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  1. They managed to piss off both North American and European broadcasters, and yet this is still probably the most reasonable timeframe to hold the tournament in such an unreasonable venue. I'm almost tempted to say "well done, FIFA". Almost.

  2. Cue Galandar claiming that it's all Western propaganda.

    Azerbaijan wanted these Games, they were the only bid and probably convinced European NOCs to irganise this fof the first time with a few good "arguments".

    It's just a stepping stone for their Olympic bid, but they're no better than Qatar. In Sochi, the whole Azeri team consisted of imported athletes, in Eurovision they literally always use foreign songwriters. The regime does not care about promoting local talent, they just want to put on a glittery show for themselves.

    Pretty sure they just want the rest of the world to notice they exist.

  3. Well, the farce is finally over! FIFA has officially stripped Qatar of... the 2021 Confederation Cup. Because they finally realized it's too bloody hot during the summer and that moving the tournament to the winter is impractical. Now if only they had thought of that a couple of years earlier.

  4. Thank you FYI and Quaker2001, for putting the whole issue into such an astoundingly clear perspective for me. However, I do believe the possibility of a "fear factor" on the part of the cities bidding for the 2022 Olympiad might be aligned to Beijing's bid and cannot be entirely dismissed. We will just never know for sure.

    No, it can and should be entirely dismissed. Beijing's bid is not that strong. The distances between the city and mountain venues is ridiculous (not Stockholm/Are ridiculous, but still) and, more importantly, China has basically no experience hosting international snow events outside of aerials competitions.

    Are is a major, well established alpine destination. So are Munich/Garmisch-Partenkirchen and Oslo/Lillehamer. Those cities all have a lot more winter sports infrastructure and experience than Beijing does. Not to mention that Western Europe is overdue for the Olympics while East Asia is already getting back-to-back Olympics.

    Beijing had to feat the other bids, not the other way around.

  5. The women's water polo tournament really needs to expand to 12 teams already. The qualifiers for it are absolutely insane.

    Historically Canada makes it pretty competitive with Argentina in men's field hockey, so with hone field advantage Canada certainly has a (admittedly quite less than 50-50) chance of grabbing the pan-am slot.

    Volleyball's qualification system is indeed bunk, but I feel like if the Canadian men get assigned one of the four last chance qualification tournament they have as good a chance as anyone to qualify.

  6. So, beyond how ridiculous the notion sounds lets list some actual problems:

    • The popular eSports change pretty quickly. StarCraft: Brood Wars had a very long life for an eSport and it's time as a major pro eSport lasted just over ten years.
    • League of Legends and StarCraft II are both dominated by South Korea. And by dominated I mean the top 30 players are probably all Koreans. Dota 2, to a lesser extend, is dominated by China.
    • Female competitions are basically non-existent, as are female competitors.
    • The IeSF (the group pushing this) has virtually no sway in the eSport world. Their tournaments have very little prestige and are generally not all that well organized.
    • People within the eSports industry don't seem too interested in getting into the Olympics.
    • There are also a bunch of copyright issues.

    I guess if the IOC ever decided to create an Olympic games for mind sports they might want to make this happen, but I just don't see it working out.

  7. Well, biathlon is a very strong and popular on TV sport in the main WOG countries (Germany, Norway, Russia...), and there was still room for events in winter.

    Archery is not exactly among the prime summer sports, so they may not have it all their way.

    I don't see the IOC wanting to add this without removing the two existing events. But I also don't see World Archery pursuing this if it doesn't mean they get a fifth event.

  8. It likely would result in both team events being dropped.

    Not sure about that. Biathlon managed to get it's cake and eat it to when adding a mixed event. I honestly don't see the archery people pushing for a mixed team event if it means giving up the two team events they have right now. Just no incentive to do so.

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  9. It's interesting that the IOC would suggest moving the sliding events completely out of the country to avoid a $120 million white elephant that the Koreans at least say that they want, while there's no evidence of a similar suggestion regarding the relocation of speed skating from Gangneung, where they've declared an intent to demolish the $107 million facility after the Games, just a couple hours away to Seoul, where they have an existing facility.

    A facility that also has the advantage of being in the same country, which avoids much of the political issues.

  10. Maybe a way for the IOC to make the investment worthwhile would be to ask the 2022 winner whatever it is to use the Alpensia/PyeongChang track ?

    Then it would be guaranteed to be used at least twice.

    I doubt either China or Kazakhstan is very interested in sharing any events they don't absolutely have to share. Not to mention the distances would still be an issue (especially if Almaty wins).

    IMO using existing venues in neighbouring countries is something only Western democracies will really be interested in doing. Also, even *if* Almaty wins and want to use an existing track I feel they would prefer to use Paramonovo or Sanki anyway, due to closer cultural ties and a shorter flight.

  11. Actually that was the reason given. I don't think it was suggested by the FIS, rather the organizers of Sochi.

    Probably was used as a sweetener to convince them to build a venue for slopestyle. since IIRC the Sochi organizers could have gotten it's inclusion delayed until 2018.

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  12. Quebec City could have it in Calgary. But I guess Lake Placid makes sense too.

    I see this as just a lot of lip service by the IOC. Time will tell to see if anything comes of this. Moving the sliding events to existing facilities makes a lot of sense in practice, because there is just no way most countries can justify such a facility. Korea claims that it will become an important training facility in the future, but Nagano's track hasn't done anything to boost up Japan's performance, and its not even used on any of the World Cup circuits. There's no doubt in my mind that PC's track will be a waste too. All of this being said, seeing as construction has already begun and Korea is well on there way to hosting, it might be a bit unfair for the IOC and IF's to do this. I say wait until 2022 because it's a great idea theoretically, but if it happens right now it looks like nothing more than the IOC trying to cover their ass.

    My personal guess is that Quebec City would only want to ship the speed alpine events elsewhere, since that has always been their biggest roadblock to hosting. They had previously toyed with the idea of having a bid with Lake Placid as the alpine venue but didn't go through with it because they didn't think the IOC would approve.

    But of course I'm sure they would at least loot at either Calgary of Lake Placid as a venue for the sliding sports, too.

  13. I think it's sort of insane to think PyeongChang can cancel their sledding track. Perhaps it would make sense to host it in Nagano had that always been the plan, but I don't see the organizers shelving those plans after construction has started. I also don't see Korea wanting to share their second big international sporting event in a row with Japan.

    As for hosting it anywhere but Nagano or PyeongChang... seriously, that's just insanity. IMO this is just a PR stunt from the IOC. Where it would make sense for Bobsleigh to be held in another country would be something like Are, Salzbourg, Krakow or Quebec City hosting.

  14. Anyone want to entertain the possibility that FIFA actually didn't do anything wrong?

    If FIFA didn't do anything wrong they would release the full report and Michael Garcia wouldn't be publicly criticising FIFA for misrepresenting his report.

    FIFA condems itself with it's actions.

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  15. Ah, the IHF...another "corrupt bunch of weasels". These withdrawals may even help it saving face by letting Australia (that had rightfully qualified but was kicked out for obscure reasons to let non-qualified handball super power Germany in) and Iceland (that would have been first substitute instead of Germany anyway) take part after all.

    Withdrawing Australia's place was so strange. I understand removing Oceania's automatic qualification spot and/or forcing Oceania to merge with either Africa or Asia. But rescinding the spot in the men's (but not the women's) Worlds after the fact? Coincidentally after Germany fails to qualify?

    Ya, that doesn't pass the smell test.

  16. Oh so obvious that the IOC made the right choice three years ago!

    (Bitter? Me, a Munich resident? No way!)

    It's a good thing Munich is the heavy favourite in 2022. It's one of those things where I'm sure the IOC was convinced Munich would bid again. Hingsight being 20/20 that might have been a bit of a mistake.

    I have an feeling that the PyeongChang South Korea 2018 Winter Games will be the worst winter games ever and the lowest turn out games ever.

    TBH if nothing else they seem like Nagano 2.0. Not terrible, just not particularely exciting.

  17. Ground to be broken on new Pyeongchang 2018 speed skating rink

    Ground is due to be broken by the end of the month, according to organisers at Pyeongchang 2018, as the last of six new venues finally gets underway. There had been considerable debate involving the 8,000-seater speed skating rink, which is expected to cost KRW₩131.1 billion ($107.4 million/£70 million), whether to use it as a water park after the end of the Olympics. Organisers have now revealed the 8,000-seat rink will be demolished come the end of the Olympics as it is more economical to do this rather than provide follow-up management, according to reports from South Korea

    Dear god this is disapointing.

  18. The IOC made an foolish choice in 2018 going to PyeongChang South Korea I think the 2014 Asian Games was an lead up to show what is going to be like in PC 2018 and that was an summer event. The IOC Should of gone to Munich Germany in 2018. South Koreans are not know as winter sports lovers even Australians are more into winter sports then the South Koreans. I have not an great feeling that the 2018 Winter Games will go to well at least with Sochi it was in an country which was an winter sports superpower.

    Wut? South Korea is the biggest Short Track country in the world, at this point they are probably second only to the Netherlands in Speed Skating and Figure Skating is on the rise there.

    They aren't Germany, but seriously. Australian winter sports has a long way to go to be competitive with South Korea.

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