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  1. man mr x They are going to tear it down and sell it to developers lock stock and barrell. The gastown stadium proposal will be the replacement and the BC lions dont need a 60,000 seat stadium. they do about 30,000 and there is the new convention centre on the water front for basically a stadium would have one tennant who is only doing 30,000 people a game . The money they would get from developers would probably build the new stadium at the gastown site. The olympics will be the last ha rah. OH by the way the glass concourse thing around bc place , your estimate is low considering the miami dolphins stadium is costing 250 million to do similair work . jim jones
  2. Heres the study for dakota dome which was designed by the same architects as bc place http://www.sdbor.edu/publications/PressRel...0DakotaDome.htm the cost of the new steel roof was to be 6 million dollars according to the university. It is of course a smaller building but you have the same principals with the concrete probably having to be both very strong is tension and compression with the fabric roof . With a steel roof you are going to reduce tension loads because fabric acts like a sail thus creating tension but you will increase compression loads because of the added weigh. Who knows filling in the mechanical rooms for th blowers for the room would probably add material to counter compression load. a perminant steel roof has been done in with the same architect's design for a roofing system i am cure they didnt just design for a fabric roof. BC place went beyond the life cycle of the roof and that is the real problem . jim jones
  3. Mr X. I don't think wind alone is the problem. Since the construction of BC Place you have had the construction of some major condo towers and that alters wind patterns. Wind shear and micro bursts were cited for a report I saw and that is very likely with the newer construction around that building. There is another dome of the same roof material and design that they had a unique solution to an aging roof. The Dakota Dome replaced the fabric with a steel dome for a very simple reason. The roof was getting near the 25 year expected life of the fabric and a steel roof would give them 65 years of life. The foundation was there with the stadium bowl so they just removed the fabric and replaced with steel superstructure. With the new convention center you are looking at the revenues for BC place going away and the BC Lions and the occasional rock show may not be enough to justify a new roof. They will replace and th panels and hope than it gets them thru the olympics. Jim Jones
  4. I have the feeling Mr. X someone screwed up with the controls . The video I saw had air streaming out of the opening and if that is a controlled intensioned deflation it seemed very dramatic to be honest. With the record of service for this facility which I believe includes the construction that did not have massive cost overruns BC Place is still a very good venue. And Yes an air suspended roof can have that type of load capacity . the outside elements and the roof materail itself are probably a great load bearing factor on the roof then the sound system and lighting. jim jones
  5. Interesting education on these roof systems. I have read conflicting things like the roof is 25 years old which I cant imagine. Then the carrier dome in syracuse used to deflate their dome between events because to the heavy lake effect snow they would get. In the 1990's they replaced their roof with one that melts snow and ice as it falls on the roof. I did not know BC place had the same system. Mr. X even if there was an event early on with BC Place which I recall happening it is not an condemming of the system. THe olympic stadium in montreal is a huge mistake. With that was spent on that building all the major cities of canada could have had a BC place civic stadium and 23 years later we would still be into a go system which The Toyko Dome/Carrier/Silver/RCA/ humprey metrodome all are. The roger centre though working very well for function had its share of cost overruns. The Silver dome model is the Cookie cutter design of domed stadiums and it has worked very well despite an incident like this. jim jones
  6. Hasnt the roof been replaced once in the 23 year history of BC Place ???? I think there was a deflation early in the buildings history and normal wear and tear on the roof would not have a wise compnay go much beyond 15 years I would think. If Mr. X is right the roof was scheduled to be fitted out because of the games then the problem is only temporary. Certainly would not be wise to have the original roof in place for the 2010 games which would make the roof 27 years old. It is certainly nowheres near a breaker for the 2010 games. They can insert the new panel probably in a couple of weeks and then look at the condition of the entire roof which I am sure they do with the ongoing operational of the stadium. It is a very very minor set back for the Pavco people themselves with a highly proven roof system that is in japan, indianapolis,minneapolis, pontiac michigan,syracuse new york and other places. Many of which have had events like this between long periods of good service. jim jones
  7. delhi has to get on with the task at hand and bring their stadium construction company back from Guyanna. They are wanting to host the Asian games in 2014 and the talk is 2016 for the olympics???? They have to actually get a modern fire department from what I saw on TV the other night. The course Delhi is wanting to take it like that of seoul south korea but they dont seem to be organized the way the koreans are. Not pulling thru on the commonwealth games would have problems down the road for an olympic bid even if it is 2020. Doha Qatar is in much better shape and a new territory could be host for the summer olympics. The Arab middle east with also the first muslim nation to host. The Gulf States have the money and organizational skills to do it. jim jones
  8. Believe me joining the british commonwealth for dominca hasnt seemed to raised that place. Ironically a dockside development in Roseau was funded by the japanese government and is in bad repair. The worst hell hole I have been in . Martinque a french colony close by is nicer. If you can avoid Dominica avoid it . In fact you have to go ou o your way to visit so dont make the efford. Roseau is a hell on earth. jim jones
  9. The thing is with the debate of funding a vancouver winter games at what level does it become a losing deal for all? If you look at Stephen Harpers point of view representing a calgary riding he would probably think that enoughs enough at the point of vancouver having the same ammount of federal funding as calgary 1988 with inflation from 1988 to 2006 factored in . The PM is an economist and they dont see the fuzzy logic and good feelings that an olympics or any other games have. Vancouver will be back at Mr. Harpers door for operations costs, additional security costs and cost overruns from the municipal units that have had facilites downloaded in their budgets. To me after vancouver is done the government of canada should have a ban on any international sport festivals for atleast 40 years. A summer olympics , two winter olympics , two commonwealth games, a Pan Am games in the space of 40 years is enough. Finish the vancouver games and call it a day for canada for a while. A summer games in Toronto or Halifax is just foolish regionism. jim jones
  10. The biggest lose for torino was for NBC and the bath they took in the Ratings. considering the Bejing/Torino deal is about 1 billion you could see the end of TV deals for sporting events if Bejing does not pull NBC into the number position for the broadcast times. Sponsorship will also be effected too Jim Jones.
  11. well as to stadium replacement I think replacing the roof would be the best course and updating some of the infrastructure. With seat replacement I would say the lower bowl would be the place to replace as the upper bowl is hardly used in regular season lions games. As far at looks of the building I really dont see what the problem is. Yes you have a concrete structure with a fibreglass roof but some things could be done look wise. With a new roof you could think of a fabric facade much like the Pusan Korea stadium used for the world cup in 2002 or the treatment that the alianz stadium in Germany has. lighting those panels as is done in germany would be great. A stadium is basically a stadium is a stadium. Yuo cant get too far away from function and to get intom the fast cycle of stadium replacement that they have in the united states here in canada is foulish. Renovation is the key as structurally you have a building that could be used for another 50 years with maintenance. I am sure there will be some upgrading of BC place with the opening and closing ceremonies in 2010. A jumbotron would be good to add on one end as I found it strange that only one end had a screen. jim jones
  12. Well A free stadium as far as the taxpayer goes is very good. Certainly in a great location ofr mass transit. I know the press of the new convention centre down the shore from canada place is for a media centre but I am could have seen that expensive curtailed for the winter games by holding the opening ceremonies outdoors (maybe this new stadium would have been the place) and BC place being the media centre. All sports festivals seem bring out piggy back spending that is sometimes questionable. Perhaps some inovative thought process could have preented the cost overruns which are now about to be looked at by the feds. jim jones.
  13. well considering that BC Place is to be used for the opening and closing ceremonies it is not as big a deal for renovations in that buildings as say pacific colusium. Covering of posts in the mezanine levels is not a big deal compared to renovations to the PC that will have to be done for competition. I somehow wonder why BC Place couldnt have a second purpose during the games. Not much as far as revenue generation for new consessions during the games. BC Place could use a scoreboard/jumbotron at one end of the stadium. I found that odd when I went to the Lions home opener last year. Finally some sense in the ice hockey venue. It is totally stupid to expand the ice surface 12 feet in width for a short time when all the players for the international teams play on the NHL surface for a living. I think the NHL probably said look this is unreasonable, the olympics puts our stars at risk and you want to alter the ice surface of an NHL arena that these guys play in anyways?. The increased revenues are something the organizers should be thinking about as well. If you are lloking at virgin facilites like you did with torino then build to the international standard. jim jones
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