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  1. If South African city loses 2024, they could be extremely tough to beat in 2028 if things improve. I'm not sure 2028 is too far away and the 2024 race isn't even official yet. It's just so early.
  2. What is the liklihood of that? lol I highly doubt they would revive it. After this, we should just wait and scope out the competition for 2028.
  3. I must say I would have enjoyed seeing the city bid so it is disappointing but maybe it is best waiting for 2028 considering most international members here don't think Toronto had much of a chance for 2024. Things happen for a reason so I hope the Torontonian members on this board aren't too upset.
  4. Bid is dead for 2024. Committee rejected bid for 2024 and will look at possible bid for 2028.
  5. Anyone else notice during Ford's interview how he is trying to imply that the cost isn't $1 million but $55 million that the taxpapers would have to cover. Wasn't he informed that those funds wouldn't be coming from public funds? If he was then it's clear what he's trying to do here. Yeah, it's his strategy to persuade voters to vote No.
  6. I'm not sure. I've heard Shelley Carrol and Ana Bailao would be supportive. Michael Thompson said he was not going to support. Raymond Cho previously supported our 2008 bid as a member of city council, will he support this one? I'm not sure about the rest of the members. Kelly said we'll get an answer on whether to proceed with either 1. Just an Olympic bid 2. Just an Expo bid 3. Explore both Olympic and Expo bids further 4.Acknowledge that these bids as too premature and go for them at a later date 5.Scrap both
  7. Voting results in 25-30 minutes According to Norm Kelly on CP24
  8. Thompson would love to support it but he's been suggesting and pushing for this to be shelved. From what I took from Minan-Wong's interview, he is concerned about costs but that won't deter him from voting Yes. What concerns me the most is the negatively coming from big public figures who's voices are persuading citizens to share their views. If this bid is approved today, the committee has a lot of work cut out for them to change these negative views in more positive optimistic ones. I just realized that Minan-Wong isn't on this committee so he won't vote. Here is the list of people who will vote on this matter. Members Ana Bailão Shelley Carroll Raymond Cho Gary Crawford Chin Lee Michael Thompson (Chair)
  9. All I keep seeing on tv is Mayor Rob Ford and Deputy Mayor Norm Kelly saying that we shouldn't go forward with this bid because of the costs of bidding and the money should be spent on other issues in Toronto.
  10. CP24 is really ontop of this story. They have a reporter down at City Hall who's been updating viewers every 30 minutes.
  11. I would say there would be a majority in the Yes bracket, it was at 89% support a few years ago. It might have taken a hit since then due to citizens pissed off at our elected government officials for many reasons. I doubt it gone from a 89% to under 50%. First things first, this needs approval by the Economic committee tomorrow to continue the study at a cost of $1 million.
  12. If there is enough vocal support for a referendum I don't see why this wouldn't take place later on.
  13. You've always gone out of your way to be overtly negative in regards for Toronto bidding for an Olympics ever since you've joined the board. That's alright, your entitled to your opinion and I already know what your trying to do here by posting a non-scientific poll from The Toronto Sun, that supposedly a "co-worker" forwarded to you...hmmmm. Check the Global News Website. 66% support the bid. But you know what, I don't even take that poll seriously. http://globalnews.ca/news/1081307/toronto-to-consider-hosting-2024-olympic-games/ Point is that these polls posted on these websites don't mean much. Yeah, people forget that IPSOS Reid poll conducted for 2020. And the Toronto Sun is a joke of a newspaper. Horrible writing and who takes the newspaper seriously when they have a Pinup girl "Sunshine Girl" in the newspaper each day. Possibly, we just have to see who will indeed bid first. Like it has been said many times it is very early in this race. There could be some very high profile cities that are expected to bid that end up not going forward.
  14. I'm not sure how far Karen Stinz can go. I definitely see either John Tory or Olivia Chow winning if one of them enters. I'd prefer John Tory, I wish I had voted for him instead of David Miller when he last ran for mayor.
  15. Do you have those numbers?
  16. Why are you guys even entertaining this?
  17. It's interesting to note that this article talking about Paris says that the USA would become the frontrunner for 2024. I guess no city wants to be labeled the frontrunner early on. France mulling over 2024 bidon 16/01/2014 at 00:00, updated on 16/01/2014 at 00:30 The bitter taste of their failure to win the vote to host the 2012 Olympics still lingering, France are considering bidding for the 2024 Games. 0 Reuters Related links US to bid for 2024 Olympic Games Madrid mayor rules out 2024 bid Toronto set to bid for 2024 Olympics However, a French bid would only be put forward if they "meet the conditions for a candidacy" Sports Minister Valerie Fourneyron told a media briefing at the Foreign ministry on Wednesday. In 2005 Paris, following unsuccessful bids for the 1992 and 2008 Games, looked favourites to clinch the 2012 Summer Games but was pipped by London -- a result that left France stunned. Last April, the Sports ministry and the National Olympic Committee created the French Committee for International Sports (CFSI) to shape the country's international sports policy. "There is no point in going (for an Olympic bid) just because we're taken by it, we also need a strategy," the CFSI president, Bernard Lapasset, who is also the International Rugby Board (IRB) president, said. While the 2012 London bid was led by double Olympic champion Sebastian Coe, the Paris bid was spearheaded by entrepreneur Philippe Baudillon, not exactly a recognizable face. Now it seems France has learnt the lesson. "We need the implication of the athletes from the beginning," double fencing Olympic champion Laura Flessel-Colovic told the briefing, which was chaired by French Foreign minister Laurent Fabius. "Let's face it, we are potential consultants. We have a lot of power and it's not used enough." Lapasset added: We all have this fantastic desire of hosting the Olympic Games in France one day. "Let's put our heart, our energy into it, but also our intellect, our capacity to build a project that meets the requirements of the IOC." France's hope to run for a 2024 bid could suffer an early setback should the United States enter the race. Having fully restored their ties with IOC after years of disputes over revenue sharing, the U.S. are eyeing a bid for 2024 that would almost immediately become the frontrunner in that race after the snub for Chicago for 2016. Applications to host the 2024 Olympics are expected to land at the IOC as of 2015. http://asia.eurosport.com/olympic-games/france-mulling-over-2024-bid_sto4090432/story.shtml
  18. I never noticed that correlation. I still wouldn't say that its going to NA because of that.
  19. This point alone in the report convinces me that Toronto will bid. We've discussed it before as well. The same point would be valid for the USA if Toronto wins. ► If Toronto does not bid for 2024 and the Games are awarded to a U.S. City, it is likely that Toronto will not have a reasonable chance of winning until at least the 2036 Summer Games.
  20. It doesn't say NA isn't. It says based on historical data, no Olympics have gone 2 or 3 cycles without returning back to Europe which would favour a European candidate for 2024. They also say this: In addition, a review of the pattern of continental rotation for the summer games indicates that the summer games have never gone more than 12 years without a summer games in Europe. As the 2016 games are in Rio de Janeiro and the 2020 games will be in Tokyo, the historic pattern of summer Games would seemingly favour a European bid for 2024. However, there is no certainty that this will occur
  21. A Suburb?
  22. The Games Strengths ► The City is in the Eastern time zone, which allows Olympics to be in U.S. primetime and therefore increasing the potential amount of television rights money flowing into the Games ► The Vancouver Olympic Games were a success and the results should provide the IOC with some comfort in respect of another Canadian city hosting the Games ► Existing Pan Am sites could be used for training facilities Weaknesses ► Existing facilities and sites to be used for the Pan Am Games may not meet Olympic standards for a variety of reasons ► Certain sites that were planned for the 2008 Games bid are no longer available ► Due to Toronto’s geography, it may be necessary to have several sites away from the main Olympic cluster, thus lengthening travel times and bringing traffic into play Opportunities ► No North American city has hosted the Summer Olympics since Atlanta in 1996 so 2024 could be a good chance to bring the Games back to this continent ► Depending on the site of the main Olympic complex, it may be possible to kick start development in an underdeveloped part of the City ► Toronto is a very diverse city and this may play well with members of the IOC ► Provided the Pan Am Games go well in 2015, Toronto will be able to demonstrate that it is capable of organizing a large scale sporting event ► Olympic Games often leave significant legacy items for the host city (sporting venues, transit infrastructure, etc.) Threats ► The awarding of the 2020 games to Tokyo may be detrimental. Since World War II the Summer Olympics have never been out of Europe for more than 12 years in a row. As the 2016 games will be in Rio de Janeiro and 2020 in Tokyo, tradition may put the summer games back in Europe for 2024. ► The United States is likely to bid for the 2024 Games and any bid by the City may be in direct competition with a very strong and high profile U.S. city ► The IOC views North and South America as one region, so the Rio Games of 2016 may work against another bid from the Americas ► The awarding of the Games is a highly political process and there is no guarantee that the best technical bid will be awarded the Games Best Site for Olympics Village Woodbine Racetrack Centre Pros ► Large undeveloped area within the City ► Large footprint of land could be used for a number of events ► Good access to highways as Highway 427 is nearby ► Close to Pearson International Airport Cons ► Limited transit links, although a spur from the airport link could be built ► Not owned by the City ► Few hotels in the area ► Games may not be consistent with the owner’s plans for future development Downsview/York University Pros ► Large enough footprint to house a number of key venues although the Downsview site has approximately 240 acres of space that could be used for Games venues ► Currently underdeveloped and could use the Games as a catalyst ► Good access to highways, subway and airport ► Two facilities are close together ► York has significant undeveloped land ► Several training sites could be located at York as a result of Pan Am facility construction Cons ► Land not owned by the City ► Height restrictions as a result of the airport at Downsview ► Not close to downtown and few hotels in the area ► Governance issues at York in terms of land north of Steeles ► Does not lend itself to a “compact” Games given the need to spread out the venues ► Size(100 hectares available for Games use) may limit the number of venues that can be included in the main cluster Exhibition Place/Ontario Place Pros ► Close to downtown and hotels ► Large footprint of land (197 acres in total for Exhibition Place and approximately 100 acres for Ontario Place) could be used for a number of events but much of the site has buildings on it with approximately 15 acres of parking lot being the only significant unoccupied space ► Good access to highways and likely close to the athletes’ village ► Being used for Pan Am Games Cons ► Many buildings are listed as heritage sites and special consideration may need to be given to them ► No significant mass transit connections although an upgrade to the current Exhibition GO station may assist in this regard ► The future of Ontario Place is currently uncertain ► Impact on the current Indy race is unknown as it uses the grounds extensively ► Impact of BMO Field is uncertain The Port Lands Pros ► Large enough footprint to house a number of key venues as the City owns in excess of 400 acres in the are ► Currently underdeveloped and could use the Games as a catalyst ► Potentially a very picturesque view of the City if redevelopment were to occur ► Disruption to the rest of the City could be contained in one area ► Security costs could be minimized if many venues were in one cluster ► Close to downtown and major hotels Cons ► Geographically isolated with few transit links ► Access could be problematic with current road network ► There may be flooding concerns, but EY notes this area was not impacted by flooding as a result of the July 2013 “super storm” ► Site preparation is estimated to cost in excess of $1.1 billion by certain governmental agencies but this number has not been fully updated to include costs related to the Games ► What is to be done with the venues once the Games are complete and does that fit with the City’s current plan for the area? ► Not currently serviced with sewers etc. ► Environmental remediation required
  23. Other Canadian Cities Potentially Hosting the Olympics in 2024 Based on a review of available public media sources, EY has concluded as follows: ► Quebec City had initially planned on submitting a bid for th e 2022 Olympic Winter Games. However, it is no longer interested in hosting the 2022 Games and has withdrawn its name from consideration. ► It appears that no other Canadian city has expressed an in terest in hosting either the 2022 or 2024 Olympic Games. Based on the factors above, it appears that the City would have no significant competition in obtaining COC approval to submit a bid for the 2024 Olympic Games. Other Non-Canadian Cities Considering Hosting the 2024 Olympic Games On September 7, 2013, Tokyo, Japan was announced as the Host City for the 2020 Olympic Summer Games. The table below sets out the hosts of the Olympic Summer Games since World War II. Of the 19 Summer Olympic Games listed above, 8 have been held in Europe. The Summer Olympic Games are held in Europe every 2 or 3 Olympic cycles, although there is no guarantee this would happen in the future. If the Games were awarded to the City, this would be the largest post-War stretch without a Summer Olympic Games being held in Europe i.e. a minimum of 3 Olympic Games in a row without one being held in Europe. In media releases immediately following the winning bid announcement, the following were provided as key elements of the bid submitted by Tokyo: ► Japanese stability was an important aspect of the bid and it was seen as a “safe pair of hands”; ► The Tokyo bid was financially the most appealing given its reasonable scope; ► Japan does not have significant doping concerns compared to the other nations; and ► Japan’s bid presentation was very well received by the IOC de legates and is thought to have been a significant deciding Based on media searches conducted by EY, we have identified a number of cities that may be considering hosting the 2024 Olympic Games. However, given the early stage of bidding for the Games, EY cautions that this list is preliminary only and that a large number of changes are likely. A summary of each city can be found in Appendix “F” to this Olympic Report: Istanbul, Turkey Madrid, Spain Paris, France Berlin, Germany Kiev, Ukraine Durban, South Africa Nairobi, Kenya Guadalajara, Mexico St. Petersburg, Russia Doha, Qatar A U.S. City The following U.S. cities are considering a bid: ► Boston ► Washington ► Los Angeles ► New York ► San Francisco ► Dallas ► Philadelphia While Toronto has many people with extensive bid experience, and the benefit of the Toronto 2008 bid documentation and planning, there is no certainty that Toronto can mount a winning bid. While there are a number of countries which will consider a bid for 2024, the likely competitors will be one of the European cities which lost for 2020 and a U.S. city. The most significant competition for Toronto would likely be a U.S. city as the summer games have not been held in North America since 1996. A U.S. city will be strong competition for Toronto, especially if it is in the Eastern Time zone as a host city in the Eastern Time zone will have a significant impact on television ratings/revenues. We note that Atlanta won in 1996 beating Toronto by one vote; however, there were many issues with the handling of the Atlanta games which may play in Toronto’s favour. In addition, a review of the pattern of continental rotation for the summer games indicates that the summer games have never gone more than 12 years without a summer games in Europe. As the 2016 games are in Rio de Janeiro and the 2020 games will be in Tokyo, the historic pattern of summer Games would seemingly favour a European bid for 2024. However, there is no certainty that this will occur. Finally we note that: ► If Toronto does not bid for 2024 and the Games are awarded to a U.S. City, it is likely that Toronto will not have a reasonable chance of winning until at least the 2036 Summer Games; ► The bidding process is uncertain and winning can result from good campaigning or by mistakes/weaknesses from the other bid cities; and ► It is possible that most of the bid costs can be covered through corporate sponsorships, although significant work will be required to obtain such sponsorships. Sponsorships ahead of the Games being awarded were common with the bid by Vancouver for the 2010 Winter Olympic Games. For example, Telus was a sponsor of the bid committee but did not ultimately win the right to sponsor the organizing committee once the Winter Games were awarded to Vancouver. Profiles of Potential Competing Cities: Washington, DC, USA We have identified the following considerations in respect of a potential bid by Washington, DC: ► Washington, as home to the seat of U.S. government, may have significant advantages in terms of security costs as much of this is already embedded in the city’s infrastructure. ► Having the Games in the U.S. capital could be seen as being a significant positive by the IOC. However, given the U.S. reputation around the world, this could just as easily work against a bid from the U.S. ► The level of violent crime in Washington is significantly higher than that of Toronto. However, given that the 2016 Games were awarded to Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, this may not be a significant factor. ► Washington does not have significant experience in running la rge scale games. A successful Pan Am experience could be a significant advantage to the City. ► Washington, based on its U.S. location, may be seen as more attractive in terms of television revenue. ► Washington has excellent transportation links internationally, although Toronto is also strong in this area. ► The last Olympic Summer Games in North America were in Atlanta, another U.S. city, and this could work against a bid from Washington. Boston, United States We have identified the following considerations in respect of a potential bid by Boston: ► Boston has undertaken legislative actions to enable it to bid for the 2024 Games, although final approval is still to be approved. ► Many of the same considerations in respect of Washington’s geog raphic location also apply to Boston. It is also close to a large number of U.S. media outlets, which would presumably enhance coverage of the Games. ► Boston, like Washington, has never organized a large sporting event on the scale of the Games. As such, a successful Pan Am games for Toronto could be a significant advantage. City of Toronto Feasibility Study in Respect of Hosting the 2024 Olympic Games 107 | Subject to the terms of reference on pages 2, 3 and 4. Los Angeles, United States We have identified the following considerations in respect of a potential bid by Los Angeles: ► The mayor of Los Angeles has formally expressed an interest in hosting the 2024 Olympic Games. ► Los Angeles has hosted the Olympic Games twice before, in 1932 and 1984. The 1984 are one of the most successful Games to date from a profitability perspective. ► Having the Games a third time may work against a bid from Los Angeles. However, having successfully organized a Games before could work against the city. ► The fact that Los Angeles is on the west coast of North America could lessen television revenue. However, it could be possible to schedule events such that this impact is minimized for the larger population on the east coast. ► Los Angeles is a geographically large city that is well develope d. This could work against a Los Angeles bid as the venues may be some distance apart and the IOC has recently chosen cities that hold “compact” Games. Dallas, United States We have identified the following considerations in respect of a potential bid by Dallas: ► Dallas has formed an exploratory committee to study the feasibility of hosting the 2024 Games. ► There are a large number of stadia in the Dallas area, which could be attractive for the Games. However, as most are currently designed for other sports, they would need to be renovated to be usable for the Games. ► Dallas has an extremely hot, humid summer climate. This wo uld compare unfavourably to a Toronto bid, as it could be prohibitively hot to hold some outdoor games. As an exampl e, the local Major League Baseball team does not play during the day due to the excessive temperatures. ► Dallas has identified Fair Park, an area just outside downtown, as the principle Olympic venue. ► Dallas has hosted the FIFA World Cup as part of the United States’ tournament in 1994, so it does have large organizing experience. That being said, single World Cup games are signif icantly different than a two week Olympic Games. 1994 was also another era in terms of security, so this will need to be addressed if Dallas is to bid. Philadelphia, United States We have identified the following considerations in respect of a potential bid by Philadelphia: ► The Mayor of Philadelphia has expressed an interest in hosting the 2024 Games. ► Philadelphia is in a very densely populated area of the United States which will be very useful when it comes to ticket sales. ► Philadelphia does not have significant experience in organizing large scale events, although there are a large number of professional sports teams in the area. ► Philadelphia shares the geographic criteria of both Boston an d Washington and benefits from the same positives as those two cities. ► Philadelphia has previously bid on Olympic Games, although it lost out to Chicago in the bidding for the 2016 Games. ► Philadelphia compares well to Toronto in terms of international transit links. Guadalajara, Mexico ► Guadalajara has previously hosted a well-run Pan Am Games (i n 2011) and has experience in organizing large scale events. ► Significant upgrades to municipal infrastructure were undertaken and transportation links are up to date. ► The last Games in Mexico were in 1968 which could be an ad vantage over a Toronto bid, as Canada has had several Games since that time. ► Given that Guadalajara is not in the Eastern time zone, it may be less attractive for television sponsorship. However, the time difference is not that great and could likely be overcome. Nairobi, Kenya ► In August 2012, the Prime Minister of Kenya indicated that Na irobi would be putting forth a bid to host the 2024 Games. ► The Olympics have never before been held in Africa and this may be an attractive venue for the IOC. ► Infrastructure and transit links in Nairobi do not compare well to Toronto, nor does Nairobi have significant infrastructure to be able to host the Games. Durban, South Africa ► The South African Olympic Committee has begun a feasibility study to examine the impacts of hosting the Games in Durban. ► Durban has experience organizing large scale events, as it was host to World Cup matches in 2010. ► As part of the World Cup, the main stadium in the city was renovated, but the capacity is only 54,000, so work would need to be done to expand it for the Olympics. ► Similar to Nairobi, Durban may be an attractive location for the Games given that they have never before been held in Africa. ► Hotel rooms in Durban do not compare favourably with Toronto’s 36,000 rooms. ► Toronto’s transportation infrastructure is better than that of Durban. Doha, Qatar ► Doha has previously bid on Olympic Games and has indi cated a willingness to bid for the 2024 Games as well. ► The summer climate in Doha is not conducive to the Games being held in their traditional time period, as daytime temperatures can reach 50 degrees Celsius. The 2022 FIFA World Cup has been awarded to Qatar and there has been significant outcry given to the local climate. ► Doha is a very wealthy per capita nation, although the population is less than 2 million people overall. Consideration should be given to whether a nation of this size has the ability to host a successful Games. ► Given the upcoming World Cup, it is expected that Qatar will ha ve sufficient infrastructure by 2024 as the World Cup is prior to this date. Baku, Azerbaijan ► Baku has submitted bids for both the 2016 and 2020 Olympic Games, but failed to become a Candidate City both times. ► Infrastructure and transit links in Baku do not compare favourably with those offered by the City. ► Bake has hosted the FIFA Under 17 Women`s World Cup and is due to host the 2015 European Games. Such experiences could be leveraged in an Olympic bid. ► Most venues would need to be constructed, and the city`s previous bids have contemplated a very compact Games, something the IOC favours. Casablanca, Morocco ► A large 80,000 seat stadium is currently under construction in Casablanca. It has been suggested by officials in the city that it could be used for either the 2024 or 2028 Olympic Games. ► However, despite prior announcements, there has been very little additional information made available. ► Casablanca’s close proximity to Europe could make it an attractive option. ► If Casablanca were to host the Games, it would be the first African city to do so, which may be attractive to the IOC. Taipei, Taiwan ► The President of Taipei has indicated, as recently as 2011 that Taipei would be bidding for the Games. ► The political situation between Taiwan and China could be a major issue for the IOC to deal with. ► The IOC may also want to avoid an Olympic Games so close to China, who hosed the Olympic Games in 2008. ► Television revenue would be impacted for a Taiwanese bid, as the country is not close to either North America or Europe, the two largest television markets in the world. City of Toronto Feasibility Study in Respect of Hosting the 2024 Olympic Games 111 | Subject to the terms of reference on pages 2, 3 and 4. Busan, South Korea ► Busan’s chances for the Games will likely be negatively impacted by the fact that South Korea is already hosting the 2018 Winter Olympic Games as the IOC may not want 2 Olympi c Games within the same country only 6 years apart. ► Busan has previously hosted several large events, including World Cup matches, the 2002 Asian Games and the 2005 Asia- Pacific Economic Cooperation (“ APEC ”) meeting. ► Similar to Taiwan, television revenues may be negatively impacted by an Asian time zone. Paris, France ► Paris has bid for a number of Olympic Games including 1992, 2008 and 2012. ► Paris, as a leading world capital, offers many features that would be attractive to the IOC. These include infrastructure, hotels and transit links in addition to a high number of cultural attractions. ► Paris previously held the Olympic Games in 1904 so the IOC ma y wish to honour prior competitions by awarding future Olympic Games to Paris. ► Paris, at the heart of Europe, is easy to reach and is central to a high number of people. Berlin, Germany ► Berlin previously held the Olympics in 1936 while Germany was under Nazi control. The IOC may wish to allow Germany another opportunity to host the Games given the circumstances in 1936. ► Germany, as Europe’s most populous country (excluding Russia which is largely in Asia), is central to the continent and offers many of the same benefits as Paris. ► Germany held the World Cup in 2006 and that tournament was a resounding success so it speaks to Germany’s ability to host large scale sporting events. Rome, Italy ► Rome previously held the Olympic Games in 1960. ► Italy is a popular tourist destination and would be very attractive to the IOC. ► Italy is well-connected to the rest of Europe via air and rail links. ► Two European cities are currently Candidate Cities for the 2020 Olympic Games and the outcome of this selection could have a strong bearing on Kiev’s candidacy. St. Petersburg, Russia ► Sochi, Russia will be hosting the 2014 Winter Olympic Games so there may be a negative impact on a St. Petersburg bid given another recent Russian city hosting the Olympic Games. ► Russia has also been awarded the 2018 FIFA World Cup, so it will have an opportunity to host large scale events prior to the Games being held. ► The current political climate in Russia is not particularly welcoming to certain segments of the world population while Toronto is currently one of the most multicultural cities in the world. Kiev, Ukraine ► Kiev has experience in hosting large events, as it was host to several matches during EURO 2012. ► The infrastructure for the EURO 2012 tournament will assist Kiev if it decides to bid for the Games. ► Kiev is not as connected to the rest of Europe as many of the other potential hosts, so it may be less attractive to the IOC in that regard. ► Two European cities are currently Candidate Cities for the 2020 Olympic Games and the outcome of this selection could have a strong bearing on Kiev’s candidacy.
  24. The Portlands will still be the site of the Olympic village (2008 bid). Glad to hear! Assumptions are Olympic stadium is 70,000-80000 capacity. A brand new subway line downtown (High scenario) would be required.
  25. Here is the actual report on the feasibility study for Toronto 2024. 239 pages of it http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2014/ed/bgrd/backgroundfile-65721.pdf
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