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  1. Since Barcelona, the cauldron has always been located so that the VIP's have had to look somewhat to their left to see it. If this continues in London, the cauldron would indeed be on the northern end or half of the stadium.
  2. It looks like a structure that is some distance away from the stadium, not directly outside it. It's look peripheral. Only the top third of it or less is visible from within the stadium and the stadium's most distinctive feature from within - it's floodlights - tower well past it. And this is from the far end of the stadium as seen in the above picture; the Orbit only gets more obstructed by the stadium's roof and floodlights the closer you get to it. So no, I'd hardly call it "imposing." There's no objective way to label things as "imposing" or not, but this is my opinion based on logic and why I can rule out the Orbit as the location of London's cauldron. And considering how ugly it is, the Orbit is lucky to have any role in the ceremony if you ask me. *I shouldn't say based on logic, but rather my opinion based on observation.
  3. I would call it imposing if the observation deck reached past the floodlights from that same angle. But it dosen't, it's well below.
  4. Looking back at the past decade, Torino, Athens, and Salt Lake all had their cauldrons visible before the ceremony. And videos and pictures of the cauldron getting tested in the wee hours of the morning surfaced for both Beijing and Vancouver. I also hope London's stays a complete and utter secret until the moment comes to light it.
  5. I visualize the Orbit playing no role in the Opening Ceremony besides fireworks igniting off it a few times, at the most.
  6. The fact that the Orbit was ever ok'ed and built surely means that enough important people didn't think it was ugly. It's all subjective after all. I've made this point myself, but I don't think the strongest point against the Orbit are its look / how it would clash with a cauldron / the unlikeliness of Heatherwick working with it. Rather, I think the strongest case against it is that a flame on top of it wouldn't feel prominent at all from within the stadium and the Orbit's own damn loop would obstruct the flame not only from stadium spectators, but from the rest of the Olympic Park as well. It's funny that somebody brought up "BC PLACE WILL BLOW UP WITH AN INDOOR CAULDRON." This Orbit discussion is certainty starting to feel like that haha
  7. The Orbit is just really ugly. As people who've seen it in person and as its price would suggest, it's cheap and unfinished looking. That's all.
  8. It was pointed out that has been there for months. And it does not look like the base of anything. It also has no aesthetic and stylish value like you would expect a cauldron or at least its base to have. Also, that latest photo posted shows that a cauldron / flame on top of the Orbit would be obstructed by the Orbit itself from within the stadium.
  9. Also, to be frank, continuing to discuss the Orbit as a possible location for the cauldron is boring. It's just standing there. It's not really changing. They're not appearing to build anything on top of it. But that's just me.
  10. To be perfectly honest I don't know about much about how the Orbit came to be except that Boris wanted it. But I do know that the level of detail and planning on London's part when it came to the Olympic stadium and its surrounding areas months if not years before anybody mentioned what came to be the Orbit was extremely extensive. And I'm willing to bet it included a cauldron. And yes, the Orbit now stands close to the stadium, but it's hardly imposing from within the inner bowl. A flame on top of it - no matter how high they get it up - would feel like something on the distant periphery, not something of prominence like virtually all past cauldrons. I also trust London has enough taste to not clash the busy and loud design of the Orbit with a cauldron designed by Heatherwick. It's mid-May. At this point four years ago the speculation about Beijing's cauldron ran the gamut from a hanging flaming bowl above the inner field to a giant rim of fire. That huge and mechanically ambitious cauldron had yet to begin construction. So I say patience.
  11. It's entirely possible (and I think this is the case here) that London planned its cauldron before Boris knocked on Locog's front door with his intention to build what is now known as the Orbit. So I doubt the Orbit will be it. But I do think we will know how the cauldron looks like before the opening ceremony, as has been the case since Salt Lake. The lighting may very will be a secret until the moment itself.
  12. I feel like the quality control for these Ceremonies is always high and the organizers of Summer opening ceremonies have come up with "mind blowing" theatrics since at least Sydney. I've expected nothing less from London so I'm not at all surprised nor more excited after those remarks. I want to hear more distintive adjectives that really start to distinguish the mood, feel, and direction of this ceremony from those past. It's getting close now!
  13. Athens' stadium's roof and cauldron were both designed by Santiago Calatrava simultaneously. It wasn't a matter of them squeezing their cauldron in wherever it would fit. Beijing on the other hand was indeed a case of the stadium being designed long before the cauldron. But I think they did a good job of attempting to incorporate the cauldron into the stadium design with the entire unfurling scroll concept during the lighting.
  14. Unless the stadium is suspended above the field (highly unlikely) or there's a small cauldron on a stage (this has its fair share of points against it), not everyone in the stadium will see London's cauldron either.
  15. If they never put a set of floodlights right above one of the screens (the one bent over in the above rendering), that area on the roof would have worked well for a cauldron I think. *If they had never, I should say
  16. I would hardly call that imposing. Imposing would be the Orbit appearing taller than the floodlights.
  17. I think it would be considerably better if it simply wasn't done in lattice. And not in that color.
  18. Barcelona's lighting sometimes comes off a bit too much like a circus act with the very dramatic music and the sheer impossibility of it all. It was a stunning lighting, but I feel like the showmanship was a bit heavy handed. Sydney's, even with it's sheer size and mechanical wizardry, has always been beautiful and stunning to me. The sound of the cascading water coupled with the fantastic choice of music, Freeman's bodysuit giving her a bizarrely appropriate androgynous aura, that absolutely gorgeous shot of her bending over to light the circular flame around her on running water with thousands of cameras flashing in the darkness as the backdrop. That whole sequence feels to me like the Olympic Cauldron lighting benchmark. No nerve-wrecking drama, just an elegant and beautiful set-up.
  19. When these things are considered - the location of most of the park's venues, the position of the VIP box / broadcast tables inside the stadium, and where the Orbit stands - a cauldron tower on the north end of the stadium just makes so much sense to me. And if not outside, than at least somewhere on that northern half of the stadium.
  20. Reading that Beijing thread is great--the cauldron ideas for that one are ridiculously hilarious in retrospect. Giant fire-breathing swallows! I now want London to start setting up something of interest that must be for the cauldron just for the wacky speculation that would ensue.
  21. For once, I want a cauldron actually shaped like a cauldron ala Barcelona, Seoul, etc.
  22. If they remove one set of those floodlights (by that I mean one triangle for lack of better wording), a lightweight cauldron perched on the outer structural ring of the roof could work--specifically above one of the screens. Beijing's cauldron actually covered one set of floodlights so lack of adequate lighting would not have been much of an issue. But I suppose if this was always the plan, they would of never put up all the floodlights in the first place.
  23. Well actually, as you can see here, the Bird's Nest's floodlights were actually on the rim of the roof. They were just covered during the opening ceremony where theatrical staging lights were used instead. But your point remains nonetheless. If I remember correctly, Beijing's massive and technically intricate (it moved into it's final position during the Parade of Nations while no one was looking up at the roof--brilliant!) cauldron didn't begin to be constructed until around May or June. So if London designed its stadium's roof with a cauldron on top of it in mind, we may start to see activity up there in a month or two. But who knows really--the cauldron could be rather simple and light weight and take nothing more than two weeks in the summer to put up. My bet is on some sort of tower outside the stadium, nothing too intricate or complicated to install. Tall and simple.
  24. Ding ding dinggg.I've always said it, if the those five rings are in the background somewhere, people will be more inclined to watch whatever sport is on their television. And not at all surprised that NBC will air the YOG's on Universal Sports. I mean, that's where they aired the last two Paralympics and where they cover all the Olympic sports that no one cares about outside the Games. Good fit for the YOG's to catch an audience.
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