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  1. 1 hour ago, TorchbearerSydney said:

    No one is suggesting a permanent 15000 seat pool....a modern aquatics centre with temporary seating. Like Sydney or London, but with an aquatic centre legacy.

    But does Brisbane need one? In 1992, they proposed to use the 1982 Commonwealth Games Pool for Aquatics at an 8,000 seater capacity when the diving pool is replaced with a temporary grandstand. Then they offered Fortitude Valley Pool for Waterpolo preliminaries. Diving would have been held at a new "aquatics" centre in the Boondal cluster.

  2. On 3/2/2021 at 6:07 PM, TorchbearerSydney said:

    One thing about Aquatic Centres in Australian cities they tend to be jammed full from opening day- they are a very successful legacy.

    But Brisbane needs a much needed modern arena. Not a swimming pool with 15,000 seater spectator capacity.

  3. 6 hours ago, Tejas57 said:

    in the host city contract they are obliged to hold world championships in the Olympic sports in the lead up the games so brisbane will host it anyway

    They're not obliged to host anything prior to the Olympics. It's events like World Championships that prove they can host.

    But warm up events like what London did in 2012 a year prior to the Olympics helps, even if it's not an official Championship.

  4. 13 hours ago, Tejas57 said:

     

     

    i don't know if you are aware or not but Brisbane Live, the area being mooted for the swimming is not being paid for by taxpayers. it's a market led proposal paid for by AEG Ogden.

    But the organisers are still proposing 2 other "arenas". Are they really necessary?

  5. 1 hour ago, AustralianFan said:

    It’s a good question as the Gabba has hosted Athletics in it’s distant past. That was many years ago and whether the dimensions of the current Gabba would meet current IAAF Athletics standards including long jump pits I do not know.

    What is a telling factor was that the Gabba was not used for athletics in either of the Commonwealth Games in this region in 1982 nor 2018.

    My understanding is that the main reason it’s crowd capacity is quite limited at around 35,000 for AFL football or cricket.

    Land and space in the prime location region of the Gabba is at a premium, it is hemmed in all sides with no no room for expansion.  With the focus these days on affordable Games at a reduced cost I do not think they can afford to demolish buildings in this prime and expensive inner city real estate area to make way for an athletics warm-up track in 11 years time when there are better options.

    Can anyone else shed some light on this?

     

     

     

     

     

    Why don't they just propose the same site a QEII Stadium, but build a new stadium on this site?

    You place a new athletics track on an East-West axis, with the 50,000+ stands there. The new main grandstand will have a view of Brisbane's CBD. People would need to go there for Boxing at Nissan Arena anyways.

    If they could move people back and forth in 1982, without the need for heavy rail, they can do it again.

  6. 12 hours ago, munichfan said:

    The new arena would still come to use. However, by using Lang Park as two indoor venues, there would be no need to build to additional major arenas funded by taxpayers' money. A reatractable roof for the stadium would probably not come cheap either, but its long-term legacy is secured and the last renovation was two decades ago, so by 2032, some refurbishments works will probably be due, anyway.

    It doesn't need to be a retractable roof (though it has been proven in various other stadiums in the past), it could be a temporary one. A legacy for Lang Park as it indeed could use a renovation come 2032.

  7. 22 minutes ago, ulu said:

     

    The soccer final in a round stadium? Nope. If I remember right there's been plans to build the new entertainment arena (being used for swimming) for a long time anyway.

     

    They held the 2000 Preliminaries there. Plus, Sydney used its Olympic Stadium while in its athletics configuration for Football finals. Brisbane could do the same.

    By all means build the new arena, but not necessarily for use for Swimming. It could host Volleyball. Coomera Indoor Sports Centre now gets Basketball Preliminaries, maybe shared with the proposed Sunshine Coast Convention Centre.

    Brisbane Indoor Sports Centre becomes redundant, with the proposed replacement for Chandler Arena still being offered for Gymnastics.

    By the looks of it, the bid is proposing 3 new arenas to be built. Granted, one will be a much needed major world class arena, whilst the other 2 will be repurposed for multi-sports, it's still seems a tad unnecessary to have 3, when you only really need one.

    A missed opportunity here.

  8. 10 minutes ago, ulu said:

    Except it's needed for Rugby and Soccer?

    There's other venues for that. You can have Rugby 7's at Robina Stadium in Gold Coast and Soccer could be held at the main stadium or Gabba. It's not needed, merely proposed.

    Being used as an indoor venue is so much more versatile.

  9. No chance of Lang Park having either a retractable roof or temporary one so it could be divided for use as 2 "indoor" arenas like the Georgia Dome was used in Atlanta 1996? Yes, Brisbane could use a new arena, but this might solve their Aquatics Centre (main pool) problem, as well as add another option for one of the indoor team sports (most likely the site of Basketball, as that's the most popular).

  10. 3 minutes ago, Olympic Fan Darcy said:

    Looks epic, definitely have to post some pics when it arrives. 

     

    I've been adding quite a bit over recent years. The best being Brisbane 1992, Atlanta 1996 and London 2012. A few others. You? 

    Yes I've got an Atlanta 1996 set too.

    Most recently it was Vancouver 2010 (but not in the wooden presentation case).

    Incidentally, as part of the Agon buy, I got an Albertville 1992 set, but in French.

  11. 8 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

    Yes, absolutely it could.  The issue with QSAC is not the much longer distance from the city, but the lack of a metro train line close by.  The closest train station is 3kms or 1.86 miles away. Bussing in all spectators is possible, but not desirable.

    Apparently a new stadium on the Albion Park site (closer to the city) is favourite but a new station closer to it will likely need to be built. The closest train station is 1.4kms or 0.86 miles away.

    QSAC Is too old for such a thing. They proposed to expand it to 90,000 for the 1992 bid, but how that was ever going to achieved was questionable (though I'm sure the bid team would have made a scale model on how they were going to achieve this).

    I'd expect a new stadium, somewhere near public transport and easy accessibility. It can be downsized post Olympics if need be, provided that no one wants to become a tenant.

    That's the Achilles heel of the bid. The main stadium is going to take a huge chunk of the budget, even if you get privatize the construction of the Athletes' Village and Media Village.

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  12. I think Sarajevo could still host. Remember they had close to nothing outside of Skenderjia and the ski resorts for their 1984 bid, which was their first attempt. 

    If the proposed subway line does get built come bid time, you propose the next stage of a second line linking the north with the south and this existing subway line, passing through the 1984 Olympic Stadium and perhaps terminating north at a new Olympic complex or "New Sarajevo", North west of Betanija, the site of the Olympic Stadium.

    The only venue at Betanija should only be the 1984 Olympic Stadium (assuming it is not replaced by a new modern stadium) and Olympic Hall Juan Antonio Samaranch. 

    This "New Sarajevo" could have the following:
    - A new major  modern Arena
    - A new minor Arena
    - A new indoor Speed Skating Oval
    - A new modern Olympic Stadium that could be rectangular (which might permit the old Olympic Stadium to still be kept for athletics)
    - An Expo Center for the Main Media Center
    - A future Sports University
    - Athletes' Village
    - Media Village
    - New hotels 
    - A new Shopping Center
    - Serviced by 1 or 2 metro stations. 

    You then renovate all the 1984 venues and expand the international airport with a new terminal. 

    Give it time and they can host again. Maybe a symbolic 2034 would be the ideal games to bid on. 

  13. 6 hours ago, Nacre said:

    Could and should are different things. Could Brisbane theoretically host the Olympics? Yes. But if you run down the list of the major facilities the Olympics require and the facilities that either exist or make sense for Brisbane, they don't overlap much.

    Brisbane's professional sports teams have no use for a 60,000+ seat stadium. Retrofitting Suncorp Stadium for basketball, gymnastics and swimming is a project that would likely never be useful again after the Olympics. And there's no reason to assume that a large new arena will be built. Why spend all of that money on facilities that will only be useful for a three week festival? 

    A retractable roof on Suncorp Stadium greatly boosts a bid as providing a solution for indoor sports and swimming. 

    The legacy goes beyond the Olympics. Brisbane now has a large multi use indoor facility for indoor concerts and major sporting events. It can be closed when it rains and during the hot summer. I see it as the only feasible way of solving the arena issue without the need of building more arenas. 

    Brisbane only needs a new modern arena downtown. Should Thas project not go ahead, Suncorp with a retractable roof is still an option. 

    If Melbourne can solve their arena "problem" with Marvel/Docklands Stadium, Brisbane can pose a far serious bid with Suncorp having a roof. 

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  14. Check out my post on Skyscrapercity's 2032 Olympics thread.

    https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=158269620&postcount=259

    I think Brisbane could pose a significantly stronger bid/plan with some innovation involved. Let's assume that a new arena is already built or being built come bid time. You don't factor in these costs for the overall plan. The 250 odd million or so on a new arena could be spent in upgrading Suncorp Stadium/Lang Park. Put a retractable roof on it and it could host indoor sports in 2 divided halls like Georgia Dome did for the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta. These two halls could host Basketball, Gymnastics and Swimming, Waterpolo respectively. 

    Make it more compact using Sunshine Coast, Brisbane, Gold Coast and Toowoomba only. No outer Brisbane suburbs like Logan or Ipswich. Perhaps just make them live sites. 

  15. Dates aside, Brisbane clearly can't even consider any aspirations of hosting now, given the state of their transport infrastructure. If they were proposing (or better yet building) 1, 2 or even 3 or more lines of actual underground subway to actually link the suburbs which are only accessible by bus, then we might be getting somewhere.

    The Chandler site would be perfect for an Olympic Park style setup, if only there were a subway line linking it to downtown Brisbane. 2 to 3 stations on this site, and of course the stations along the way to Roma St Station.

  16. 3 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said:

    I still don't understand why the IOC hasn't swung around to the successful CWG formula of allowing like 3 new sports that are popular or germane to the hosting region; and just making dormant those that aren't already "venue'ed" in that new city... and let them come back when the opportune moment returns.  

    And here I am thinking that the CWG should have a fixed number of sports which don't change every 4 years which are popular with most Commonwealth Nations.

  17. 5 minutes ago, Olympianfan said:

    The AFL will be in the pain in the ass for it unless they will have the AFL Grand final in Perth in 2032 for it it will be a nightmare and it will have to be held in late October with the Football Finals at Marvel Stadium and the grand Final at Perth on the last Saturday of September which will be the 2nd biggest stadium for the AFL it will take a few weeks to get it ready for Athletics and ceremonies.

    Olympic Games from the 15th to 31st of October the Paralympics Games from the 17th to the 28th of November then the MCG will be ready to host the Boxing Day test match.

    No it won't be a pain in the ass. Just end the season in August. Have the pre-season a tad earlier. The September/October window is perfect for an Olympics/Paralympics whilst allowing room for the Cricket season. Remember, the A-League will probably have to start later or have a pause during this period.

  18. I just noticed now, that they got a French company to do the feasibility study. What, they couldn't do it on their own? They couldn't get an Australian company to do this in more detail?

    As for a Melbourne Olympics, the hosting window shouldn't be too much of an issue. We should propose it in early September, without branching out to October (that can be for the Paralympics). The AFL Grand Final simply has to end earlier in August, allowing for the fit out to install the athletics track, removal of seating (like in the 2006 Commonwealth Games) and temporary things like for use during the ceremonies.

    I'm not saying Brisbane and SEQ can't host, but they really don't have much infrastructure going for them. They didn't offer much in 1992 and they probably won't offer much in 2032, lest they propose an underground metro system (a much needed system btw, to link the suburbs that don't have a rail link), for the likes of some of the southern suburbs and eastern suburbs like Chandler. If a subway line were to reach Chandler to the Brisbane CBD, then this would be excellent for an Olympic Park style setting.

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