Jim856796
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Don't you see that most part of people here doesn't care, people in IOC doesn't care, people in Rio are even happy with this choice and media is thrilled about...
You will not change this. And if somehow Maracana won't be part of the ceremonies, be sure, it's not because of your likes and dislikes.
Get it through their heads: Maracna will never be a true Olympic Stadium.
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Well, Ii ain't gonna shut up. This is all about keeping Maracana out of the Olympic Stadium picture.
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^^No, Mo Rush.
IOC shouldn't care if an existing Olympic Stadium is a tourist spot or not. If there are two stadiums planned to be the main Olympic Stadium, there's gonna be conflict, there's gonna be controversy surrounding that fact.
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i cannot get used to this at all. Sorry, but the Mario Filho Stadium should be rejected and disqualified from hosting Olympic ceremonies and hosting any events in the Summer Paralympics.
There is no rule stating that Olympic ceremonies must be held in the largest football stadium regardless of whether or not it has a track.Get the ceremonies into the athletcs stadium lke Barcelona and Mexico City and there won't be any problems.
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Do we need to read this?
Yes. IOC may be happy with this. I'm not. I think Maracana is violating a little something I call:
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A fifth 500+-room hotel (the Hotel Guanabara) exists in Rio's Central Business District.
Rio de Janeiro is going to have the largest media village of any Olympic city (Summer or Winter).
And what is the purpose of the proposed Maracana, Deodoro, and Port Villages?
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Well lets see, they're using Maracana based on the fact that it was proven use for the 2007 Pan American Games. It is larger capacity than their Olympic stadium.
It's not really a joke, if they're using a venue that speaks of Rio and such, they're only hosting Athletics at an upgraded Joao Havelange to meet IOC requirements. Besides, if the IOC really wanted to have ceremonies at Joao Havelange, then it would have pressured Rio to make such concessions.
So it's simple, Rio's Olympic Stadium will always be Joao Havelange, doesn't necessarily mean that ceremonies should be held there, especially if there's another larger venue available. Not to mention the possibilities of ruining the track and such if the opening ceremony was held at Joao Havelange. Then you look at events like the Pan American Games, there's been plenty of hosts that haven't necessarily used their athletics stadium to host ceremonies. The IOC approved of Rio's proposal, what's done is done and I'm sure come 2016, you'd actually be quite pleased that they chose Maracana over Joao Havelange.
i shouldn't be pleased at all, I should get mad. I don't care about the track being ruined by the ceremony, they can just fix it before the competitions begin. This stadium situation is going to make the Rio de Janeiro Games a disaster. Using a football-only stadium for Olympic Ceremonies is un-Olympic. 2016 is the Un-Olympic year, a year of curse for the Summer Games. Rio just likes to make the wrong excuses. The IOC is wrong for doing so.
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Worse, I'm afraid Rio, like other Olympic Cites, can have only one main stadium.
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Wait till the 2011 World Military Games in Rio and see who deserveS to be the main Olympic Stadium. Joao Havelange Stadium is hosting athletics and ceremonies at that event. Rio is an Olympic City with no (proper) Olympic Stadium. A football-only stadium hosting Olympic ceremonies s a joke.
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This is really not a reason to say the games will be good or bad.
Maybe because traditions, this games will be innovative. But, let's remember how many changes IOC made on the Olympic Games since Athens 1896...
Baron, who worked with Olympic ceremonies talked about the logistics advantages for the ceremonies. Rio can put even bigger ceremonies, since the city doesn't need to prepare the stadium for athletics competitions few days later.
IAAF has pointed they liked the idea of having an exclusive venue for them.
Also, Joao Havelange Stadium was considered by them as one of the best athletics stadiums in the world. The only with a training path less than 30 m far from the main one.
Or RIO-OCOG changes the ceremonies to Joao Havelange or nothing. Maracana will never receive an olympic path.
I don't care if they like the idea. exclusive venue for IAAF athletics, my boot.
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If they're not hutongs, what were those houses that were demolished in the Olympic Green, then? Slums?
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^^ No, Rio will just be like Montreal: a bad Summer Olympic city if athletics and ceremonies are not concentrated on the same site.
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If Maracana is to be in the lineage of Olympic Stadiums, it must not only host Ceremonies and Football Finals, but athletics as well, To host athletics events, the lower tier should be a movable stand to uncover an athletics track used for the Games.
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I looked at Google Earth and in the 2001 imagery, loads of hutongs and small apartment buildings (mostly hutongs) in Beijing were destroyed to make way for all the infrastructure for the 2008 Summer Olympics (roads, highways, parks, several venues and the Olympic Village, and the airport terminal).
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Even with that new (hopefully not final) design, I still don't think the Mario Filho Stadium should even be hosting the Olympic Ceremonies or be considered an Olympic Stadium, even with modifications to its new seating bowl. First of all, the seating bowl depicted in the new renderings does not match properly with its overall circular shape. Second, the upper tier looks too short. And third, why do the goal stands have to be a single tier?
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More concrete in the lower tier has been ripped up in the Maracana Stadium today, and all of the seats in the upper tier above the boxes have been removes.
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I think Paralympic ceremonies should happen in Joao Havelange Stadium, also.
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Just one question, what if the Mario Filho Stadium did NOT have any role in the 2016 Summer Paralympics? Wembley Stadium is not going to have a role in London's Paralympics, Camp Nou - no role in Barcelona's Paralympics.
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Besides the Maracana and Engenhao stadiums, should the Sambodromo and the Maracanazinho Arena also have a renovation before the Games?
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Mistake on the first post: I must have misidentified the Deodoro Cluster as the "Barra Cluster". Sorry about that.
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The Barra Cluster
Deodoro Arena
Capacity: 5,000
Events: Fencing
National Equestrian Centre
Capacity: 14,000
Events: Equestrian
National Shooting Centre
Capacity: 6,850
Events: Shooting
Olympic BMX Centre
Capacity: 6,000
Events: Cycling (BMX)
Deodoro Modern Pentathlon Park
Capacity: 20,000
Events: Modern Pentathlon
Olympic Mountain Bike Centre
Capacity: 5,000
Events: Cycling (Mountain Bike)
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I don't know, they want to reduce the field space in Maracana and if this is true, it will be impossible to make the ceremonies there.
If the field space of the Mario Filho Stadium is reduced, they they'll end up having to move the ceremonies to the (expanded) Joao Havelange Stadium.
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^^And that's a fail, Mo.
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Venue plan for a Summer Olympics in New York City
Ceremonies: New Olympic Stadium
Archery: new venue
Diving: new venue
Swimming: new venue
Synchronised Swimming: new venue
Water Polo: new venue
Athletics: New Olympic Stadium
Badminton: New Convention Centre
Basketball: Brooklyn Arena - 18,000
Boxing: Nassau Coliseum - 17,500
Canoe/Kayak Sprint: New Flushing Meadows Rowing Basin
Canoe/Kayak Slalom: undetermined venue
BMX: Staten Island
Mountain Biking: Staten Island
Road Cycling: Staten island
Track Cycling: new venue
Equestrian: new venue
Fencing: New Convention Centre
Field Hockey: undetermined venue
Football: Meadowlands Stadium - 82,566
Golf: undetermined venue
Artistic Gymnastics: Madison Square Garden - 21,000
Rhythmic Gymnastics: Madison Square Garden - 21,000
Trampolining: Madison Square Garden - 21,000
Handball: Newark Arena - 18,500
Judo: New Convention Centre
Modern Pentathlon: undetermined venue
Rowing: New Flushing Meadows Rowing Basin
Rugby 7s: undetermined venue
Sailing: undetermined venue
Shooting: new venue
Table Tennis: New Convention Centre
Taekwondo: New Convention Centre
Tennis: USTA Billie Jean King National Tennis Center - 22,527, 10,200, 6,000
Triathlon: Central Park
Beach Volleyball: new venue
Indoor Volleyball: Meadowlands Arena - 20,000
Weightlifting: New Convention Centre
Wrestling: New Convention Centre
The Maracana Cluster
in Rio de Janeiro 2016 Summer Games
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Won't be complaining about Joao Havelange hosting ceremonies because its capacity is slightly larger than Barcelona's Olympic Stadium. And it should not make perfect sense to hold Olympic ceremonies in a football-only stadium, whether it's larger or smaller than the athletics venue. If there is no ceremonies for Maracana, then the cauldron should not be at Maracana. They sould be reserved for the Engenhao Stadium only. Also, coming up with excuses about this will get us nowhere. If Maracana does host Olympic ceremonies, then a curse will be put on any future Olympic City, especially one who has a football-only stadium and no large multipurpose athletics stadium.