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LuigiVercotti

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  1. Have to say that the final of the rugby 7's was very enjoyable and without a doubt of a standard that brings credit to the sporting profile of the CGs.
  2. Saw the Kiwi Sky News earlier today and they were reporting on the flood of silvers being won by NZ at the games...any good/bad vibes to be cited from our Aotearoan members? Are New Zealanders happy with the results or not that concerned?
  3. Whilst it's not attracted any votes so far what about the merits of switching the games to a non-Olympic year? If there was an agreement for the games slated for 2022 forward 1 year using a host with signficant pre-existing infrastructure that could give the games some clear air. 2019 would be too soon after Gold Coast/Hambantota plus would run into conflict with the RWC and the IAAF World Championships. 2021 would follow neatly after the 2020 SOGs giving some major Commonwealth athletes the chance for one last hurrah before retirement plus giving a usually fallow year some decent sporting activity.
  4. Well if you believe the Indian media Hooper made a motza out of the Delhi 2010 OC. By the way we can probably strike the reference to a youth angle to the CGs...imagine my embarrassed surprise when I saw on the CGF web site that next year sees the IV Commonwealth Youth Games on the Isle Of Man. Putting aside the absolute mega-event that this will be (and can anyone shed light on how successful the 2008 Pune CYG were) can the CGF sue Jacques for ripping off their idea. Might be a way to wring a few dollars out of a way more successful IOC
  5. Well considering (unlike in the Olympics) that the amount of medals on offer in swimming is inflated by the addition of 50 metre events for the non-freestyle strokes (thus nominally giving Canadian swimmers as well as Australian and the various British competitors an advantage over Indian competitors when it comes to accruing gold silver or bronze) the supposed bias in favour of the Indians in shooting is at least balanced by swimming's available medals. Plus, having looked at the CG records going back to 1994 and Victoria where Canadian shooters won 8 gold medals in shooting at those games (out of 32 on offer) it's a bit rich to start talking about the Indians have included sports that don't favour Canadians. It's blatantly obvious that Canadian shooting has not been good enough in recent games. Ultimately both Canada and to a lesser extent New Zealand have lost ground against the likes of Australia, England and India whilst South Africa and even Malaysia have also begun to make inroads into these two countries' medal hauls at the CGs. This obviously reflects the importance placed on the CGs in Canada and NZ (perhaps justifiably) when it comes to funding and sports. In fact if it was a choice between winning 80 gold at the CGs or say 10 at the OWGs I know where my priorities would be. One has to ask where is the same drive for success that was extremely evident back in 1978 and Edmonton contrasted with today?
  6. Actually one way in which India has in the past has been able to maximize their medal standing which wasn't available these games was the awarding of separate medals for the snatch, clean and jerk and then overall total in weightlifting (this potentially making a weightlifter a 3 time gold medallist with 6 lifts in total). This is of course not how they practice at the Olympics and surprisingly Delhi 2010 has come back to the single overall weight being the sole determinant of the medals. As for shooting the success of the Indians has certainly been the result of their efforts in the sport, not purely because there is a huge number of medals on offer. In the past the Brits and Aussies were dominant in the sport at the CGs but now the baton has passed to the Indians. No if you want to argue that there are too many medals awarded in toto across a multitude of sports perhaps that's a fair point. However the shooting program has been in its current format since at least Melbourne so you can't throw that against the Indians as a bias for their athletes. Wrestling and archery also have a tradition of being in the CGs so it's not as if Canadians have not had the opportunity to experience or build up for their participation in the Delhi Games. The hard cold reality of these games is that Canada has slipped in its ability to match up with the major competing nations in summer sports at the CGs.
  7. I wouldn't apologise for posting that as a negative story Rob...it seems just yet another example of the sheer ineptitude that has made these games absolutely ridiculous as a representation of a once grand sports festival as well as India's so called emergence from Third World standards. And just to continue...
  8. Question is though, has the CGF got the political and financial power to actually pull the games off a future host city without damaging the actual CGs themselves. Let's face it; if Delhi and their organisers had been held accountable as they should have been these games would not have gone ahead. Then the question would have been which city would have been willing at short notice to accept the political and financial burden of a CGs say with a year to do so? Melbourne couldn't have (particularly in light of the replay of the AFL grand final which no one would have expected) and Glasgow couldn't. Hamilton undoubtedly would have said (quite rightly) to the CGF that they made their bed so go lie in it. Which leaves no one really up as a candidate replacement. Therefore to say in the future that if a host city reneges on the basic principles of hosting a games the CGF then there is a system of enforceable deadlines which could lead to taking the games away at the last minute is almost utter anathema to the ability of the CGs to continue. Perhaps instead what needs to be done is set up say 5 hub host cities through which the CGs cycle (for example, Melbourne, Edinburgh, Toronto, Auckland, Cape Town) and thus never have to worry about host cities stuffing things up the week before the games.
  9. Any thoughts as to how the Commonwealth Games and its associated federation can climb out of the Delhi farce and rebuild from 2014 onwards? Please select three options (including your own suggestion).
  10. Yes, without the best of the English, Scottish and Welsh cyclists Australia has had it very much our own way. Having said that some of the cyclists who have won golds for Aus are still relatively young and can only get better for London...and as our team found out in the transition from 2004 in Athens to 2008 in Beijing four years is a long time in track cycling. Question for our UK contributors; has the CGs been less successful than expected for the varying British contingents? The combo of high profile drop outs and illness seems to have dented the build up for London via Delhi (assuming these CGs were meant to be a major stepping stone towards the next SOGs).
  11. NZ certainly seem to have a lock on being the silver medal champions at these games. One nice and big win for the Aussies was Geoff Huegill. Having lost over 45 kilos after coming out of retirement to win a gold medal in the Delhi pool and do it in a CG record time is not a bad effort.
  12. Wanna know where the tickets are going... There you go...tickets as scrap paper. Says it all about the whole Delhi 2010 experience. One positive though from the urine-weak turn out of spectators at these games...the sound from all those fecking Vuvuzelas that were supposedly being sold for and allowed into the venues seems to have been about as loud as a Kalmadi apology.
  13. Nice point. Let's not forget that LA was really the Wily Old Falangist's cherry popper when it came to Summer Olympics (he may have been president before the games started but it was Killanin who opened the Moscow Olympics) and as Samaranch must have been feeling very queasy about the boycotts leading into LA84 knowing that the world's most populous country was sending a team must have given him a tingle down in the toreador pants . On the other hand India has generated about as much excitement as month old naan bread for the IOC and perhaps our friends in the Lausanne bunker have put the subcontinent in the 'too hard/why bother' basket for now. However by 2068 I'd say someone at the IOC might start asking if the Indians might be interested in hosting an IOC session.
  14. Actually can scrub the 2019 and most likely 2023 Asiads as having researched a little more it would seem that the Indian Olympic Association screwed the pooch back in August in withdrawing a Delhi bid before the deadline. Throw in the circumstances of that cancelled bid (furore and scandal over the 2010 CGs and the related delays and corruption) and the 2023 games will be selected with 2019 tied in then we will be talking about 2027 Asiads at the earliest. An Indian SOGs before the 2050s? No way...
  15. That's a 64 billion Crore question; before heading into an Olympic bid can India and its relevant NOC, governmnet etc dispel Delhi's farcical reputation and if so would another major sporting event run the potential of repeated the same mistakes and stuff ups. On the immediate horizon is of course the ICC One Day World Cup and I'd be hard put to believe that even a smoothly run tournament will help an Indian bid for 2020 on two grounds. First we are talking about cricket which has about as much relevance to the current IOC membership as does the last Olympic champion team in the sport. Secondly a cricket tournament held across 3 nations in a madly passionate cricket loving part of the world, where the game has a complex (and arguably deleterious) relationship with Indians and the local BCCI means that the IOC could not draw valid lessons from it to ensure the smooth running fo a future SOGs. As for the next best opportunity perhaps an Asiad games (2019 or 2023) would be appropriate but then you start pushing out a bid drawing on the success of such an event to 2021 or 2025 (for the 2028 or 2032 SOGs). So we are talking at least 11 years for Delhi's schemozzle to be forgotten...that's a very vague hope considering that to be even in the ball park an Indian bid for say 2019 must first beat off rival bids from (hypothetically) Jakarta, Singapore, Kuala Lumpar, Hanoi, Manama, Kuwait City etc etc. The CGs will arguably never come back to India and FIFA will also steer well clear of the subcontinent for a WC. World championships like those for the IAAF, FINA, FIBA, FIG, ICU etc etc won't be looking to ship their sports over to Madras, Kolkata, Pune, Mumbai etc etc so bang goes the chance for say a World Track Cycling Championship to help a potential 2020 or beyond bid. So to put it none too delicately, any future Indian SOG bid is up the river Ganges in a barbed wire canoe with no paddles.
  16. Very true...which then makes you wonder why the Delhi OC (a.k.a. Kalmadi's Klowns) didn't work out the logistics of the track protection better or for that matter reconsider the scale of the Opening Ceremony and potential for damage in light of their schedule for track and field starting so soon afterwards. However we can all guess the answer...throw thousands of unskilled underpaid workers at the job at the very last minute and just hope like hell that things are alright (and if not blame the western media, the gods or the monsoon).
  17. Which sport do you think that drastically favours Australia at these CGs? Potential candidates such as Hockey, Rugby and Netball are team sports with only 1 gold medal at the games. Gymnastics was a sport at the CGs which favoured Canada and England for some time at least in men's whilst swimming was for donkey's years a battle between Australia, Canada and England. Lawn Bowls may be the best candidate for your proposition but considering England, NZ, Malaysia and Scotland are all substantive powers in the sport as well then Australia has no singular bias in their favour. Perhaps my memory of Edmonton 1978 colours my interpretation of Canada's CG success however it seems that somewhere along the way Canada's sporting bodies have put the CGs and many summer sports into the uninterested or too hard basket. Instead of waiting for a more favourable disposition of sports as you suggest increased interest in the current games may propel better programs for 2014/2016.
  18. Shock! Horror! Amazement! Someone contact the Delhi 2010 security coordination team and ask them how a crowd of spectators slipped into a venue and actually came to see a sporting contest...
  19. Switching the emphasis from farcical organisational issues, who has done well out of these CGs in the actual sports and who has dudded us? Aside from the monolithic success of the Australian team as a whole I'm intrigued by the strong showing of South Africa (portents for an even better showing 4 years from now maybe, perhaps with a future CGs in the pipeline?) whereas NZ seems to have fallen behind. Canada's CG glory days are also looking a little like a dim memory...are Canucks disengaging from the games in favour of winter sports and their recent success at Vancouver?
  20. Whilst I wont make any observations on that TMFI moment it has to be asked how come the Commonwealth's athletes and the Delhi's drainage system can't manage what the Olympic athletes and Sydney's drains were able to do back in 2000, plus with all this rampant condom use are athletic standards failing due to shagger's back and other horizontal folk dancing ailments
  21. Thing is the IOC has no membership that is willing or interested in securing a games for India now nor will they have for quite some time, as indicative by the absolute nadir that the Indian NOC and its patrons have brought the current CGs to. There is no one...no one in the upper levels of the IOC who have put themselves forward as patrons of India's Olympic aspirations aside from your general motherhood statements from JR himself (the same man who has been talking up for example a Chilean or Argentine bid for the OWGs), whilst almost all the boosting of an Indian bid has come from the same buffoons who can't even keep monkeys and dogs out of athlete villages. As for sponsors the CGs have seen less than 30% of the targeted revenue streams come from sponsors (see here for reference) and considering that the majority of sponsors would have been domestic Indian companies able to promote their involvement with actual signage at the CGs (unlike the Olympics where sponsorship is generally more subtle or at least off venue) it would be highly unlikely that the likes of P&G, McDonalds etc would be willing to expose their brands to a potential games with potential shambolic organisational issues that would in turn reflect badly on their branding. India has no hope of hosting a games until they meet at least these 6 criteria: 1. Reform their bureaucracies and political corruption so that the miasma of organising high profile public events on the scale of an Olympics doesn't get bogged down in bribes, red tape and nepotism 2. Cultivate an Olympic sports heritage and improve performance across a broader range of sports beyond it's very poor standards of the last 114 years 3. Provide a safe and secure games environment without either crippling financial pressures (as experienced in Athens) and/or curtailing the actual participation in the games for athletes and both domestic and international tourists (how can the IOC or the sponsors want to support an Indian bid when Delhi belly and travel advisory concerns are issued in day to day activities on the subcontinent let alone for an SOGs). 4. Convince domestic and international sponsors that their brands won't be tainted by associated legal or organisational problems as prevalent as experienced in the lead into and running of these CGs 5. Provide a sports going public that is willing and able to expand their interests from non-Olympic sports (such as cricket) and that can afford and will therefore attend games events 6. Most importantly establish a cadre of professional, independent and ambitious sports administrators including at least one IOC member who is potentially part of the IOC executive committee whilst cultivating the support of more than just their own internal cronies. Brazil and Rio have ticked off these criteria, as has China and Beijing. Considering the farce that has been Delhi 2010 India has no capability to achieve more than 1 or 2 of these standards and so far has demonstrated no ability or desire to move forward to secure these standards.
  22. Arbib is a right wing party hack with no credentials whatsoever when it comes to sport and the Olympic movement. His task at these games was no doubt to flatter the Indians and ensure that no matter what was appropriate in terms of criticism (helpful or protecting Australian athlete's interests) was going to be sidelined for the greater good of keeping the Indian government happy. It may be diplomatic and it does reflect where Australia's real interest in India is (i.e. tapping the growing wealth of the Indian economy) but it's uninformed and it's reinforcing the hyperbolic claims of Kalmadi and his corrupt gang of buffoons.
  23. As well as fairies at the bottom of our gardens...trucked in from Indian schools no doubt
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