually put in a Bid to build the Athletes Village in Vancouver (blinded by arrogance perhaps? then withdrew when it was 'outed' that when Podmore spoke recently of developing the land around BC Place that he & his associates were salivating???? Too bad the real estate market is plummeting . . the best laid plans can go awry . . . . Isn't this the same group of pals that lobbyist Patrick Kinsella is 'in bed with' now with a breaking scandal of his own surrounding his 'consulting company' LOL that has been greasing the skids re: VANOC? Breaking scandal: http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=40efeb6f-63b7-46a7-b66f-c7c2f5f276dc Isn't Kinsella a consultant of record for Concert Properties working directly with Poole, Podmore, Dobell re: Vanoc and much, much more as we are learning? (Read: $$$$$$$$) Hmmmmm - it pays to keep one's eyes & ears wide open LOL. Carry on, jamie25.
  3. WELCOME, jamie25! Thoroughly enjoyed your TRUTH!! So will the silent majority that are interested in reading the bigger picture surrounding VANOC & the BC Lib/Campbell circle of bandits that have manipulated the assets of BC for their own vested interests - enough already. There are a few of us posters here who have found their voices. How refreshing to have your participation outside of the handful of the usual little group of 'drink their own bathwater' media monitors - just ignore them . . . they will tire of themselves.
  4. Oh, I couldn't resist posting this little CBC article from 2002 where the BC Liberal President protests too much that there is no selling of "access" re: big bag man Kinsella dealings back then - how the worm turns . . . . I wonder how Mr. Reichart is feeling this week <H1 class=headline>B.C. Libs deny they're selling access to government</H1><H4 class=lastupdated>Last Updated: Monday, August 12, 2002 | 11:00 PM ET </H4><H5 class=byline>CBC News </H5>The British Columbia Liberal party is making no apologies for a fundraising letter suggesting $10,000 will get the "undivided attention" of key cabinet ministers. The letter went out to major public relations firms in Vancouver inviting them to a luncheon. But when news of the letter's contents got out, the luncheon was cancelled. It was supposed to take place at a restaurant in one of the city's exclusive waterfront hotels. Patrick Kinsella B.C. Liberal party fundraiser Patrick Kinsella and about a dozen principals from Vancouver's biggest PR firms were scheduled to attend. But the lunch was called off after CBC News obtained a copy of the letter that accompanied the invitation. The letter, from Kinsella, tells PR firms the communications sector hasn't paid its share. It suggests a $10,000 cheque would demonstrate the firms' support for the government. Kelly Reichert It also suggests the $10,000 could buy an intimate lunch or dinner with a key cabinet minister for important clients. B.C. Liberal party executive director Kelly Reichert denies accusations the party is selling access to the government. "We've been very clear to all the people that seek donations, and all the people that give donations, that all they should expect to get from that is that they're going to get better government." Reichert says there is nothing unusual about a political party soliciting donations from the communications sector, or any other sector. Joy MacPhail Jean Cormier of Cormier Communications agrees. His firm was one of the companies to receive the letter. "When you go to political functions and you make a donation to the party obviously you get to rub shoulders with some of the people who are in the party and in the government," he said. B.C. NDP Leader Joy MacPhail says the intention of the letter is obvious. "It's sort of like when someone says, 'You know it's not about the money,' you know it's about the money. And when someone goes and says, 'It's not about access,' you know darn well it's about access." Reichert said Monday's event was cancelled simply because not enough people were available to attend. He says the meeting has been postponed until the fall.
  5. You got that right, Province Editors. . . where have you been Canwest when so many knew, so much for so long! Why did a small media outlet have to out the truth? (asked with tongue firmly planted in cheek) Nothing like being caught with your pants down - you know . . . Canwest Global being a huge sponsor with their pals in Vanoc and Govt. re: media rights For that matter, why haven't "the Media Monitor/Vanoc PR posters here reported on this scandal - gee, let me name the reasons LOL . . . . Man, the whiff of of the rot within Vanoc's cozy, inside dealings and coverups re: their inside 'games' (Hasn't Kinsella been quoted as saying he's Poole's best bud, and Campbell's top bagman????) with their tight little circle threaded with the upper tiers of the Campbell Liberal Govt. . . . is becoming "I told you so" far & wide. How has this been kept under the radar for Now about that Vanoc/Callaghan Valley Nordic Scandal . . . . . . . with a "foot in Vanoc" according to Mark Jiles in the FOI documents released in Washington . . . I'd sure like to see the "insider's" sticky fingers on that one!! What else has been suppressed & and by whom? Too close for comfort The Province Friday, June 06, 2008 Columnist Michael Smyth raises disturbing questions about the lobbying activities of two of Campbell's political buddies -- Patrick Kinsella and Mark Jiles. Kinsella co-chaired the B.C. Liberal election campaign in both 2001 and 2005 -- when Jiles was Campbell's personal campaign manager in Vancouver-Point Grey. The two are now in business together at the Progressive Group, a Vancouver-based government-relations company. One of their clients has been the Washington State government, which is helping Americans cash in on opportunities afforded by the 2010 Winter Olympics. In a resumé they had to supply to the state, Kinsella and Jiles boast about their long list of clients -- and of the "strong relationships" they have with both B.C. cabinet ministers Colin Hansen, Kevin Falcon and Olga Ilich and federal cabinet minister David Emerson. As Smyth points out, the problem is that Kinsella has never registered as a lobbyist -- and Jiles did not register as one for the work listed on the resumé. A public investigation is obviously needed. Lobbying the government is a lucrative and murky business. That's why there should be clear rules governing it -- and stiff penalties if they are broken.
  6. For some reason the article: SENIOR LIBERAL AIDES IN NEW CONTROVERSY got cut off the above post. Here is the link: http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/sto...83-7c9d2e626313
  7. Well, well, back to topic boys & girls . . . . . . BREAKING SCANDAL - something tells me that there is ,much more to come with the long tentacles that this club/cabal has grown over the years. Seems that there are all sorts of "Insider games" being played out by this circle under the radar, including VANOC. Re: the Vanoc/Callaghan Valley Scandal, we learned via the media articles posted on this thread, that Minister David Emerson was named as a 'player' from his days as Dep. Min. to Premier VanderZalm re: the scandal of how the sole, legal proponent was derailed after winning the rights to develop a multi billion dollar private sector ski resort according to government due process - by the Premier & Land bureaucrats for their friends. Many of the named players in the derailment, including the former Govt. AG lawyer and Land bureaucrats & Nordic friend are now linked to Vanoc and the Callaghan Valley. Hmmmmm - got me pondering linkages on the heals of this scandal surrounding Patrick Kinsella & Vanoc . . . Min. Emerson's name pops up here, again, connected to Patrick Kinsella - members of the 'club' with Poole, Dobell, former Dep to Premier Campbell and Jiles etc It is commonly known that Kinsella works tete to tete with Poole and his company Concert Properties controlling Vanoc all working closely with Min. Emerson holding fund raisers etc. and now we see offering "access" to all his pals for $$$$$$$. Oh what a tangled web we weave . . . . So who else in this 'circle' was involved in the Vanoc Callaghan Valley Scandal & the coverup with high profile names involved linked to the BC Govt. and Vanoc? Who knows what? Who covered for whom and for what vested interests? I smell a rat's nest as my friends & I have for a long time. According to a source this bunch are looking over their shoulders . . .waiting for the next shoe to drop because of other files they have had their paws on. Thanks to many astute bloggers sharing information on how this little group operate, passing the ball to one another, with their own rules outside of due process; all in harmony in their VERY prosperous playpen, feeding their vested interests, at the expense of all the rest of the taxpayers but behind closed doors - all linked to every major initiatives of the Campbell BC Liberal Govt. That old saying that: "Nothing covered up will remain covered" seems to be at play." Fascinating to watch it all unravel. Now we see how the circle operates in the shadows surrounding lucrative contracts, wheeling & dealing within Vanoc. It is not the Olympics that is tainted - it is the players & how they operate. <STRONG>SENIOR LIBERAL AIDES IN NEW CONTROVERSY
  8. Word has it, Baron, that the little green guys are leaving Texas to sample some of the specimens from this site . . . . . . maybe Fisher. BTW, Happy Valentines Day to you & Kendegra.
  9. Well. . . . . . I dunno, Kendegra - if the price is right . . . . Do we all get paid like all of the civil servants that are being forced to 'volunteer' by Czar Campbell for his pet project - after the big bombshell dropped today - quite the definition of 'volunteer' isn't it? Now we know what swelled the ranks of the volunteers How about you?
  10. Here's a short little 'ramble' just for you, Fisher . . . I have every confidence even you, will be able to grasp: "I refuse to enter a battle of wits with an unarmed man." - unknown Hang in there, my friend - get a grip . . . . unravel your knickers. Everything is going to be OK. I am worried about you . . . .
  11. So Canuckfan, just for fun, I took your lead & googled the words you did, which of course turned up the recent discussion on this board along other sites posting the BIV articles plus the Pique articles. Interesting to note that all of the huge articles on this scandal up until a few years ago, printed prior to CanWest taking over both major papers in BC & all of the smaller community papers, have now been sanitized from the Internet & inaccessible in archives. Why aren't they reporting the big opening of the RCMP file now or doesn't it suit their private agendas? But, alas, your tip uncovered a front page story I remember well (which included a dramatic picture of the powder bowls in the Callaghan Valley that would be opened up at private sector cost by the sole proponent for this resort . . . . all being discussed with great excitement across the country over in Vermont - clearly ecstatic with the prospects of a massive new Alpine Resort coming onstream for the Olympics. Soak up these words with the descriptionthen go back to my questions above to put things in context. Just how did the Callaghan suddenly switch to a Nordic facility & who is behind it?????? Everyone is raving about the conditions of the Callaghan Valley. Looks like the Hartwicks as the winning proponent were ahead of everyone. So what happened???? Pretty obvious why the RCMP have reopened this hot scandal!!!!!! SKIVT-L Archives View: Next Message | Previous Message Next in Topic | Previous in Topic Next by Same Author | Previous by Same Author Chronologically | Most Recent First Proportional Font | Monospaced Font Options: Join or Leave SKIVT-L <A href="http://209.85.173.104/cgi-bin/wa?P1&D=0&L=skivt-l&T=0">Reply | Post New Message Search Archives Subject:Possible new ski area in BC (no Vt content)From:Geoff Devine <[log in to unmask]>Reply-To:Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports <[log in to unmask]>Date:Wed, 12 May 1999 18:44:46 -0400Content-Type:text/plain From today's (May 12, 1999) Vancouver Courier: Powder Blues Picture it: a resort five times bigger than Whistler, endless dry powder and twice as much snow as the dream season of 19999, not to mention golf courses, mountain biking, hiking, horseback riding and sailing. It's Powder Mountain Resort -- well, maybe. Next Monday, one of the longest-running dramas in B.C. history will come to a head in B.C. Supreme Court. Nan and daughter Diane Hartwick of Powder Mountain Resorts Inc. have been fighting for the right to develop Powder Mountain for 20 years. Powder Mountain towers over the Callaghan Valley, an area two and a half times the size of Whistler-Blackcomb, some 20 kilometers southwest of Whistler Village. Glaciers adorn the five mountain peaks-- Powder, Brandywine, Callaghan, Cayley and Metal Dome -- that encircle the 18,000-hectacre valley. A rough logging road leads to the valley from Highway 99, where signs point to Mad River cross-country ski area. <snip about 5 columns of text> Wow! 5 times bigger than Whistler-Blackcomb? That would put it in the class of Val d'Isere/Tignes, Les Trois Valles, or the Arlberg. There's some chance it could be up and running by the 2010 Winter Olympics. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - SkiVt-L is brought to you by the University of Vermont.
  12. For ease of reference, given this thread is so long, here are the key recent newspaper articles where key points are underlined: Business in Vancouver August 14-20, 2007; Issue 929 Powder Mountain ski resort controversy exhumed in lead-up to 2010 Olympics- West Vancouver mother/daughter duo hoping RCMP investigation will get to bottom of Callaghan Valley dispute 2010 Gold Rush 130 weeks until opening of the 2010 Winter Olympics . An Expo 86-era scandal may live again on the road to 2010. The RCMP is reviewing new evidence surrounding the aborted Powder Mountain ski resort in the Callaghan Valley near Whistler. Proponents Nan and Dianne Hartwick, a mother-daughter West Vancouver duo, hope RCMP will investigate how and why the Callaghan is becoming a $120 million, taxpayer-funded Nordic sports venue for the 2010 Winter Olympics. RCMP Commercial Crimes Insp. Kevin deBruyckere confirmed that a review is underway to determine whether to launch an investigation. "We're going to the wall on this," said Dianne Hartwick, "because we know that project was stolen from us." Hartwick-owned Powder Mountain Resorts won a 1985 public call for proposals and gained approval in principle from government. Forests and Lands Minister Jack Kempf claimed Premier Bill Vander Zalm told him in 1987 to "cease and desist" with the Hartwicks and favour Callaghan Resorts Inc., which was backed by ex-Social Credit attorney general Les Peterson. The B.C. Court of Appeal refused to overturn the B.C. Supreme Court's 1999 dismissal of the Hartwicks' breach of contract and abuse of office lawsuit. A special prosecutor's criminal investigation was halted in 2003, just three weeks before Vancouver was elected 2010 host at the International Olympic Committee session in Prague. Because of insufficient evidence, no charges were laid. The Hartwicks had visions of the Callaghan Valley becoming the sequel to Whistler. It's remained an under-promoted playground for cross-country skiers and snowmobilers. Brad Sills' Callaghan Country Wilderness Adventures opened a Nordic lodge there in 1998, just in time for the Canadian Olympic Committee's selection of the Vancouver-Whistler bid over proposals from Calgary and Quebec City. Sills was an early campaigner for Olympic ski jumping, cross-country skiing, biathlon and Nordic combined to be held in the Callaghan. Critics said West Vancouver's Cypress Bowl could've been 2010's temporary Nordic site for much less. The Callaghan won't displace Calgary as the national training centre, but it could someday be what Cypress can't be: a four-season destination resort with all the amenities enjoyed up the road in Whistler. The Hartwicks haven't given up their dream. They claim backing from 75 private investors. Former Olympic downhill skier Todd Brooker is their vice-president of resort development. "We're not against the Olympics; we're against what has happened," Dianne Hartwick said. Where are they now Who were the players in the Powder Mountain saga in the 1980s and where are they now? Nan and Dianne Hartwick: Then: mother and daughter duo active in real estate with Social Credit party connections. Had provincial government approval to turn Powder Mountain in the Callaghan Valley into a ski resort until Premier Bill Vander Zalm intervened on behalf of a former attorney general. Now: still trying. Bill Vander Zalm: Then: Social Credit B.C. premier from 1986 to 1991. Resigned after Fantasy Gardens conflict of interest affair. Now: retired. Jack Kempf: Then: maverick Social Credit MLA for Omineca. Appointed lands minister by then-premier Bill Bennett in 1986 and assumed the same role in Vander Zalm's cabinet until he was fired in 1987 over a travel expenses scandal. Died July 1, 2003. David Emerson: Then: Vander Zalm's deputy minister. Now: federal Conservative minister responsible for the 2010 Games. Colin McIver: Then: attorney general's ministry lawyer. Now: partner with Fraser Milner Casgrain. Represented VANOC in Callaghan Valley Nordic venue development. Jack Hall: Then: Burnaby regional land office director. Later became vice-president of development and marketing for Land and Water B.C., the lead agency providing Crown land and water resources to VANOC. Now: director of Property Assessment Appeal Board and Real Estate Foundation of B.C. George McKay: Then: was alpine ski development project manager for LWBC predecessor B.C. Assets and Lands Corporation in 1990s. Became director of the Callaghan Valley Master Plan during 2010 bid stage. Now: VANOC's director of environmental approvals. Also listed in B.C. Government Directory as tourism ministry's manager of special projects. 2010goldrush@gmail.com August 24/07 article from the Whistler Pique: RCMP reviewing Callaghan Valley dispute, again Powder Mountain Resorts hopes investigation will uncover past conflicts of interest, revive ski resort plans By Andrew Mitchell The proponents of Powder Mountain Resorts got a boost last week with confirmation that the RCMP is reviewing the facts of their case with an eye toward reopening an investigation into how their resort proposal was quashed 20 years ago. Several other recreation tenures in the Callaghan Valley — site of the Nordic Centre for 2010 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games — have since been awarded. Business in Vancouver magazine reported the newest developments last week, and according to Nan Hartwick — who co-owns Powder Mountain Resorts with daughter Dianne — the possibility of a new investigation was welcome news. "This is the third time that the RCMP have taken up this investigation, but this time, because of all the terrible conflicts of interest everywhere, we think this is something that should move ahead," she said. "We went through three different public proposal calls until we won the third one clearly. Now our lawyer is joining us for a meeting with the new provincial ombudsman to give him our information, and all the proven details. We haven't spent 20-some-odd years for nothing." At the heart of the Hartwicks' complaint is the province's decision to award development rights to Callaghan Resorts in 1987, two years after Powder Mountain Resorts was the sole company to answer a request for proposal process to develop the area. According to Nan Hartwick the Forest Minister was about to approve their application when it was quashed by cabinet. The province said they quashed the Powder Mountain proposal over doubts that the Hartwicks had sufficient financial backing, which Hartwick says was not the case. At the time they had more than 75 investors behind them, all of which continue to back Powder Mountain to this day. Instead, the Hartwicks allege that cronyism was at play, and that then-Premier Bill Vander Zalm intervened on behalf of a friend who was involved in Callaghan Resorts. What has followed is more than 20 years of legal wrangling, lawsuits and appeals that have so far been unsuccessful. During that period the province has issued several land use tenures in the Callaghan Valley — including Callaghan Country, Powder Mountain Catskiing and Canadian Snowmobile Adventures — and aided in the establishment of the Whistler Nordic Centre as a venue for the 2010 Games. All of it is illegal, according to Nan Hartwick, who asserts that Powder Mountain had an agreement in principle with the province. "It's very important to repeat that we are not against the Olympics," she said. "We do think it's important for taxpayers to know that we never did ask for any government money, and we could have saved millions of dollars that were spent illegally in the Lower Callaghan Valley. We had the rights from the government, in documentation, to develop the entire valley, and still hold those rights." Hartwick believes that her resort could have hosted some of the Nordic events on privately funded facilities, or that the events could have been hosted far more easily at Cypress Mountain. She says the review will reveal that some of the same people who were involved in quashing her proposal in the 1980s are currently involved in the development of the Callaghan. If they can prove that conflict of interest as well as allegations of cronyism, Hartwick believes it will be a short leap to have the Powder Mountain Resorts' proposal for the area reinstated. "We don't need another lawsuit, it's the commercial crime group of the RCMP that's working on this investigation," said Hartwick. "They're going over everything, the entire history and everything that has happened. We're counting on them to be able to prove what we know and have known for many, many years." A previous criminal investigation by the RCMP was closed in 2000, shortly after the B.C. Court of Appeal dismissed a lawsuit for $5 million against Callaghan Resorts and others the Hartwicks allege were behind the decision to quash their resort proposal. Following the lost appeal, they applied to have their case heard at the Supreme Court of Canada — a process that is still ongoing. Hartwick said the RCMP's decision to re-open the case is based on new evidence of conflict of interest. The Pique: Whistler's Newsmagazine Published 2007-12-12 15:28:44 RCMP investigating Hartwicks' claims Review of Powder Mountain decision now an official investigation By Andrew Mitchell The RCMP has completed its review of a provincial decision to quash a resort proposal for Powder Mountain more than 20 years ago, and has referred to the case to senior investigators. For the mother and daughter team of Nan and Dianne Hartwick, lead proponents for a ski resort on Powder Mountain in the 1980s, the decision to open an investigation gives weight to their own claims that their project was sidelined by backroom dealings and government employees with conflicts of interest. They will meet with the RCMP's special investigators this week to share their documents, as well as new developments that have come to light. "Through all this time, we've never given up hope, we've never stopped investigating on our own, and now the RCMP has assigned some very senior investigators to our case," she said. "We're not looking for money, we just want the truth to come out and have our proposal recognized." This is the third time that the RCMP have investigated the Hartwicks' case, which stems from decisions made in government to quash their Powder Mountain proposal more than 20 years ago. At the time the Hartwicks won three different calls for proposals to develop the area in the Callaghan Valley, and were the sole bid for the project. In 1987 the province quashed the project because the Hartwicks did not have adequate financial backing, which the Hartwicks to this day deny. They had more than 75 financial backers when they applied for tenure, many of whom are still supporting the project. The Hartwicks claim to have documents that show then-Premier Bill Vander Zalm intervened on behalf of a friend who was involved in another proposal called Callaghan Resorts, and was supported by senior bureaucrats in the land use office — some of which continue to be involved in Callaghan development through agencies like the Vancouver Organizing Committee for the 2010 Olympics (VANOC). The most recent criminal investigation into the case was closed in 2000, shortly after a B.C. Court of Appeal dismissed a lawsuit by the Hartwicks against Callaghan Resorts and other parties. During the litigation, Land and Water B.C. issued several tenures for operations in the Callaghan, something the Hartwicks say should not have happened while court proceedings were ongoing. One of those tenures was for Callaghan Country, which is currently for sale at $5.95 million. The Hartwicks also allege that several documents that back their claims were not considered as part of the appeal, and were not included in the judgment. "That's all coming in to play now," said Dianne Hartwick, who has put together a detailed file with all of their court documents and instances where she feels there were conflicts of interest. She believes that everything that has happened since the province quashed their proposal has been a cover-up. "We won as the legal proponent to develop a ski resort in (the Callaghan), which we still want. That's what we're going for. Not for damages, but to get our rights back. We were derailed through deceit, unethical conduct. Now it's up to the RCMP to decide if it was criminal. "We're really thrilled, as all our investors are, that we stuck to our guns with the support of so many good people, and we're determined to right this wrong… we never gave up because we knew we were right, and have the evidence to prove it."
  13. Welcome, Canuckfan, 'newbie'! I am a "semi newbie" to this forum. I haven't had the time to play in this sandbox of late; - never a dull moment these days, since 2008 launched! With a quiet evening at home, I want to reply to your post because it is worth discussing properly. BTW, such a relief to learn your "question" - in fact, 3 focused questions . . were "honest" - always a good start! All that focus on crediting me with spreading the news on this scandal, albeit thanks to that busy bee 'Google' with frequent 'drop ins' to this site, has gone to my head; perhaps I have missed my true calling in life! The relevance of this topic re: a scandal & police probe into evidence surrounding Vanoc's Callaghan Valley Nordic Venue fits the theme of this site. After my initial gleeful, shock from the articles in the independent media, I came across this site & decided to spice up this forum!! The rapid growth in popularity in comparison to the majority of fluffy threads in this section, speaks volumes. Clearly there is no problem with 'reader receptivity' Canuckfan, LOL - unless you are referring to a handful of 'flamers' that get their knickers in a twist on a regular basis. I am pleased to see your specific interest in this thread, given the many threads to choose from. However, why you are not questioning any of the key elements of this scandal written in two well circulated newspapers that would be more than obvious to a "simple citizen of BC" ???? With that inquiring mind of yours I'm honestly puzzled with your lack of analytical questioning . . . . You raise the issue of "personal implications": Where multi millions of Canadian taxpayers dollars are being funnelled via Vanoc into a Nordic Venue where private interests are benefiting; where serious allegations of conflict of interest surrounding the derailment of an international Alpine ski resort exist; where land bureaucrats & private Nordic operators are meshed in long term relationships; with an RCMP Commercial Crime file on this case being reopened for the third time with new evidence. . . . . I suggest that the "implications" are are obvious why ALL citizens should "care" & do by the interest this topic has generated - don't you? A quick read of my profile puts my 'motives' clearly in context. (Additionally, admittedly I am a 'powder hound' who has salivated alojg with every skier I know, since the winning proponent (the Hartwicks) won the govt. rights to develop a major new alpine ski resort; massive open bowls of powder snow, available year round in the micro climate of the Callaghan Valley - man, I can feel it. Ok, I'm a huge Todd Brooker fan! That guy brings a whole new meaning to riveting dialogue to his NBC ski analyst telecasts!) What really happened here? With the specific allagations & govt. players involved in the derailment of this project, there was widespread perception that something was rotten in Denmark. Then I read the breaking news - wow - high fives to the Hartwicks! So what do you say that we do poll on everyone's motives on this forum - including yours? Seems equitable to me? Seriously, your focus albeit probably not intended, did serve a wider purpose in focusing on an issue currently discussed on blogs across the Internet; an prevalent problem that helped fuel my thread topic here based on factual reporting by well known journalists. Here is the root of the problem: Rampant sanitizing/screening of the REAL news by big Media, driven by agendas & vested interests directly connected to big money - connected to big government connected to private interests. Investigative journalism has gone the way of the dinosaur; instead the powers that be use their influence to suppress at all costs to integrity of journalism & the best interests of the people . . . any truth that is a threat to these private agendas & high profile players that are all interconnected for the wrong reasons. The result is an inverse relationship that exists with big Media: The more important an scandal is involving big money, vested interests, connected to Govt. assets & big agendas with their private sector pals, the greater the effort to suppress. such as the situation with Vanoc & the BC Govt. Given the content in those articles that gave birth to this topic, the recent absence in the 'Main Stream Media' of stunning new developments in this scandal with more legs than a centipede . . . . is a no brainer. You must have also noticed a similar pattern of the suppression of the truth that has prevailed in the MSM re: a massive political scandal involving a 2003 drug Raid on the Gordon Campbell BC Govt. Legislature which spiralled into a corruption case over the sale of our BC Railway, involving the Premier's Office? This case is coming to trial in March yet the news has been thin in the MSM over the past 4 yrs, while informative Blogs have surface to uncover/discuss the truth. Now they are being forced to report albeit on the back pages of the paper & nary a whisper on the radio or TV news. A recent post on one of the well known Blogs on the Raid on the Leg summed it up: "Most of the press had been grape-vined, . . . . . . Anyhow, the major press appears to be cooperating with the Gordon Campbell government and pretending there's nothing of interest in the most important "trial" in B.C. in the last many years. The major press never asks key questions, and it appears to do what it can to cover them up. Which, in itself, raises all kinds of questions." I think citizens like you & me deserve better, don't you, Canuckfan? Key Questions: 1. How did the Callaghan Valley suddenly shift to a focus on NORDIC skiing with little to no return for the "simple citizen of BC" in the first place (yet we see one private Nordic 'player' handed a license by his friends, the land bureaucrats) AFTER the sole proponent had won the final, legal Government proposal call for the exclusive rights to develop an international destination ALPINE ski resort, utilizing the huge alpine, year round potential in the microclimate of the Callaghan Valley? 2. Why is this Nordic private operator, who worked hand 'n hand with his pals the Vanoc land bureaucrats on the Callaghan Nordic Venue & Bid, suddenly trying to sell his Nordic license, benefitting from taxpayer funded infrastructure & Legacy trails, immediately after the RCMP confirm they are working on the new evidence, reopening the original allegations of corruption? 3. As one of the articles pointed out, why didn't Vanoc & the Land bureaucrats on the 2010 Bid/Vanoc, put the Nordic Venue at the obvious location of Cypress Mountain where other Olmypic events will be held & where extensive Nordic infrastructure already exists very close to Vancouver? Have a productive week. Keep those peepers open for the truth - it comes when you least suspect it!
  14. Happy New Year, Kendegra - good questions . . . now if it wasn't so late I'd respond but time to hit the sack, in my part of the world before the sun rises! Tomorrow is another day - I may consult some of my legal beagle buddies/politico junkies in the next few days to get their input on your ponderings . . . seems to me that the last Whistler Pique article I copied here may give some possible answers . . . It is all very fascinating - glad to see your musings here . . . anything can happen with this juicy scenario . . . .
  15. . . . Baron 'what's his name' Answer: "Strange" you ask???? . . . WHY???. . . Agenthuggles is clearly keen on the focus of this topic at hand, obviously, as are the large number of viewers who read this thread but do not comment re: the growing Callaghan Valley Nordic Venue Scandal. This topic is very relevant to this GamesBid site for the 2010 Olympic forum, as the Nordic Venue in the Callaghan Valley, is the largest taxpayer funded Vanoc development & involves Land bureaucrats & private Nordic operators, according to the media reports. Interesting, Baron, I have often asked the same question about WHY the small band of you, have persisted in 'circling' together to attack on this topic , with a sole intent to shoot down the new information/facts provided on this developing scandal vs sensible input???? Both agenthuggles & I have encountered a barage of stupid attacks/threats/insults since day one - back to the first thread I started. No one is forcing you to read the information posted on this thread. What do you think you contribute other than throwing darts??? What is it that brings you back again & again ad naseum to post nonesense content???? You have so many other threads to play on . . . go play, please. I don't get it. . . . DOES it have something to do with the thread on the Off topic section- that I didn't know existed until recently - about Gay participants on this site . . . that a participant on GamesBid has to belong, as many of you regulars do according to what you wrote - to some kind of secret club to be able to be able to post a new meaty thread on GamesBid ????? What on earth does this aspect have to do with the Olympics????? But maybe on reflection it answers a lot of my puzzlement about your responses . . . who knows. . . The RCMP Commercial Crime probe IS big news to anyone, who has followed the high profile public saga of the shocking derailment . . . by a former Premier forced to resign from his Office assisted by a group of BC Govt. Land Bureaucrats. . . . of a proponent who won the govt. rights through a public proposal call, to build an international destination ski resort in the entire Callaghan Valley adjacent to Whistler/Blackcomb. All of us downhillers yearn for deep powder bowls & mega runs that this company's high profile plans offered from the private sector NOT the Government $$$$$$, as is now being poured into the Nordic Venue. I started this thread with media stories that suddenly started to appear last Fall of 2007 expecting to be met with an enthusiastic, at least curiosity based discussion, based on the meaty facts printed & copied here. Personally, I WAS taken aback by the crass comments & responded. In my view, the only 'trolls' as per the definition provided on this site - are the persons who have ulterior motives re: this thread vs constructive comments about the topic of this specific scandal. What is NOT to be interested in with these latest developments ? I agree with agenthuggles wholeheartedly, about the attitude of your small group. For the RCMP Commercial Crime to re-open a major file for the third time - something is very wrong with shenanigans in the Callaghan Valley. With their resources stretched to the max, common sense says they wouldn't do this unless there was ample reason given the 'players' involved now with the Callaghan Valley Nordic facility. You are so right, agenthuggles, you don't have to take the abuse. I appreciate your input & interest whereever you hang - maybe you can give me a heads up off this site????. . . HAPPY NEW YEAR - get them boards ready to join your ace skier sons. Yes thanks, the family & I did have a great Christmas - the boys off to Seattle - no skiing this trip - big time shopping in Seattle LOL, but we all caught Brooker on NBC at the Worldcup - he knows how to call them curves. I WILL keep my eyes & ears wide open & update. So many questions are bursting in my head surrounding this Nordic scandal, but that last Pique article was a doozy, wasn't it? BTW, your detective skills are sharp - court training perhaps??? I & many others reading this site are glad to see you back - just let the 'drips' run right off you
  16. Yes, indeed, Agenthuggles - frankly, comments like Kendegra posted above give me my LOL for the day - so silly . . . . it must be sad going through life with blinders on - I guess its the old saying that ignorance is bliss but oh so shallow. I prefer to get the whole enchillada, like you do all thinking people I know - gives you MUCH more to digest rather than starving on the crumbs . . . . I am truly chuckling right now how about you?
  17. Mixed reactions greet Olympic ski jumpsSki jumpers praise facilities but sports group worries about effect of cutbacks Jeff LeeVancouver Sun Wednesday, January 02, 2008 WHISTLER - Canada's best hopes for Olympic medals in ski jumping and Nordic combined kicked the tires of the country's newest ski jumps this weekend, and proclaimed themselves pleased. But officials at Ski Jumping Canada say they're still worried about the long-term growth potential for the sports because of cost-cutting changes the Vancouver Organizing Committee made when building the two jumps at Whistler Olympic Park for the 2010 Games. On Monday, about 50 young male and female ski jumpers from around the continent took to the lower jump. They're in the Callaghan Valley this week for the North American Junior Nordic Combined Championships and the Canadian Ski Jumping Championships. While Stefan Read, Canada's top-ranked ski jumper tried the K95, the smaller of two jumps built in the Callaghan Valley, 20 km south of Whistler, his father Ron Read said he worries the facility doesn't have the support to build on Canada's tiny ski jumping community. Read is the high performance director for Ski Jumping Canada, and a member of the International Ski Federation's ski jumping sector. He said Vanoc's decision to scrap original plans to build several small development jumps and put down plastic and porcelain mats so the jumps can be used in the summer means it will be difficult to build new talent for a sport already at the bottom of Canadian sport development. "These jumps are the equivalent of the double black diamond ski run," he said. "And nobody starts on the double black diamond run." But John Heilig, Vanoc's Nordic facilities manager says the jumps are the catalyst for a resurgence of ski jumping and Nordic combined in Canada. He's working with supporters in Squamish to create a new club and he said he thinks the new jumps complement the existing summer training facilities in Calgary. And he notes Calgary's large jump, the K114, is closed because it's out of date. "If we didn't have the facility here, there would be no large hill jumping in Canada," he said. "So these two facilities complement each other. We can do effective summer training in Calgary, and our winter training here." . . . . Read said Vanoc's decision to cut back killed Ski Jumping Canada's plan to base its national training facility in the Callaghan. . . . . . . Hmmmmmm so with the knowledge from the several articles posted here re: the RCMP sleuths actively working on the Callaghan Valley Coverup, for the 3rd time . . . & given the facts revealed surrounding the BC Govt. crown land bureaucrats' sticky fingers on the Bid Committee & Vanoc Board of Directors & their direct involvement in the Callaghan Valley Nordic Venue & Ski jumps etc working with their long standing pal, the Nordic operator, - who allegedly received a wrongful license to operate in the Callaghan Valley while working with the land bureaucrats during litigation then sat on the Whistler Bid Subcommittee to make his facility fit as he himself brags: "seamlessly" . . . the same Nordic operator, Brad Sills who is suddenly trying to jump ship & sell his Nordic facility & license for $$$$$$6 Million Big ones, after being built on the backs of Canadian Taxpayers . . . . . . . there is an odor like Vanoc's decision "to scrap the original plans" is more than just massive cost overruns 'everywhichway' causing cut backs. . . . . . but a strong case of Vanoc having the jitters, seeing the train coming down the tunnel with no where to run . . . as this coverup gets uncovered. Seems that there have been some sudden reactions & scrapping of plans with the word out about serious misconduct surrounding what has happened in the Callaghan Valley over the past few yrs involving the 'players' involved in this scandal. Me thinks the MSM better get with the agenda & start reporting the REAL STORY behind the Callaghan Valley Nordic & Ski Jumping Venue.
  18. Points well taken, Agenthuggles . . . .high fives to you! Here are a few of my New Years thoughts . . . . Must be that infamous old "royal we" club that Spikey is referencing LOL - you know the people with the endless supply of govt. photos on the RAV Line, sinking Convention Centre etc. etc. . . . BTW, there are now 2 lawsuits, one a Class Action, in gear re: the destruction of the small businesses along Cambie St. thanks to the Govt. mega project - these people are paying for this monolith, yet their lives have been devastated. The Convention Centre last seen is sinking in red ink by the day, all orchestrated by the Premier's Office in the name of the Olympics. It gives all of us Canadians major migraines. I'm not sure where you live, huggles, but you have obviously seen the news on the net & are very savvy with the truth. Re: the growing scandal now surfacing, it's not difficult to see the true picture when you operate with an open mind using the information that has now come out in these newspaper articles - for some, as we have seen on this site, this appears to be difficult. However, one cannot grab the issue at hand when one does not WANT to - for whatever motivations - e.g. the "royal we" on this site. It isn't rocket science to get it, is it? This Callaghan Vanoc Scandal re: the Nordic Venue has NOTHING to do with the Olympics per se, the athletes etc. but; it is slowly being revealed as being EVERYTHING to do with a small group of Govt. Land Bureaucrats & their Nordic private sector pals who operated to "swindle" the winning proponent private company, Powder Mountain Resorts Ltd., & push their WANTS by cutting their stinkin' deals behind govt. closed doors. Nice to know how our govt. operates when we ain't lookin' folks! It is obvious what a massive bonus a new International ski resort would be for the 2010 Olympics not to mention Whistler/Blackcomb with guaranteed snow conditions & all of the amenities that are lacking to date & so troublesome with planning for the Games. Doesn't make any sense until one factors in the corruption that has been going & covered up for vested interests. Anyone, like your avid skier son, huggles, knows that clustering of ski resorts is one of the key economic factors which make ski resorts economically tick. It's all about synergy. I & others, like you, now understand with more clarity, how this bunch of bandits who it appears were part of the original derailing of the legal ski resort winning proponent, saw an chance to further their private Nordic agenda - The pieces fit perfectly & yes, it's a pile of rot that needs to be cut out with a scalpel: to use massive amounts of taxpayers dollars with their hands in the Vanoc cookie jar at the same time using their influence in govt. & on the Bid/Vanoc to supplement their own, malicious, hidden, Nordic plan to stop the sole proponent of the proposal call for the crown land, Powder Mountain Resorts Ltd. whose govt. rights are to build a neighboring international ski resort in the Callaghan Valley to Whistler/Blackcomb with superior snow conditions on a ringwall of 5 mountains from what I read - providing massive year round skiing - man I love that POWDER!!!!! This Alpine Resort is long overdue - brings on those runs! No wonder Crazy Canuck, now NBC Olympic/World Cup Downhill ski analyst, Todd Brooker is associated to this company & its winning proposal. I'd sure love to get his input on this forum - THAT would be cool! As I posted earlier with a little digging on the good old net, I saw with my own eyes, the IOC were blocked from hearing the Hartwicks by representatives of the Bid Committee, apparently in 2003 prior to Prague. I understand that some of the IOC officials supposedly are members of this site - you rightly asked earlier: Where are their voices now???????? This IS NOT what that spirit of the founding Olympics was built on. Get with it you guys. This Scandal linked to Vanoc is anthing BUT ethics 101 & GOOD SPORTSMANSHIP. Just for once, in modern history, wouldn't it be nice to see some clean Olympics? Only seriously deluded &/or vested interests would condone what has happened here.
  19. Welcome back, Agenthuggles! At your service . . .anytime. Hope your had a good Christmas. Like you, I haven't bothered with this site until some more spice could be added to this thread. Otherwise: B-O-R-I-N-G . . . too much fluff & paid pr spinning for my brain cells. Yes, I too knew the other shoe would drop based on those original news articles. Go tell it on the mountain indeed - lots more to come, I suspect from this latest revelation - the scenario is obvious about the back room dealings on this one. As for you Baron PierreIV: "It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others" Happy New Year - may it be a year of truth & justice for those deserving.
  20. "If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how unlikely, must be the truth." Traction with the truth in the Callaghan Valley/Vanoc Scandal!!!!! Looks like Santa's Elves were weaving their magic! Bring it on RCMP Commercial Crime! Kudos to the Red Coats! Man, I was thrilled like many of my other friends, to read this stunning development regarding this stinky scandal surrounding the Callaghan Valley Nordic Venue. There have been other articles but this one was very revealing!! Looks like the stench is sticking to the "players" responsible for this long overdue coverup & derailment of the original proponents. It would appear that the 'rats' are running from their sinking ship. It is very clear as to WHO derailed the original legal proponent when we see the Land Bureaucrats operating with a private Nordic operator with clearly, a private agenda other than what is in the best interests of the taxpayers of British Columbia/Canada, with this new information; never mind the former Premier of the BC who had to resign in disgrace. The "conflicts of interests" & heaven knows what else, are now taking focus & the puzzle pieces are coming together! Take note at the sudden fancy footwork, like a cat on a hot tin roof, by the private Nordic Operator based in Whistler having served on the 2010 Whistler Subcommittee working with the Land Bureaucrats & their consultants with the Bid Committee on the massive taxpayer funded Nordic Venue & Legacy Nordic Trials including cost overruns, to ensure his private facility in his words in the media, "fit seamlessly" together!! This 'Nordic private operator 'player' in this scandal, Brad Sills, . . . . . . who was allegedly given an illegal license to operate during litigation by Land bureaucrats controlling Crown Land in the Callaghan Valley & originally responsible for designating the Callaghan Valley as the site of the Nordic Venue serving on the 2010 Bid Committee & Vanoc . . . . .is now attempting to sell his Nordic license for Mega Millions, suddenly since the RCMP confirmed their active file. No wonder this scandal now has traction & the RCMP has opened the file "for the 3rd time"!! Conflict of interest? It is not rocket science folks. Fraud? When it walks like a duck & . . . well you get it! Good on the original winning "sole proponent" in the Government's own Proposal Call Process to build an international, alpine ski resort: Powder Mountain Resorts Ltd. with World Cup/Olympic Champion Downhiller Todd Brooker! Persist until you prevail. Their vision was a winner as all of us skiers have known for years, to have year round skiing on a ringwall of interconnected mountains in the Callaghan Valley Valley - a micro climate with superior powder snow conditions. What a no brainer this international ski resort, as I read, entirely at private sector cost would be for a massive asset regarding the Olympics & to complement Whistler/Blackcomb. For all the fascinated followers of this scandal: Enjoy! As a wiser man than I once stated: The truth WILL out! Ref: The Pique: Whistler's Newsmagazine Published 2007-12-12 15:28:44 <H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">RCMP investigating Hartwicks' claims </H2>Review of Power Mountain decision now an official investigation By Andrew Mitchell The RCMP has completed its review of a provincial decision to quash a resort proposal for Powder Mountain more than 20 years ago, and has referred to the case to senior investigators. For the mother and daughter team of Nan and Dianne Hartwick, lead proponents for a ski resort on Powder Mountain in the 1980s, the decision to open an investigation gives weight to their own claims that their project was sidelined by backroom dealings and government employees with conflicts of interest. They will meet with the RCMP's special investigators this week to share their documents, as well as new developments that have come to light. "Through all this time, we've never given up hope, we've never stopped investigating on our own, and now the RCMP has assigned some very senior investigators to our case," she said. "We're not looking for money, we just want the truth to come out and have our proposal recognized." This is the third time that the RCMP have investigated the Hartwicks' case, which stems from decisions made in government to quash their Powder Mountain proposal more than 20 years ago. At the time the Hartwicks won three different calls for proposals to develop the area in the Callaghan Valley, and were the sole bid for the project. In 1987 the province quashed the project because the Hartwicks did not have adequate financial backing, which the Hartwicks to this day deny. They had more than 75 financial backers when they applied for tenure, many of whom are still supporting the project. The Hartwicks claim to have documents that show then-Premier Bill Vander Zalm intervened on behalf of a friend who was involved in another proposal called Callaghan Resorts, and was supported by senior bureaucrats in the land use office — some of which continue to be involved in Callaghan development through agencies like the Vancouver Organizing Committee for the 2010 Olympics (VANOC). The most recent criminal investigation into the case was closed in 2000, shortly after a B.C. Court of Appeal dismissed a lawsuit by the Hartwicks against Callaghan Resorts and other parties. During the litigation, Land and Water B.C. issued several tenures for operations in the Callaghan, something the Hartwicks say should not have happened while court proceedings were ongoing. One of those tenures was for Callaghan Country, which is currently for sale at $5.95 million. The Hartwicks also allege that several documents that back their claims were not considered as part of the appeal, and were not included in the judgment. "That's all coming in to play now," said Dianne Hartwick, who has put together a detailed file with all of their court documents and instances where she feels there were conflicts of interest. She believes that everything that has happened since the province quashed their proposal has been a cover-up. "We won as the legal proponent to develop a ski resort in (the Callaghan), which we still want. That's what we're going for. Not for damages, but to get our rights back. We were derailed through deceit, unethical conduct. Now it's up to the RCMP to decide if it was criminal. "We're really thrilled, as all our investors are, that we stuck to our guns with the support of so many good people, and we're determined to right this wrong… we never gave up because we knew we were right, and have the evidence to prove it."
  21. Thankyou SkiFreak for starting this thread & expressing your feelings & perspective so clearly. Olympian2004 & Mr. X. . . . we are on the same page. I too, want to add my voice in outrage over this inexcusable & shocking event that needlessly ended in the death of an innocent man clearly needing help & kindness; instead was attacked without mercy or conscience. What were the police & airport authorities thinking? What is happening to mankind? Where have people's decency & caring for one another gone? Like millions of people around the world, I feel heartsick at the brutal treatment that Robert Dziekanski met on his arrival in Vancouver. What must he thought in his final moments on earth about Vancouver? The young man who filmed it all was surely there at the right time so that everyone can SEE what happened to counter the spin that had already begun. It IS so important for people to speak up as they are globally & not allow a COVERUP as so often happens - everyone involved in this horror story must be held responsible so this man's spirit can rest. Nothing less must be tolerated by the rest of us. The truth will out.
  22. BTW, for the benefit of new viewers/open minded readers to this site (the majority I suspect), Part l of the Vanoc/Callaghan Nordic Venue Scandal thread can be found here: Please go to the main Vancouver 2010 Winter Games page; at the bottom, select your search choice: "From: Show All" & "Topics: Locked" Part 1 of this topic is easy to find & does provide interesting background reference to previous posts on this topic - it is the only thread locked on this site!! Hmmmmm. Perhaps due to the profanity & threats posted on that thread by a small handful of 'regulars' which they call "discussion" & holding a different point of view to the factual information I posted . . . yet never asking any questions about an obvious big issue surrounding Vanoc's dealing; no interest in grasping a bigger perspective - strange indeed, given the realities of the world we live in. .
  23. Fisher - serious business at hand in my world, somewhat more important than this forum, however better late than never: "How do you know so much about everything? was asked of a very wise and intelligent man; and the answer was 'By never being afraid or ashamed to ask questions as to anything of which I was ignorant." Lord Billingsley "The worst of all deceptions is self-deception." Saul Bellows News flash: When you point a finger at someone the finger is pointing back at you. Think again about your accusations of me. Has it ever ocurred to you or your pals to ask intellegent questions about any details I have posted or that other more balanced commenters like agenthuggles or Ruling Czar have posted, for everyone's interest vs shooting the messager? I would welcome disagreement but from the start I have been sworn at by simply posting alternate views of the world reality from the what I sourced in the media & internet, to the bath water that your & others choose to drink. The responses have been appalling, at the very least. While on the topic of "minds" . . . . "The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when it's open."
  24. I am sure you have missed me. Here are some wise words (not mine) to live by my friends - please take note: "He that knows himself, knows others; and he that is ignorant of himself, could not write a very profound lecture on other men's heads." ~ Charles Caleb Colton "You can't talk your way out of problems you behaved yourself into" "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow "Sight is a faculty, but seeing is an art." "You have to learn to listen, and listen to learn." "If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how unlikely, must be the truth." "Changing your mind is one of the best ways of finding out if you still have one." . . . . . i.e. please take a long look at the 'man in the mirror' - your responses to 'agenthuggles' my posts & others to date, speak for themselves. Take your blinders off & actually 'see' the facts - keep your ears open & you just might 'learn' something of interest i.e. the reality of this situation - from the comments made by rational posters & details previously posted, which you have yet to discuss. It is not about attacking the messagers, it is about discussing the issues. The 'possibilities' are serious that could result from this RCMP Commercial Crime active file re: conflicts of interests with Vanoc etc. given the linkages of the names listed connected to the evidence that sparked this file being reopened for the 3rd time, as indicated in the media. Keep your antennae up boys - my mind is open, are yours???? In closing, try a dry run based on the last quotes advice - the results might be worth consideration Till next time . . . .
  25. The buck stops with Campbell on ramrodded convention centre job Vaughn PalmerVancouver Sun Saturday, October 27, 2007 VICTORIA - Premier Gordon Campbell had a direct hand in the Vancouver convention centre project from the outset. He, more than anyone else, decided that the expanded convention centre, like the highway to Whistler and the rapid transit line to the airport, would be part of the supporting infrastructure for hosting the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver. He decided it needed to be ready well ahead of 2010, forcing the project onto a fast track that saw construction begin before plans were complete. When the province couldn't find a private sector builder dumb enough to assume the risk in a public-private partnership, Campbell decided that government would go it alone. When Ottawa wisely insisted on capping its contribution to this overrun-waiting-to-happen, the premier blithely committed the province to absorb every penny of the additional cost. Campbell wanted it built the way he wanted everything else done, namely his way. So, in February 2003, the premier installed his deputy minister, Ken Dobell, as chair of the convention centre expansion project board and kept him at the helm for four years. Four years of budget overruns and dubious decision-making, according to this week's devastating report from the office of the auditor-general. Not until this past spring -- with the project hundreds of millions of dollars over budget -- did the government appoint developer David Podmore ("he knows how to build big projects") to try to get things under control. Until then, the central role of the premier's No. 2 was underscored in the project service plans, released annually as part of the government accountability framework. "I am accountable for the contents of this plan," board chair Dobell would avow, in the written testimonial that accompanied each year's update of the plan. "All significant assumptions, policy decisions and identified risks have been considered in preparing this plan," the statements continued. "I am accountable for delivering on the service plan and for measuring and reporting actual performance." Contents. Assumptions. Decisions. Risks. Deliverables. Measuring. Reporting. Dobell was accountable on all those points. But the buck didn't really stop with him. Dobell, a consummate public servant, was the premier's go-to guy. Campbell relied on him, more than anyone else, to get things done, the way he wanted them done, when he wanted them done. If the project was being ramrodded to ensure it was ready for the 2010 Olympics, it was because Campbell wanted it that way. If the result was a budget-busting increase in costs . . . well, it is inconceivable that Dobell would not have kept Campbell in the loop every step of the way. The auditor-general complained, in one of the most damning passages of his report, that "from the beginning of the project the board lacked a member with the appropriate expertise for a project of this specialized nature." Campbell wouldn't have seen the need. He had Dobell. (Other board members included a defeated Liberal candidate and the former president of the party. Choice.) The Dobell-to-Campbell connection needs to be underscored. As the Liberals run for cover in the wake of the auditor-general's report, they will do everything they can to shift the blame away from Campbell. Other cabinet ministers. Other deputy ministers. Project managers. Consultants. Inflation. Evil spirits. Any culprit will do, just as long as the trail doesn't lead back to the premier's office. But that is also why one of the most revealing events in the history of this fiasco was the sod-turning on Nov. 8, 2004. For the premier himself took charge of the announcement and delivered the words he surely wishes now that he could take back: "There are contingencies built into the project and it's going to be run professionally. This will be built on time and on budget . . . Count on it." Wrong on three counts. The budget has been revised half a dozen times since Campbell spoke those words. Construction is almost a year behind schedule. As for "run professionally," the auditor-general's report supplies a number of reasons for doubting that claim. Still, Campbell said it. And it was entirely characteristic for him to be there, taking the spotlight. Every minister in government has been big-footed by the premier at events large and small. In their private moments, some Liberals may take a certain satisfaction in the prospect that the most damaging quote in this affair was supplied by the guy who insists on being front and centre in everything. But that's the downside of being a hands-on premier. When something goes wrong, your fingerprints are all over it. vpalmer@direct.ca © The Vancouver Sun 2007
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