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  1. IOC originally demanded the technical manual to be kept restricted. However, that would have been in violation of Norwegian law regarding public access to government documents. In Norway,any citizen can in principle ask for any local or national government document. There are exceptions, of course, like medical records or matters of national security. Although these revelations further tainted the IOC in the public eye they were hardly decisive.
  2. Btw:Many people have commented the bid might have had a better chance if the committee / government had been even more critical to IOC and gotten clear concessions. As we all know, that would most likely have been impossible, however.
  3. To Rob:The IOC's communication since the Oslo decision is indeed curious. It is not true that the case that the Norwegians did not come to IOC meetings, but contrary perhaps to the IOC wishes it was in good Nordic tradition the topical experts, i. e. the ones that can ask the right questions, rather than the high-flying cocktail drinkers. I firmly believe that what we have seen here is a culture clash. The leader of the Oslo city government, a strong supporter of the bid, was lashing out on IOC today saying that he never has met anyone so focused on etiquette and titles. Further, the IOC bla
  4. ;-D (although you need to drive 6 hours from Oslo to get a landscape that resembles this. My last post was supposed to answer Baron's "frozen" post...
  5. As said before,I have seen this coming for years, and I fully support the decision. Part of the reason is IOC and its arrogance and the incredibly high costs. At least as important, however, was the arrogance of the Oslo elite, perceived by many having stolen the games from Oslo. Together with the clear no by the other governing party, the progress party, the Oslo 2022 was an impossible political project. High costs on something most people did not want, risking to ruin the government coalition.
  6. What I meant was that Oslo would be no better than a third or fourth best potential candidate from Norway. The Oslo candidacy has at least five main weaknesses IMO: Distances. They call themselves compact games, but the reality is that the distance from Oslo to Kvitfjell is more than 230 km, or three hours of driving and usually even more by train. Within the so-called Lillehammer cluster the distances are 50 km / 45 minutes from the sliding events to downhill at Kvitfjell. Potential other Norwegian candidates (Tromsø, Trondheim, even Trondheim - Åre, or the more speculative Drammen and B
  7. Yes, and although Oslo2012 won the local referendum after a massive campaign, the Oslo bid is still very controversial around the country. Spending 10 b$ on a sport event in the capital will alienate far more voters for the political parties than it will win, particularly after the dodgy process since the 2018 bid, which has embittered many people around the country. One of the major parties on the victorious right side of the national election has made a clear position against any government guarantee, the other parties have no official stance yet, but I would be very surprised if Oslo2012 g
  8. What I noticed was that a certain word was substituted with ****, but I guess I should learn to watch my mouth....
  9. Thought I should give Sweden a neighborly hand here.... Sweden has about 10 % more people than Quebec, and about 10 % higher GDP. I don't see your point. And GDP is not everything. Norway has significantly higher GDP per capita than Sweden, but it is Sweden, not Norway, that probably is probably the most well-organized country in the world. Swedish infrastructure is in general very good. There are about 60 000 people living in Ôstersund, actually. Not a metropolis, but much larger than for instance Lillehammer. Being the largest winter resort of Scandinavia, Åre alone has about 35
  10. Regarding Norway's bid, that was exactly my point. IOC member Gerhard Heiberg headed the Lillehammer WOG, and there is currently a lot of pro-Oslo people in the boards of the sports associations / NOC currently, so with the process closed, they will probably select Oslo, probably with a Lillehammer satelite again. However, an Oslo WOG in 2022 is in my mind very unlikely. Firstly, because it will have a hard time getting enough political and popular support. In the 2018 round, the government made it pretty clear that it would not support an Oslo application, and still the same parties are
  11. Yes. Other alpine disciplines could be closer though, but in the 2018 proposal Oppdal had all the alpine skiing, while Vassfjellet 24 km away from the city center had freestyle and snowboard. Vassfjellet should also be suitable for slalom and giant slalom, but I guess they wanted to have the alpine disciplines together. It is also possible to stage at least freestyle and snowboard in a hill about 9 km to the west from the city center.
  12. In my mind, 2022 should be ripe for a WOG in traditional winter sport climate and culture after two consequitive exotic games in Korea and Sochi. Furthermore, I think 2022 should be staged in Europe since the last time would be in 2006. (Sochi does not count in my mind, it is on the border to Asia or even, according to some geographers, Russians in particular, located in Asia.) After all, it is in Europe the interest for winter sports are highest and most of the medals won. What priorities IOC makes could of course be a different story..... I agree with your arguments for Trondheim, th
  13. Thanks, interesting! In here semi-Molde dialect she said among other things that.... 1. She wants to continue competing for Germany 2. That her appearance in cross country skiing was a one-off Otherwise she seemed very charming
  14. Winner: Russia, I hope. Hopefully this is the start of a new dope free future! I see a lot of potential in young Russian athletes Sweden: Finally back. I've missed them, Not fun to beat our arch-rival when they have none among the 20 best.. Loser Finland: The cross country skiing scandal in 2001, where almost the entire team was caught broke the back. They lost all my respect after Virpi Keutonen was allowed back into the warmth. Now they also failed in ski-jump and Nordic combined. This is a much larger fall than Italia. Good Finns have always be around before.....
  15. I regard, or hope, the Vancouver games is a fresh start for Russia after 40 years of dubious results. The number of Russian athletes from the last couple of decades that are revealed as dopers have been way too high, finally it seems like they have taken doping AS A PROBLEM somewhat seriously. In such a situation they had to trust the young and inexperienced, and I for instance see a lot of very promising cross country skiers coming that will be very strong in four years (like Junior world champion Sedov). Hopefully this political commotion will not be a return to old sins....
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