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  1. Is it really that big of a deal hosting an Olympics in Melbourne during August? Yes it gets a bit nippy, but its not like a true Northern Hemisphere winter. The only sports it would be particularly problematic for are triathlon and open water swimming (hardly marquee events) and I suppose beach volleyball (which they could compromise and host indoors). It wouldn't have a major impact on local attendance, except for street events if it rained (the average rainfall in Melbourne in August is comparable to London and Rio but significantly less than Beijing). Sure, it doesn't quite fit with the "Summer" moniker, but who cares about that technicality? I doubt that would be a determining factor. I think Melbourne's coolness is far less of a serious risk for the IOC to contemplate than the potential unreliability of Athens and Rio.
  2. Melbourne is positioned stupendously to host an Olympic Games on short notice. Indeed, the only major piece of infrastructure absent from the city's illustrious portfolio of sports venues is a major aquatics arena. Virtually every sport on the Olympic programme could already be accommodated by existing infrastructure, as exemplified by the following hypothetical plan: If Melbourne were to bid, undoubtedly the constituent cluster used for the Games would be the Melbourne Sports and Entertainment Precinct, situated directly south-east of the city's central grid. The venue plan for this vast precinct may look something like this: · Melbourne Cricket Ground, existing, capacity of 100,000: Hosts Ceremonies, Rugby 7's, Athletics, start/finish of the Marathons and the Men's Football Final · Rod Laver Arena (within National Tennis Centre), existing, 15,000: Artistic Gymnastics, Trampolining and Basketball Finals · Hisense Arena (within National Tennis Centre), existing, 10,500: Basketball preliminaries, Tennis (week 2, centre court for last 6 days of competition) · Margaret Court Arena (within National Tennis Centre), existing, 7,500: Tennis (week 2, centre court for first 3 days of competition), Rhythmic Gymnastics · Other show-courts (within National Tennis Centre), existing: Tennis · New outdoor show-court (part of further hypothetical expansions of National Tennis Centre), 7-10,000, Beach Volleyball · Melbourne Rectangular Stadium, existing, 32,000: Hockey · Re-acquisition of an AFL oval within the Olympic Park precinct for the temporary training track · The roads surrounding the nearby Royal Botanical Gardens precinct (opposite side of the river to the sports precinct) could host the Road Cycling Races The Melbourne Convention and Exhibition Centre consists of the largest pillarless floor space in the Southern Hemisphere (with albeit halted plans for further expansion), making it conducive to hosting multiple Olympic disciplines simultaneously (which it did at the Commonwealth Games). It is located directly opposite the city's central grid on the south side of the river. · Temporary Hall 1: Wrestling and Judo · Temporary Hall 2: Handball · Temporary Hall 3: Boxing · Plenary Hall: Weightlifting To the immediate west of the city's central grid is Docklands, a vast area which has undergone urban renewal for the past 20 years. Development will continue in the nearby areas of Fisherman's Bend and the E-Gate precinct. · Docklands Stadium, existing, 56,000: Football. (This stadium will need to be the primary venue for the AFL season, so it may not be suitable even for Football (playing surface)). · The E-Gate precinct is a vast unused space to the immediate north-west of the city’s central grid that is slated for redevelopment in the coming decade. The current plan is to transform it into a medium-high density suburb accommdating10,000 residents. Sports facilities (recreational) are likely to be constructed within the precinct. The area is 10 minute walk from the city’s central grid and adequately serviced by public transport connections due to its proximity to North Melbourne Station (key hub). For an Olympic bid in the near future, it would be logical to use this possible residential area as the Athlete’s Village immediately after completion. A major recreational sports centre could be established within the site to service the north-western suburbs (MSAC is relatively difficult to access from the north of the Yarra), as the growth of Melbourne may lead to demand for such a facility. It could consist of an aquatic hall with temporary seating for 15,000-20,000, to host Swimming, Water Polo Finals and Diving. · New permanent velodrome to replace the part-time arrangement at Hisense Arena. The venue could be situated within the E-Gate precinct or Fisherman's Bend. Track Cycling The World Heritage listed Royal Exhibition Building in the Carlton Gardens is located immediately north of the city's central grid. The building was used during the 1956 Olympics · Fencing, Taekwondo The Melbourne Sports and Aquatics Centre is a large recreational and training facility located in Albert Park (home to the Australian F1 GP racing circuit) around 25 minutes walk south of the city. An Olympics would likely attract investment to this facility, with perhaps a new indoor arena redeveloped (replacing the existing arena which is undersized). · Outdoor roofed pool, existing, 3,000 (capacity can be increased to 12,000): Water Polo preliminaries, Synchronized Swimming and Modern Pentathlon (swimming component) · Table Tennis Hall, existing (with temporary seating): Table Tennis and Modern Pentathlon (Fencing component) · Badminton Hall, existing (with temporary seating): Badminton · Indoor arena, new, 10,000 (reduced to say 5,000 post Games): Indoor Volleyball · Lakeside Stadium (neighbouring venue), existing, 12,000: Archery and Modern Pentathlon (running component) · F1 racing track (through picturesque parkland): Road Walks St Kilda is a historic suburb located by Port Phillip Bay, 10-15 minute drive south of the city’s central grid. This area would likely be used as a hub for outdoor “free” events. · Triathlon · Start/Finish Road Cycling Time Trials (route south along Beach Rd) · Sailing Around 10-15 minute drive north of the city’s central grid is a precinct of world class facilities suitable to host the equestrian events. · Flemington Racecourse, 130,000, existing: Eventing · Royal Melbourne Showgrounds Main Arena, 4,300 (easily expandable with temporary seating): Show-jumping, Eventing and Modern Pentathlon (show-jumping component) Other sports would need to be hosted in outer suburbs or regional areas. · Melbourne International Shooting Club (Port Melbourne), existing: Pistol and Air Rifle Shooting and Modern Pentathlon (shooting component) · Melbourne Gun Club (Lilydale), existing: Clay Target Shooting · Royal Melbourne Golf Club (Black Rock), existing (ranked in the top 10 golf courses in the world): Golf · Lysterfield Park (Dandenong), existing: Mountain Cycling · Werribee Park National Equestrian Centre (Werribee): Dressage With only minor redevelopments to existing infrastructure (some of which are likely to occur in the coming decades anyway (further expansions to the National Tennis Centre)) and the addition of temporary seating to halls and exhibition spaces, this plan accommodates almost every discipline on the Olympic programme. It does, however, necessitate the construction of three major sports venues: a new velodrome (the capacity at Hisense Arena is insufficient for an Olympics), an additional aquatic centre (the capacity at MSAC is insufficient for an Olympics) and a rowing and canoeing centre.
  3. Excellent result Now that that's done... Go Paris 2024!!
  4. Already had one disappointing election result today, another would make for a rather bad day. I had a nice dinner at least
  5. I have been travelling all year so I haven't paid as much attention to this race as I usually do. Nevertheless, my recent week in Istanbul means I have now visited each of the candidate cities. So from a personal perspective, I certainly hope Tokyo hosts in 2020. I have been somewhat confused by replies on this thread saying Istanbul is not competing against a "London, Paris or Beijing". No, its competing against another of the world's greatest cities. I wouldn't begrudge an Istanbul Olympics, because it is a great city. It would, however, leave a bad taste for me because of the economic disparity between Istanbul and the Kurdish dominated South-East of Turkey. I really hope that Madrid is not awarded the games because it is among my least favourite cities I have ever visited.
  6. and i dont understand why modern pentathlon isnt low enough! its not a sport!
  7. 1) Athletics 2) Aquatics 3) Cycling 4) Gymnastics 5) Rowing 6) Canoeing 7) Basketball 8) Field hockey 9) Weightlifting 10) Volleyball 11) Judo 12) Handball 13) Tennis 14) Archery 15) Triathlon 16) Football 17) Shooting 18) Wrestling 19) Rugby Sevens 20) Sailing 21) Boxing 22) Fencing 23) Badminton 24) Equestrian 25) Table tennis 26) Golf 27) Taekwondo 28) Modern Pentathlon
  8. well thats just a totally baseless assumption i don't agree with. Why then is THAT a hindrance? If Paris avoid lobbying this point, then I can only look on that comment with bemusement. Its not as if its a bad thing, just a coincidence that, if anything, might be slightly beneficial; if the French allow the IOC members to discover this centennial on their own accord.
  9. Well maybe for you but i very much doubt Paris would just be "brushed aside". Your right. Why should the IOC give the games to Paris just on account of an opportunity to celebrate their centennial, when they could give the games to Paris for the city being one of the world's most famous, iconic and popular; foor it being a highly developed city of 10 million+; and for France being a major political and sporting power?
  10. But if they don't, then they may And why is it unlikely But then they might be!
  11. Ahhh that makes more sense. if a sport is voted off, I would doubt they'd subsequently by the selected 28th sport; I would imagine the IOC would favour something shiny and new. I hope that won't be the system indefinitely because it seems like it could evolve into removing sports for no justifiable reason other than to add something new.
  12. Melbourne's historical value from a world perspective is insignificant (unlike Athens, Beijing, London) so that's not going to be a "draw card" (and it wasn't for Sydney either). Almost every major city is also growing, most at a faster rate (outside Europe). Yes we'd have to settle for September, but is offering 18-20 degrees weather really going to pull the votes in? I was replying to FYI's assertion that if my opinion was applied to Australia's case, he would only support a Sydney bid. And I can completely see justification for that because Sydney has the spectacular panoramic views which makes it appealing and famous internationally. Melbourne lacks this and any WOW! factor so I can understand why people would be ho-hum about Melbourne but actually it surprises me how much support Melbourne seems to get on this forum from non-Australians. Just to be clear, I DO think Melbourne is worthy of hosting another Olympics and preferential to Sydney for our next Games, but not for a very long time. Likewise, I have a similar view with the US. SF, Chicago, LA are worthy hosts but I don't believe sufficient time has past between US hosts considering the likely opposition, so if the US want an Olympics earlier than I (emphasis on I) believe they should have, than I'd only support New York. And I can't see MYSELF supporting SF, LA, Chicago against many cities recently touting interest in the Games unless the timing was right. But not if Tokyo, Paris, South Africa bidded? Well yes, why the hell would a non-Australian want to see Melbourne ahead of Paris, Rome, New York? I really don't understand the enthusiasm non-Australians have for Melbourne on this forum. One MUST unquestionably support a bid from their country if they are to be deemed patriotic? Is it unAustralian of me NOT to support the idea of Melbourne 2024? I would be very sad, especially from this forum, if the answer was "yes".
  13. Of course I would, since its my home city. But I've consistently been critical of bids or potential bids attempting to host the Games so soon after their country has staged the Games. So if Melbourne were to bid for 2024 and there were other candidates I considered more worthy, then Melbourne would not be my preference and I genuinely mean that. Most of the venues and infrastructure are already sufficient, Sydney hosted just 12 years ago and the country regularly hosts major sporting events anyway so it wouldn't do much for the city winning an Olympic bid other than satisfying our egos. I don't believe Australia should be awarded another Games until at least 2040 and probably later. I'm a little bit confused by that comment because I'm not sure what I said to imply I didn't believe Americans would get behind an American bid if it is not New York :/ . I said i would not get behind an American bid if it is not New York, and I am not American. Perhaps I've misinterpreted the thread as being "What American city would you like to host the next games?" rather than who should host. To that end, I would still say New York though it depends on when the US should host the Games again.
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