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  1. Well, FINALLY!!! After cancelling twice and being beaten by Lima a few years ago, FINALLY we will host a major international event! As Roland said, it was bloody time!

    Although the PASO election may have influenced something (you can't discard anything in any Latin American sport organization), it always seemed to me that the BA bid didn't have future. Yes, they would had the infrastructure from the YOG, but I'm not even sure they are doing a lot about it. The situation in Argentina is still very complicated politically and economically so I wasn't sure they will commit with this bid... just like La Punta, I thought it was more a show than a serious intention.

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  2. Originally, the Chilean government decided to cancel the Santiago 2023 bid given the proposal made by the local Olympic committee and the Ministry of Sparts was badly rated. That encouraged Buenos Aires to bid and be, until today, the only official proposal.

    However, the Chilean Congress requested President Michelle Bachelet to support the bid anyways, and according to press reports, this was accepted and the bid will be announced today. http://www.t13.cl/noticia/deportes13/polideportivo/chile-presentara-su-candidatura-a-los-juegos-panamericanos-2023

    So, will it be Buenos Aires vs Santiago after all?

  3. Yay!!!! After so many years, finally we made it! I'm so happy and everyone here is so happy. For the first, we don't have to settle with the "at least we played really good".

    For me, this summarize everything: the Chilean team celebrating after Sánchez scored the winning penalty and, in the background, the memorial for the detained and tortured people in the National Stadium during the military dictatorship. The phrase says "A people without memory is a people with future".


  4. I'm really glad both teams will be in the finals. Chile has proven, despite some controversy, is one of the best teams in the continent at the moment and Argentina, although had some problems at the beggining, is finally starting to show all the talent of its players.

    I'm really nervous but I'm sure Chile is able to win on Saturday and finally get the championship we have been waiting for 99 years.

  5. This is becoming a tradition.

    In particular in this case, the main problem has been the political scandals of the last year which have hurted specially the Bachelet presidency. Bachelet was supposed to give a speech at the beggining (especially given she has been one of the main promoters of football activities and construction of new stadia) but she decided not to give it and have a low profile. For example, even though she has attended both of the Chile matches, she never appeared in the giant screen; in fact, I didn't know she was at the stadium with me until I saw the news the other day.

    Back to the football, this has been an interesting Cup. Some thrilling matches, Chile v Mexico, Argentina v Uruguay, Brazil v Colombia, and a lot of surprises. I haven't seen a outstanding team yet and I'm not sure who will be champion this year. Anything can happen.

    Today starts the last round of the First Stage of the Cup and no team is yet qualified nor eliminated.

    Group A: Chile 4p, Bolivia 4p, Mexico 2p, Ecuador 0p.

    Group B: Argentina 4p, Paraguay 4p, Uruguay 3p, Jamaica 0p

    Group C: Brazil, Peru, Colombia and Venezuela, all of them with 3p and 0 of goal difference.

  6. I was at the stadium and in general I liked the opening ceremony. I mean, it wasn't at the level of an Olympic opening ceremony but it was much better than other football opening ceremonies. I don't remember the one in Argentina 2011 but at least was much better than the circus of Brazil 2014 WC. To me, the only problem is that it was too slow... great that they showed the rapanui dances but I was missing something related to the mapuche people, especially considering all the graphics are based on the mapuche iconography.

    Regarding the organization, it was pretty good. I didn't have any problem to enter (i was at the queue for 20 minutes top and I got a decent seat). Only problem: the seats were dirty/discolored and it seemed like they didn't do anything to improve the National Stadium. it was a good idea of the government to bring the "green cards" and requesting the people to show it during the rival national anthem so it wasn't booed as traditionally happens. And we didn't have boring speeches... so thumbs up in general.

    Too bad the match wasn't really good (at least we won!) and it was extremely cold.

  7. I really really liked the logo. I'm surprised to find finally a logo with a meaning and not a vanguardist mix of non sense, just like in basically every single sport event in the past years.

    The main typography in "Chile 2015" seems odd to me... it's not bad itself but it doesn't make sense with the overall logo design. It should have used the geometric typography used in other texts (for example, banners).

    For those that don't understand the meaning of the visual design of the event, it is based in the geometric shapes used by the indigenous groups of Chile, especially the Mapuche people, in their clothes. The logo is based on the kultrung or cultrún, the Mapuche ceremonial drum, that has a cross design marking the 4 cardinal points. Over the kultrung are the classic 5-pointed star of the Chilean flag and a representation of the 8-pointed star, the Wüñelfe, symbol of the Mapuche people (representing Venus, the Morning Star, and the flower of the canelo, their sacred tree). Originally, the Chilean flag had its 5-pointed star with a smaller 8-pointed one inside representing the indigenous people; however, at the end it was too difficult to draw both stars and it was simplified.

    You can see other details of the logo, here

    I just loved the visual identity of the event.


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  8. Oh, wow, Argentina is attacked by the Chilean government that can't even control their own people and the Spanish one that isn't even able to lower the unemployement below 20%. Funny that even the Brazilian governement supported Argentinean one (yes, they should also relatives of Argentina to understand that irrational hate is not a good argument)... because with few exceptions, most of the oil companies are state-owned. Argentina was reverting just an stupid decision made in the irrational wage of neoliberalism in the 90s.

    Before talking about YPF, you should read something beside opposition newspapers in Argentina or Spanish ones. A good example is this piece on The Guardian (of course, written by someone with relatives from Argentina): http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/apr/18/argentina-critics-oil-nationalise

    I've heard tons of times how every change in Latin American economies will 'upset' the foreign investors, how they will run if we change taxes and we will end in poverty. And you know? Foreign investment has even incresed... even in Argentina. Why? Because even with all that problems, they still earn a lot of money. In fact, it's just plain stupid what Spain is doing upseting Argentina when they are the ones that can lose: Argentina can cut anytime their supply of soja, which represents almost 50% of the Spanish market, or start expropiating several companies like BBVA or Banco Santander; none of those ideas would be 'good' for a governement already in crisis.

    Argentina is free to choose their own economic and political model, whether we like it or not, and certainly Cristina Fernández is more worried about how to sustain the industrial growth of Argentina than hosting Olympic Games (something Spain should learn perhaps). To be honest, I don't like the protectionism and I prefer the free market economy I have -and I hate going to Buenos Aires and see how cellphones cost the triple than the ones in Santiago because they were produced in Tierra del Fuego instead of being imported from South Korea-... but Argentina is not the first nor the last country with protectionism. Brazil? China? Russia? South Korea, anyone?

    Is Argentina able to host the Young Games? I think they are, but only if their government is interested in them, exactly what didn't happen in the Copa América, which was an organizational nightmare. At this moment, I haven't seen gestures from the government yet so I'm not really sure if they will happen at the end. To be honest, I don't see sports as a priority for the Argentine gov.

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  9. Yay! Now we will have between two or six years of Danny talking each day about how terrible is Argentina and how they have the worst economy in the world.

    Yes, Argentina's INDEK is a chaos and inflation is really high, but that doesn't say they are in crisis and being unable to pull a good event.

    I'm worried that the bid could be just the idea of Mauricio Macri (mayor of Buenos Aires) who has showed is unable to do at least one good single thing. I hope the Argentine government gets involved to pull a nice bid... working just on a local level will be an embarrasing nightmare.

    A roof over the stadium like what you see with a lot of them in North America, Australiasia, Asia, Europe, and, increasingly, South America (like what Brazil is doing right now), would be a start and some great renovations to seats and the now-standard luxury boxes and suites. River Plate Stadium does have that type of potential.

    Agree. Monumental Stadium should be totally renovated. It was a shame that it didn't happen with Copa America (only used at the final match).

  10. I think that Argentina dreaming about hosting the World Cup at this moment is a reaaaally bad joke. They have just hosted the worst Copa América in the past years... the stadiums weren't the problems: it was the organization. They couldn't manage the ticket selling, the press, the accommodations, the broadcasting, etc, etc...

  11. Good lord Chile will not host the games in 2022.

    They sent three!!! athletes to Vancouver in one! sport.

    Although I wouldn't mind a games in Chile.

    For sure, Chile won't get the Olympics soon, especially considering the small coverage of the winter sports for most of the population. Although the ski centers are less than 40kms away, most of the people of Santiago don't visit them.

    So, a potential Chilean bid in 2022 would be more about awareness of the city and about the winter sports in the country.

    if new zealand builds up a respectable hockey team and pours good money into other sports i can see them winning.

    In any case, I would say a WOG in Chile would be more interesting. Santiago itself has more population than whole New Zealand and better ski centers. I think South America has a great potential to increase the participation in Winter Olympics... not only Chile, but also nearby Argentina and Brazil (most of the people currently at the ski resorts are from Brazil).

    Of course, we must start developing the winter sports before getting the Olympics.

    Interesting news, but not a good start with their bid by using illegally thee olympic rings in their logo...

    I know, but this is something "amateur", more about an awareness campaign than a real bidding intention.

    Forget the Southern Hemisphere hosting the Winter Games. It just isn't going to happen any time soon.

    There were over 2600 athletes competing at the Vancouver Games and about 2500 at the Torino Games. Fewer than 100 were from the Southern Hemisphere, and very few from that group are in the elite status of winter sport. Completely throwing the season out of whack for a novelty Games just isn't fair to the vast majority athletes. Sorry folks...but those nations "down under" have a long, long way to go before they can justify hosting the Olympic Winter Games in the middle of August.

    Most of those athletes in fact are currently training in Santiago, Bariloche or other places.

    In fact, in past years the first stages of the FIS Snowboard World Cup has taken place in Santiago and Chapelco, in early september.

    Certainly, a potential Southern Hemisphere bid should have some schedule problems, but I don't think it something a really good bid can't solve.

  12. This is an interesting piece of news I read today in one of the most influential Chilean magazines.

    The idea has no more background that any of my GamesBids contest proposal, but this is another step to put the idea of a Santiago Winter Olympic bid in discussion.


    This week, a simple but striking sticker appeared in several cars in the capital, consisting solely of the Olympic logo and the phrase "Santiago 2022."

    Behind these mysterious adhesives is the architect Federico Sanchez and the young designer Juan Carlos Labarca, which are fine-tuning the last details to officially launch the campaign for Santiago to host the Winter Olympics 2022.

    The initiative, born as the project title of Labarca at Diego Portales University, has as main objective to transform the capital into a sustainable city, thereby increasing their chances of Olympic Committee designates as the first South American host to organize the event.

    For that, among other initiatives, they think to call companies to adopt environmental measures and promoting the creation of new green areas and processing plants for household waste.


  13. Three halves? What's next? FIFA allowing players to wear burqa? Or be naked? (although I'm not totally against that proposal ^^ )

    This is becoming insane... you can't start changing the rules of the sport just because you had the GREAT idea of playing in the middle of the desert...

  14. Colombia announced they will bid for 2026... but Argentina/Uruguay have the official support of CONMEBOL for 2030 so it will be a bit contradictory to have both bids at the same time (but football organizations and consistency are not related usually, so don't worry). There are some calls about a Chilean bid, but I think after Qatar there is no way we could bid.

    So I think it will be a battle between US-Colombia-¿Canada?. Mexico could bid but if Colombia enters, they will get the Latin support instead of Mexico.

  15. ESPN+ was terrible. First of all, the guys were talking all the time about anything and nothing related to the ceremony. They started to talk how beauty Nikki was and how her dress was too short for winter while Rogge and the GG entered the stadium... I couldn't even heard the Vice-Regal March or anything that happened later. Then, in the Cultural section, they were mute for almost an hour. I understand some English so I tried to translate to my family but it was very difficult... nobody understood what was going on...

    And finally, they were supposed to be an international broadcaster... but they were totally Argentinean-biased. Everything they were talking was about something related to ARG. When Chile entered the stadium, they started to talk about how Chilean athlets train in Argentinean ski centers (???) and they didn't mentioned the number of athlets nor the flagbearer. Colombia was totally omitted and there were just two words for Peru in its inaugural parade.

    Extremely disappointed...

  16. I know TVN and Canal 13 has the rights... but they seem like nothing is happening. Today, Canal 13 announced they will broadcast everynight a summary of the WOG at 2.00 am! WTF! and TVN haven't said anything and at the time of the OC they will show the movie "Zodiac" like someone cares about it.

    At least, ESPN will do their work (the Opening Ceremony will be broadcasted live on ESPN+ ) and also will Terra.cl... but it's a shame the largest TV companies haven't done anything...

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