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  1. Is it really that big of a deal hosting an Olympics in Melbourne during August? Yes it gets a bit nippy, but its not like a true Northern Hemisphere winter. The only sports it would be particularly problematic for are triathlon and open water swimming (hardly marquee events) and I suppose beach volleyball (which they could compromise and host indoors). It wouldn't have a major impact on local attendance, except for street events if it rained (the average rainfall in Melbourne in August is comparable to London and Rio but significantly less than Beijing). Sure, it doesn't quite fit with the "Summer" moniker, but who cares about that technicality? I doubt that would be a determining factor. I think Melbourne's coolness is far less of a serious risk for the IOC to contemplate than the potential unreliability of Athens and Rio.
  2. Melbourne is positioned stupendously to host an Olympic Games on short notice. Indeed, the only major piece of infrastructure absent from the city's illustrious portfolio of sports venues is a major aquatics arena. Virtually every sport on the Olympic programme could already be accommodated by existing infrastructure, as exemplified by the following hypothetical plan: If Melbourne were to bid, undoubtedly the constituent cluster used for the Games would be the Melbourne Sports and Entertainment Precinct, situated directly south-east of the city's central grid. The venue plan for this vast precinct may look something like this: · Melbourne Cricket Ground, existing, capacity of 100,000: Hosts Ceremonies, Rugby 7's, Athletics, start/finish of the Marathons and the Men's Football Final · Rod Laver Arena (within National Tennis Centre), existing, 15,000: Artistic Gymnastics, Trampolining and Basketball Finals · Hisense Arena (within National Tennis Centre), existing, 10,500: Basketball preliminaries, Tennis (week 2, centre court for last 6 days of competition) · Margaret Court Arena (within National Tennis Centre), existing, 7,500: Tennis (week 2, centre court for first 3 days of competition), Rhythmic Gymnastics · Other show-courts (within National Tennis Centre), existing: Tennis · New outdoor show-court (part of further hypothetical expansions of National Tennis Centre), 7-10,000, Beach Volleyball · Melbourne Rectangular Stadium, existing, 32,000: Hockey · Re-acquisition of an AFL oval within the Olympic Park precinct for the temporary training track · The roads surrounding the nearby Royal Botanical Gardens precinct (opposite side of the river to the sports precinct) could host the Road Cycling Races The Melbourne Convention and Exhibition Centre consists of the largest pillarless floor space in the Southern Hemisphere (with albeit halted plans for further expansion), making it conducive to hosting multiple Olympic disciplines simultaneously (which it did at the Commonwealth Games). It is located directly opposite the city's central grid on the south side of the river. · Temporary Hall 1: Wrestling and Judo · Temporary Hall 2: Handball · Temporary Hall 3: Boxing · Plenary Hall: Weightlifting To the immediate west of the city's central grid is Docklands, a vast area which has undergone urban renewal for the past 20 years. Development will continue in the nearby areas of Fisherman's Bend and the E-Gate precinct. · Docklands Stadium, existing, 56,000: Football. (This stadium will need to be the primary venue for the AFL season, so it may not be suitable even for Football (playing surface)). · The E-Gate precinct is a vast unused space to the immediate north-west of the city’s central grid that is slated for redevelopment in the coming decade. The current plan is to transform it into a medium-high density suburb accommdating10,000 residents. Sports facilities (recreational) are likely to be constructed within the precinct. The area is 10 minute walk from the city’s central grid and adequately serviced by public transport connections due to its proximity to North Melbourne Station (key hub). For an Olympic bid in the near future, it would be logical to use this possible residential area as the Athlete’s Village immediately after completion. A major recreational sports centre could be established within the site to service the north-western suburbs (MSAC is relatively difficult to access from the north of the Yarra), as the growth of Melbourne may lead to demand for such a facility. It could consist of an aquatic hall with temporary seating for 15,000-20,000, to host Swimming, Water Polo Finals and Diving. · New permanent velodrome to replace the part-time arrangement at Hisense Arena. The venue could be situated within the E-Gate precinct or Fisherman's Bend. Track Cycling The World Heritage listed Royal Exhibition Building in the Carlton Gardens is located immediately north of the city's central grid. The building was used during the 1956 Olympics · Fencing, Taekwondo The Melbourne Sports and Aquatics Centre is a large recreational and training facility located in Albert Park (home to the Australian F1 GP racing circuit) around 25 minutes walk south of the city. An Olympics would likely attract investment to this facility, with perhaps a new indoor arena redeveloped (replacing the existing arena which is undersized). · Outdoor roofed pool, existing, 3,000 (capacity can be increased to 12,000): Water Polo preliminaries, Synchronized Swimming and Modern Pentathlon (swimming component) · Table Tennis Hall, existing (with temporary seating): Table Tennis and Modern Pentathlon (Fencing component) · Badminton Hall, existing (with temporary seating): Badminton · Indoor arena, new, 10,000 (reduced to say 5,000 post Games): Indoor Volleyball · Lakeside Stadium (neighbouring venue), existing, 12,000: Archery and Modern Pentathlon (running component) · F1 racing track (through picturesque parkland): Road Walks St Kilda is a historic suburb located by Port Phillip Bay, 10-15 minute drive south of the city’s central grid. This area would likely be used as a hub for outdoor “free” events. · Triathlon · Start/Finish Road Cycling Time Trials (route south along Beach Rd) · Sailing Around 10-15 minute drive north of the city’s central grid is a precinct of world class facilities suitable to host the equestrian events. · Flemington Racecourse, 130,000, existing: Eventing · Royal Melbourne Showgrounds Main Arena, 4,300 (easily expandable with temporary seating): Show-jumping, Eventing and Modern Pentathlon (show-jumping component) Other sports would need to be hosted in outer suburbs or regional areas. · Melbourne International Shooting Club (Port Melbourne), existing: Pistol and Air Rifle Shooting and Modern Pentathlon (shooting component) · Melbourne Gun Club (Lilydale), existing: Clay Target Shooting · Royal Melbourne Golf Club (Black Rock), existing (ranked in the top 10 golf courses in the world): Golf · Lysterfield Park (Dandenong), existing: Mountain Cycling · Werribee Park National Equestrian Centre (Werribee): Dressage With only minor redevelopments to existing infrastructure (some of which are likely to occur in the coming decades anyway (further expansions to the National Tennis Centre)) and the addition of temporary seating to halls and exhibition spaces, this plan accommodates almost every discipline on the Olympic programme. It does, however, necessitate the construction of three major sports venues: a new velodrome (the capacity at Hisense Arena is insufficient for an Olympics), an additional aquatic centre (the capacity at MSAC is insufficient for an Olympics) and a rowing and canoeing centre.
  3. Excellent result Now that that's done... Go Paris 2024!!
  4. Already had one disappointing election result today, another would make for a rather bad day. I had a nice dinner at least
  5. I have been travelling all year so I haven't paid as much attention to this race as I usually do. Nevertheless, my recent week in Istanbul means I have now visited each of the candidate cities. So from a personal perspective, I certainly hope Tokyo hosts in 2020. I have been somewhat confused by replies on this thread saying Istanbul is not competing against a "London, Paris or Beijing". No, its competing against another of the world's greatest cities. I wouldn't begrudge an Istanbul Olympics, because it is a great city. It would, however, leave a bad taste for me because of the economic disparity between Istanbul and the Kurdish dominated South-East of Turkey. I really hope that Madrid is not awarded the games because it is among my least favourite cities I have ever visited.
  6. Ahhh that makes more sense. if a sport is voted off, I would doubt they'd subsequently by the selected 28th sport; I would imagine the IOC would favour something shiny and new. I hope that won't be the system indefinitely because it seems like it could evolve into removing sports for no justifiable reason other than to add something new.
  7. Have I got this right? Is the IOC selecting 25 core sports for the 2020 Olympics, and then I assume the 3 excluded plus new sports will compete for the final 3 places??? In which case, ignoring personal preference, what sports will most likely be outside the core list?
  8. + could add London too, I don't think they had previously bidded post the 1948 Games?
  9. No that massively over simplifies the issue and some of your suggestions are totally impractical. The MCC's position is virtually irrelevant because although they are responsible for the management of the venue, the MCG is actually owned by the Victorian Government. The key stakeholders in this hypothetical situation are the State Government and the AFL, the major tenants. The Vic Government cannot simply say to the AFL that "the MCG will be unavailable in 2024 and that's all there is to it" because the AFL has as much clout in this city as the Catholic Church did in Rome during the Middle Ages. Without the AFL's blessing, an Olympic bid coming to fruition (let alone being successful) would never eventuate. Its a fallacy to suggest that Victoria have plenty of stadiums (for AFL). We don't. The state is home to 10 of the 18 AFL clubs and yet only 3 grounds exist now which are suitable for AFL; which is because of the AFL's ground rationalization policy of the 1980s/90s (which i support). Remove the MCG and we have just 2 venues, 1 of which most clubs would refuse to play home home games at as its located in Geelong. Even with moving matches interstate, it would still effectively work out to 7 clubs sharing the one venue. Whitten Oval and Coburg City Oval, along with any other suburban venue you may tout, are simply not AFL venues and would never be accepted by the AFL as alternate venues. Redevelopment/restoration is certainly not a simple matter for these venues as it would be in the order of hundreds of millions of dollars to bring them up to sufficient standards for the competition. The only possible alternative would be Princes Park, but with a current capacity of just over 20,000, it too would require a huge redevelopment (i.e to double current capacity). And then there is the issue of lost capacity. The MCG's capacity is 100,000 and in 2011 featured 16 matches of over 70,000 in attendance. The city's second stadium can accommodate only 55,000, too small for the blockbuster matches and impractical for a Grand Final. in the 1990s Waverley Park still existed and had a capacity for 77,000, so losing the MCG for an extended period would have been far better facilitated than what it is now. I would like to know how long a stadium would need to be vacated before an Olympic Games to install an athletics track and prepare the venue??????? I would guestimate maybe 3 months (?). So perhaps with an Olympics in mid September, the AFL could bring the season forward 3-4 weeks to begin the start of March AND experiment with an 18 round competition (which is regularly suggested in the media as the desirable length of the season for fairness). This would see the Grand Final played around the first weekend of August. So perhaps the MCG could be available for the first 12 rounds, enough opportunity to host all the blockbuster matches. The last 6 rounds would see more Geelong home games and interstate home games for Vic clubs, while Docklands would be Melbourne's solitary venue. Docklands would have to be Melbourne's finals venue (the only serious problem with this plan) while the MCC could release the AFL from its contract in order for the Grand Final to be played in Sydney at ANZ Stadium. Plus the AFL would be sufficiently compensated and problem solved. IF the venue would need to be vacated much earlier (say 6 months) then that is far more hazardous.
  10. Because the AFL did not rely on the MCG to the extent that it does now. Its thrown all the eggs into 1 basket in a way.
  11. Obviously won't win and a bid won't materialize either, but its interesting to consider the issue of an Olympic Stadium. The MCG is of course the iconic heart of Melbourne and would popularly be preferred by the public to be the Olympic Stadium. But the Olympics would have to be held in September in Melbourne, which is the traditional timeslot of the AFL finals. The solution for the 2000 Olympics was to simply bring the season forward so the finals were done by September and the MCG was thus vacant for the soccer tournament. But if the MCG was to be the Olympic Stadium, the venue would need to be vacant for months in advance of the Games to prepare an athletics track. The MCG would therefore have to be unavailable for a large portion or perhaps an entire season of the AFL, which is an extremely problematic situation because of the AFL's massive reliance on that venue. Its completely impractical actually, unless the Government were to build an entirely new stadium. I anyway would be very interested to see how they'd address this.
  12. I'm tipping Brazil will shake up the status quo for the world's top 10 sporting powers (US, GB, France, Germany, Italy, Russia, China, Korea, Japan, Australia) in the medium term future. I feel as though Brazilians have had a larger presence at the Games in finals than I've previously noticed, perhaps that's just been a fluke. even if they're not converting to more medals yet, I think Brazil has the right formula to become a sporting power over the next couple decades.
  13. Why not? If the USA hosts any of 2020/2024/2028/2032, then the Americas will have a strong chance again by the 2040's. And i don't think Toronto is assured against B.A or Mexico in 3 decades.
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