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  1. Hey SR...not sure what gives the more indigestion...the clip from Xanadu or the Emu Bitter Now if we want to see the slopes littered with johnny foreigner lying in proud Aussie Olympian's wakes may I suggest the following: BTW Faster...any chance Canada will finally win a gold medal at their third home soil Olympics No pressure....
  2. Aussie Dale is certainly an enigmatic fella...and the weird thing is with his domination of the sport in recent years, potential to be a double gold medallist and engagement in a younger X-Games friendly sport you'd think the local Aussie media would be trying to get as much mileage out of him as possible (as well as the AOC). Instead he keeps very quiet, has dollars flowing in from non-sporting sources and rarely raises a flicker of interest with Joe Public. I just wonder if aside from the rather sketchy aspects of his business interests Australians feel a little too unsure about claiming him as an Aussie Olympic champion. He's almost the complete antithesis of (say) Steve Bradbury...
  3. Thanks Roltel...last few years have been pretty tumultuous and am only now getting back on track with my old forums etc. I should peruse the posts for that greatest poll and see what we can re-visit/continue.
  4. Hi guys Just a note about the Albertville and Lillehammer footage which I added to YouTube (and hope that the forces of the wily old falangist Samaranch don't influence the Belgian rugger bugger to try and take the vids down). The Albertville footage was form a delayed telecast of the games originally seen in Australia on the Nine network. However where I was living at the time was serviced by NBN (a regional TV station based in Newcastle) had the broadcast networked through them. And yes, it was Kenny Sutcliffe and Phil Liggett on commentating duty. In those days Liggett was probably the only semi-local TV identity who could give some insight and cred on general winter Olympic sport. Thanks to the time constraints, delayed telecasting and general disinterest in winter sports at this time in Australia the footage was severely truncated. Hence the non-appearance of many teams in the athletes parade. As for Lillehammer, things had improved slightly in the 2 years (including better original video stock). The same broadcast deal was on, however to make thjings worse for Australians Liz hayes was brought in on commentating duty for 'fluff' pieces (e.g. ceremonies). There was a bit more interest thanks to the likes of Kirstie Marshall and the Aussie short track speed skaters (including a certain Steve Bradbury), so the coverage was a little better on the Nine network. Also IMHO the actual theatre of the ceremonies at Lillehammer made the French look like pretentious cheese eating surrender monkeys :P Just to let you folks know I am uploading more footage from the ceremonies, all sourced from Australian broadcasters since 1992), plus have some other Olympic related videos (including Greenspan's offical Sydney 2000 film)
  5. I was more enamoured with the games footage JD...when I wacthed the special features on the DVD it had a lot of stuff on how they tried to replicate the footage from the *0s WOG. Funnily enough 'Miracle' didn't get a cinema release in Australia...straight to DVD. Of course WOGs aren't as big down under as they are in the Northern Hemisphere, but I remember quite clearly that Lake Placid 1980 were the first winter Olympics to get decent media and TV coverage in Aussie. And of course the 'miracle on ice' story got a good run here during the games plus for the 2002 Opening ceremony. I can still recall the almost hysterically funny hyperbole Big Jim McKay went overboard on with Randy Gardner & Tai Babylonia (sounds like a pair of porn stars :laughlong: )
  6. If it was in the glovebox of Pope Ratzinger's VW Passat, I'd guess $130,000.02. Sans the Passat, maybe 2c Phyllistein! Your children will beg for a copy come 2096. Sure Baron...but I've already left them by Sydney 2000 Olympic Club relay baton, my German NOK handbook for the Sydney games, my Munich 72 wall pennant and a sweaty vollie shirt from 96... Course having established this legacy now all I need are the kids :laughlong:
  7. If it was in the glovebox of Pope Ratzinger's VW Passat, I'd guess $130,000.02. Sans the Passat, maybe 2c
  8. (edited quote) For me, Steven Spielberg is so utterly wrong for any film treatment of the Munich massacre story, in that his films are above all commercial. Whilst he may have moments of creative insight (e.g. filiming 'Schindler's List' in black and white, the Omaha beach sequence in 'Saving Prrivate Ryan'), Spielberg plays for the heart strings and the wallet every time. There is a naivete and obviousness about his movies that always signals to the audience 'I know what you want'. Take in point his best film, 'Saving Private Ryan'. It wasn't enough for Spielberg to insinuate that Hanks' character was battle fatigued...you had to get close and loving shots of his shaking hand every second frame. And the imagery of the killed Hanks' with his hand still was straight out of Directing 101. There was no moral ambivalence, and there never really is in Spielberg films, and he can't restrain himself from flag-furling and sentimentality. What a horrific story like the Munich Massacre needs is someone like Martin Scorsese or (unfortunately now dead) Stanley Kubrick, who would impart a more ambiguous vision of the Munich massacre. The strongest points of the doco 'One Day in September' was that you got the feeling that the only people not implicated in the massacre were the israeli's themselves. You had the Black September operatives, you had the German authorities, you had the IOC, the media and even other Olympic athletes manipulating the crisis or ignoring it to their own ends. I think we'll find that the Spielberg film has already indicated where it's heading considering it's proposed title 'Vengeance', and I can see the final scene now... "A descendant of one of the dead Israeli athletes walks past 31 Harold Connolly Strasse to place some token of rememberance at the doorway to where his or her father/grandfather was killed/held captive, and as the camera follows the action Avery Brundages' "The Games must go on" speech will run over the soundtrack...then fade out".
  9. Babe? I don't remember the talking little piglet going to the Olympics. You must have it confused with some other Miss Piggy film. :wwww: Of course there was a TV movie about the murders in Munich with Franco Nero playing the terrorist leader, and filmed on the actual locations. Word has it that this same subject is Steven Spielberg's next project -- so one can only imagine how intense that treatment will be. Seb, documentaries shouldn't count on this thread. It's only "films" so that means 'protrayed' treatments. Who needs the real thing? They are just so tawdry. :wink: Of course, I am still waiting for "The Tonya Harding Story." I am hoping it will be a musical!! Yes...I remember that Franco Nero TV movie too. It was called '21 Hours in Munich' and it was a fairly bland retelling of the Munich massacre. It had William Holden in it and was rather colourless. And yes, docos shouldn't count. The reason why I included 'Olympia' and 'One Day in September' was they both had huge cinema releases as documentaries and can be procured in one format or another (perhaps more readily than I thought). But if it was simply fictional films then these wouldn't count.
  10. This list isn't exhaustive, and I haven't seen all of them, but here's a few Olympic-themed or related films that I'm aware of: 1. Cool Runnings (1988 Calgary)...probably my all time fave Olympic film and of course Disney plays with the truth. 2. Miracle (1980 Lake Placid)...Disney goes serious with the Miracle on Ice. The game sequences are fantastic, recreating history brilliantly 3. Chariots of Fire (Paris 1924)...David Putnam's brilliant film has only some resemblance to history, but it's not purely a film about sport or the games. It's essentially a character study of Liddell, Abrahams and British class structures. 4. Geordie (Melbourne 1956)...one of the warm, understated and really well done British films from the 1950s. It's all very fictional but the story of 'wee Geordie', the Scots hammer thrower who wins gold in his kilt at Melbourne is pure gold. 5. Wunschkonzert (Berlin 1936)...I've never seen this Nazi propoganda film, but the love story that forms the basis of the movie starts at the Berlin games where two German athletes meet, fall in love, then are separated. 6. The 500 Pound Jerk (Munich 1972)...a made for TV movie with a backward US superheavyweight lifter being manipulated by a city-smart manager, who in turn loses his cynicism. The film culminates with a chase scene when the hero falls in love with a defecting Soviet gymnast 7. Dawn (Melbourne 1956/Rome 1960/Tokyo 1964)...the Aussie biopic of Olympic great Dawn Fraser. 8. Charlie Chan at the Olympics (Berlin 1936)...I've never seen this but here's the imdb link here 9. One Day In September (1972 Munich)...arguably the greatest Olympic doco made since 'Olympia' by Leni Riefenstahl. More thoughts on this to follow. 10. Running Brave (Tokyo 1964)...the story of Indian Billy Mills (played by Robby Benson), the climax of the movie is the 10,000 metres final when Mills surprised all and beat favourite Ron Clarke to win gold. 11. Gentleman Prefer Blondes (Helsinki 1952?)...great Marilyn Monroe and Jane Russell flick. Very tasty looking! 12. Alex (Rome 1960)...Never seen this Kiwi film (see this link) 13. Babe (1932 LA)...the TV biopic of Mildred 'Babe' Didrickson, multi-talented sports woman and gold medallist at the 32 games 14. Bob Matthias Story (1948/1952)...Bob Matthias actually starred as himself in his own biopic 15. The Cutting Edge (Calgary 1988)...see below 16. The First Olympics (1896)...see Baron's comments and here 17. The Games (Rome 1960)...see CAF's post re the plot details 18. Getting There (Salt Lake 2002)..why anyone would want to see a TV movie about the Olsen twins going to SLC defies my imagination!!! 19. Downhill Racer (?)...not sure which Olympics this Robert Redford/Gene Hackmann alpine skiing film is set in, but I know Redford's character wins gold 20. El Grito (Mexico City 1968)...a Mexican doco about the demonstratins before the 68 games 21. It Happened in Athens (Athens 1896)...a Jayne Mansfield at the first modern games flick...wow!! Bob Matthias made an appearance too 22. Olympia Teil I & Teil II (Berlin 1936)...arguably the greatest Olympic film ever...I've seen and got edited works but the actual film in two parts goes on forever and hasn't been released for years. Have a look at 'Macht Der Bilder Leni Riefenstahl' for more info on this film 23. The Jesse Owens Story (Berlin 1936)..another made for TV biopic...also features much of Jesse's problems with the race issues at the 68 games. 24. Jim Thorpe All American (1912 Stockholm)..yet another biopic, with Burt Lancaster as the dual gold medallist 25. Million Dollar Legs (1932)...I haven't seen this, but it's a WC Fields film where a fictional country decides to enter the Olympics. It looks like it would be hilarious (see the imdb link here). What can one say about a film with the country of Klokstopia as the setting?! No doubt there's heaps more, but as far as I know from my own viewing and from what IMDB lists, these would be the movies that have really focused on an Olympics. If I was to give any indication of my favourites they would be: 1. Cool Runnings 2. Geordie 3. Chariots of Fire 4. One Day in september 5. Miracle
  11. Let's inject a dose of reality into this discussion of an African Summer Olympic Games...is there really a single African city that can provide the economic support and political management necessary for a successful Olympic Games? Maybe in 40-50 years...but before then, the answer must be no. Look at Cape Town's 2004 bid. Cape Town (alongside other potential South African cities) was and would be the best chance of a successful Olympic bid because of the relative economic strength of South Africa, as well as its status as a leading city within a nominally stable political system. But even as arguably the leading African candidate city, it failed to rally enough support to win the 2004 games, and even the IOC under its parochial election process would have recognized that the CT bid was technically capable enough to mount a successful games. Don't be under any illusions...the only reason why CT got to the final three in 2004 was more because of ANOCA solidarity in the IOC membership than real ability. Look at the facts; can an African Olympic Games expect to be able to draw on a financially secure sector willing to provide billions in budgetary demands? In 1998 African GDP measured $1,039,408 million, (contrasted with Latin American GDP at the same time of $2,941,600 million) as per the OECD's own figures ( source). Now I admit these figures are old, but can anyone confirm or predict that African economic capability has substantially grown or will even surpass Latin America's? The whole of African economic capability was only 60% of India's 1998 GDP. So...where would an African Olympics get the money from? If the richest country in Africa (i.e. South Africa) can't guarantee even the basics like people financially able to buy tickets (as cited in 'the Games Cities Play' by Pieter de Lange, Sigma Press, Pretoria, 1998), then how could the IOC in good conscience give an Olympics to an african country. Then there are the social concerns any Olympic bid from Africa must address. Issues such as civil war, drought, famine, AIDS epidemics, corruption and crime are all bedevilling the countries of Africa. Again taking South Africa as the example (and I'm not trying to engage in a SA bashing exercise), the current ANC government can't even get straight their response to the AIDs epidemic sweeping the country. SA has approximately 600 AIDs related deaths each day (source) and the Mbeki government hasn't been able to answer its most strident critics on how it can successfully fight this problem. Therefore, how can an Olympic games be presented in the context of a country, or a whole continent, where there are more complex and more immediate concerns. I would never doubt the desire or passion for sport in Africa, or denigrate the Olympic achievements of countries such as Ethiopia, Kenya, Morocco, South Africa, Algeria or Egypt. And I acknowldge that FIFA has given SA the 2010 world cup rights in recognition of the continent's sucess in football (and desire to expand such success). But an African Olympics are realistically only a dream that the IOC and pundits like us can entertain without actually making any decision to award. If a middle sized European city like Leipzig can't even get through the technical evaluation process, how could a larger African city like Cairo, Cape Town, Lagos or Nairobi?
  12. Okay...time to dabble in some fantasy... 1996: Athens is awarded the games after Atlanta comes a bad third behind Melbourne. Samaranch sees this a rebuff to his desires to make the Olympics a more commercial event and announces that he will retire immediately. Billy Payne announces that he will run another bid for Atlanta 2000, whilst Melbourne's bid leaders convince the AOC that they should have another chance at securing the games. 1998: Nagano wins the rights to the winter Olympics, narrowly beating Salt Lake. The lack of financial inducements from the SLC team means that they run behind the pack, even though IOC president heir-apparent Mickey Kim of Korea lobbies against Nagano as part of his power struggles with Dick Pound, Kevan Gosper and Jacques Rogge. The other conflicting issue is whether Atlanta or another USOC bidding city should host 2000, hence distracting from SLC's chances for 1998. 2000: Beijing enters the race after Istanbul, Brasilia and Milan pull out, spooked by the bids of Melbourne and New York. Manchester throws all its votes towards Melbourne but in a close race Beijing wins when an embittered Dick Pound, new president of the IOC discovers that the USOC has been protecting numerous drug cheats, and uses his casting vote to defeat NYC. Melbourne again comes third and Australia decides not to bid again for the near future. 2002: Salt Lake City wins the bid after the USOC promises Dick Pound that they have declared all drug cheats to WADA. However, on September 11 2001 a passenger plane crashes into the White House, killing George W Bush, and the ensuing war launched by VP Dick Cheney against Iraq means that almost all countries are unwilling to go to SLC. As a late compromise the 2002 games are relocated to Sion. 2004: The bidding in 1997 saw Rome as the leading contender, with enducements such as private shopping holidays for IOC members at the fashion houses of Milan, the Fiat factory at Turin etc being slyly done under the table. However Andrew Jenning's writes a book blowing the corrupt practices of the IOC out of the water. Pound, Kim, Rana, Havelange and numerous IOC delegates retire in disgrace whilst the leadership goes to Swiss member Marc Hodler. Holder disqualifies the 2004 bid from Rome and accepts the so-called clean bid of Stockholm instead. The decision is now made by a quadvirate of IOC leaders, Hodler, Mbaye, Gosper and the once-retired president Samaranch (now an advisor to the IOC). 2006: Sion is originally awarded the games in 1999 for 2006, but due to the change in scheduling in 2001-02 it brings forward construction and marketing to host the games four years early in 2002. Salt Lake is advised that they will have the right to host 2006 if the domestic and international security environment allows it. However Vancouver also submits a revised bid which attracts great attention, and there is much talk particularly from European IOC members that the US are too dangerous to host a games. As of 2004 the games are officially Salt Lake's but there is increasing doubt as to the ability of SLOOC to host a secure, non-boycotted games. Even gas masks are marketed by the games organisers. 2008: With the 2000 games in Beijing a success due to the almost paranoid political and economic dictatorship offered by the Chinese, and the 2004 games programmed for Stockholm, the IOC looks at three leading commonwealth country bids for the XXIXth Olympiad. Toronto, London and Sydney. Toronto's bid mires early in hesitation over the potential for a Vancouver 2006 bid, whilst London's rapidly falls away after the failure of such big projects as the Millenium Dome, the death of IOC royal member Princess Diana of Wales, and the failure of the British team to win more than 1 gold medal in Beijing (to Sir Matthew Redgrave). Sydney's bid is sponsored by IOC VP Kevan Gosper, and wins in a canter on the promise of 'The Athlete's Games'. 2010: Pyeong Chang wins the rights to host these winter oLympics after a very subtle campaign of public defamation against IOC president Marc Holder, as well as corruption claims against Gosper, Mbaye and Samaranch, inspired by the disinformation campaign of ex-IOC powerbroker Mickey Kim. In 2003 the war in Iraq is still going, as well as threats of terrorist violence, so SLC loses the rights to 2006, with Vancouver the new host. 2012: Cape Town enters the race for a summer Olympics against Paris, Madrid, Moscow, Berlin, Buenos Aires, Istanbul and Rio. Over the last 2 years of the bid process new IOC president Jacques Rogge proclaims his desire for the Olympics to go to new frontiers and become smaller. as part of the programme he cuts Modern Pentathlon, Baseball, softball, sailing, equestrian and wrestling from the 2012 programme, and rules against bids from Paris, Madrid and Berlin. Both BA and Rio are rejected by the IOC selection committee due to economic and political unrest, and Cape Town is selected as host city. Unfortunately the AIDS pandemic in South Africa reaches a crisis point in 2007, and the Mbeke ANC government officially withdraws from the hosting city contract for Cape Town 2012. Former bid consultants/presidents Billy Payne, Rod McGeoch and Gianna Angelopoulos-Daskalaki ask Gerhard Schroeder and Jacques Rogge if Berlin can assume the rights for the 2012 games, as it is the city most ready (plus Madrid is still wracked by terrorism fears due to their re-elected government's support of the Iraq War and Moscow is hit by a small nuclear attack carried out by Chechen terrorists in 2006). So as I see it through my warped crystal ball: 1996: Athens 1998: Nagano 2000: Beijing 2002: Salt Lake replaced by Sion 2004: Stockholm 2006: Salt Lake replaced by Vancouver 2008: Sydney 2010: Pyeong Chang 2012: Berlin
  13. I've been to several events at Homebush aka Sydney Olympic Stadium aka Stadium Australia aka Telstra Stadium, including rugby tests, athletic championships and the opening and closing ceremonies and it is a wonderful arena. I wasn't mad keen on the two wings which have now been removed...when I sat in the southern stand at the Paralympic opening ceremony it was cold, exposed to the rain and too far from the action. On the other hand my seats in the western stand for the opening and closing ceremonies for the Olympics were great, with execllent views. The facilities and ease of access to the stadium are top notch, and even two weeks ago when I went to the Scotland-Australia rugby test the ambience there was fantastic. As for other stadia, having only seen them second hand I'd have to list Montjuic, Munich and LA as my faves. I've been to the MCG but it was undergoing some significant restructuring. It really has a colosseum feel to it. I can't comment on Montreal now, but watching my video footage from the 76 games it looked rather austere/empty. Berlin Sportfeld and Olympische Stadion must have been spectacular in its Olympic configuration (my fiance brought back some pictures, video and books from there for me last year), whilst on TV the temporary ski jump stadium at Lillehammer looked great. Atlanta was average (I wont call it what Roy & HG said in 'The Dream'), Nagano and Albertville and Salt Lake were all temporarily nondescript, whilst the best things about Seoul and Moscow's Lenin stadium was the way the crowds were used to participate in the opening ceremonies. I am looking forward to the Panathenaen Stadium getting used again in only 42 days...I think that'll be a great moment in tying Athens 2004 games with the 1896 games. Andrew
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