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  1. IOC originally demanded the technical manual to be kept restricted. However, that would have been in violation of Norwegian law regarding public access to government documents. In Norway,any citizen can in principle ask for any local or national government document. There are exceptions, of course, like medical records or matters of national security. Although these revelations further tainted the IOC in the public eye they were hardly decisive.
  2. Btw:Many people have commented the bid might have had a better chance if the committee / government had been even more critical to IOC and gotten clear concessions. As we all know, that would most likely have been impossible, however.
  3. To Rob:The IOC's communication since the Oslo decision is indeed curious. It is not true that the case that the Norwegians did not come to IOC meetings, but contrary perhaps to the IOC wishes it was in good Nordic tradition the topical experts, i. e. the ones that can ask the right questions, rather than the high-flying cocktail drinkers. I firmly believe that what we have seen here is a culture clash. The leader of the Oslo city government, a strong supporter of the bid, was lashing out on IOC today saying that he never has met anyone so focused on etiquette and titles. Further, the IOC bla
  4. ;-D (although you need to drive 6 hours from Oslo to get a landscape that resembles this. My last post was supposed to answer Baron's "frozen" post...
  5. As said before,I have seen this coming for years, and I fully support the decision. Part of the reason is IOC and its arrogance and the incredibly high costs. At least as important, however, was the arrogance of the Oslo elite, perceived by many having stolen the games from Oslo. Together with the clear no by the other governing party, the progress party, the Oslo 2022 was an impossible political project. High costs on something most people did not want, risking to ruin the government coalition.
  6. What I meant was that Oslo would be no better than a third or fourth best potential candidate from Norway. The Oslo candidacy has at least five main weaknesses IMO: Distances. They call themselves compact games, but the reality is that the distance from Oslo to Kvitfjell is more than 230 km, or three hours of driving and usually even more by train. Within the so-called Lillehammer cluster the distances are 50 km / 45 minutes from the sliding events to downhill at Kvitfjell. Potential other Norwegian candidates (Tromsø, Trondheim, even Trondheim - Åre, or the more speculative Drammen and B
  7. Yes, and although Oslo2012 won the local referendum after a massive campaign, the Oslo bid is still very controversial around the country. Spending 10 b$ on a sport event in the capital will alienate far more voters for the political parties than it will win, particularly after the dodgy process since the 2018 bid, which has embittered many people around the country. One of the major parties on the victorious right side of the national election has made a clear position against any government guarantee, the other parties have no official stance yet, but I would be very surprised if Oslo2012 g
  8. The European economies have been developoing very differently lately. Many of the potential winter hosts, like Germany, Norway, and I believe Switzerland, are doing quite well. The same countries are however also traditionally been quite stingy when it comes to public spending on show-offs...
  9. I could (and have) named a few other: Huge distances Fog Public support Decreasingly reliable snow conditions in Oslo Small market compared with e.g. Germany
  10. Welcome Blacksheep! (not to be confused with the obscure far northern Norway group I have always wondered whether the spelling error is deliberate or not...) Strange, and which candidate would supposedly be any stronger? I can't think of any.
  11. Notice the extremely careful wording even the bid-book of 2018 had to resort to "February is the WINTER MONTH with the lowest incident of fog". That does not really help when fog is an issue throughout the winter. An regarding weather statistics, I have actually been trying quite hard to obtain these, and even looked through the public databases of the Norwegian Meteorological Institutite, but either hard official fog statistics do no exist, or they are keeping them a secret. The only measurement I have found seems to have been performed from a private person, who takes pictures every 44 s
  12. But Hamar is in the current plans (Icehockey). Fog also create serious problems for biathlon, btw, here from another cancelled event, the relay in the 2004 biathlon world championships: And the current weather can be seen here...http://www.catalyzer.no/ ...fog again!
  13. Sorry, I meant that they already are taking their chances by having the ice events in Oslo instead of HAMAR (where there already is an indoor speed skating rink) ^^ Regarding the fog, I simply do not agree. The fog was for me a truly depressing aspect of living in Oslo, and it would not have been the case if it only lasts for one month. If you, hypothetically, were right, however, you should really worry as the winters are getting warmer.
  14. Heiberg knows very well that the distances (Kvitfjell - Oslo is 220 km. Drammen is another 43 km in the other direction from Oslo), will be an issue with an Oslo - Lillehammer bid. However, he is also a master of real politics. They are already taking their chances when they want to have the ice events in Oslo instead of Drammen, requiring a new roofed speed skating oval. Speed skating is, after all, a mini-sport in Norway. However, the sliding sport is a micro-sport. Trying to get the sliding events would transform a politically difficult task (to get Oslo 2022 financed by the government)
  15. ^^The rendering is from the 2018 process, when Oslo lost to Tromsø in the national bid. No such national bidding has been taken place for the 2022 WOG. As far as the crowds goes, the Lillehammer had far more tickets sold (1.2 millions). There were also significantly more tickets sold in the Trondheim Nordic Ski world championship (in excess of 300 000), compared to Oslo (270 000, i.e. far less than 100 k per day). In all cases, there were hundred of thousands non-paying spectators in the medal ceremonies and in the forest for the cross country skiing events which are of course impossible
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