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  1. One more reason why I'd prefer that the 2028 summer games have the most international theme of any Olympics in years. So if "Los Angeles" and "United States" are downplayed, the Hollywood/LA/CA/America nature of the 2028 games won't be as overt (and obnoxious) as "Beijing/China" was to 2008, "London/UK" was to 2012 or "Rio/Brazil" was to 2016. Therefore, SLC/USA 2030 and LA/USA 2028 won't seem too back-to-back.
  2. But the way that moment was presented, whether it was in memoriam to 1972 or WWII, etc, it was the format that the producer used that I went "WTF?!" about. Instead of the segment being moving or heartfelt, it struck me as odd or bizarre.
  3. What's trolling or ignorance is very much dependent on the lens a person uses to filter his or her opinion. Plus, a person's humor meter may or may not detect sarcasm.
  4. Coming from you? I don't know if I should be greatly honored or even more deeply insulted.
  5. I watched a segment of the 2020 (2021) opening ceremony, the part where they honored the victims of the 1972 Munich massacre. What could have been (or should have been) a touching, moving, honorable portion (and a tribute not permitted by the IOC during other past summer games) instead involved some guy dressed in what looked like a rag outfit writhing around on the ground. WTF? SMH. A variation of the same "we're hip and cool!" thing has been done at other Olympic ceremonies for years. For some reason, producers of openings and closings love to do "WTF?" moments. In turn, they go "that's crap!" to formats or traditions that were common over 30-40 years ago. Okay, I've mentioned concepts like this before: But honoring the victims of the 1972 games in Munich could have been done with a large choir and perhaps simple images projected onto large screens. Or something like that. But no, for the too-cool-for-the-room producers of today, that would have been too boring, too old-fashioned.
  6. The prestige and tradition of the Olympics and IOC were greatly helped by Beijing hosting both the summer and winter games. The IOC should award a future winter games to some wintry wonderland in Siberia and a future summer games to some scenic nirvana in Bangladesh or Kenya.
  7. IF SLC wants to host the 2030 winter games, give it to them. The IOC and 2028 OOC should worry about other things.
  8. Maybe why I'm interested in the increasingly goofy or hokey trappings of the Olympics as symbolized by their opening/closing ceremonies is because I believe that has subtly lowered the brand image of "Olympics." Yea, for most people - as compared with issues of budget, taxes, corruption - "ceremony" is way down the pecking order. But I still think the oddball openings/closings over the past decades are analogous to handing a person a birthday gift wrapped in toilet paper. Or wrapped in a wrinkled newspaper.
  9. I posted a reply to you yesterday but for some wonderful reason it was deleted. The world of social media is full of banning, doxxing and censorship. George Orwell's book 1984 wasn't necessarily fiction. BTW, that's 1984 the novel, not 1984, the last summer games in LA.
  10. As though most posts in general throughout gamesbid.com don't pretty much say the same thing over and over, and over, again. I don't deny I repeat my same talking points, but so do other people. The lesson of cases like an Amber Heard on trial or Will Smith/Jada at the Academy Awards (another type of ceremony that occurs in LA) is that a lot of the people around most everyone is mental, bi-polar, sociopathic That's the world the Olympic games are bravely marching into.
  11. The empty stadium killed the vibe and energy, but the basic elements of the ceremony seemed like, even with a full house, it still would have been business as usual. Or more like 2016 than 1964.
  12. Huh? In the first minutes of the opening of 2012, I actually thought the broadcast had switched over to a commercial for possibly British Airways or whatever. Then I later thought the opening had meandered over to Pinewood Studios and was showing (ie, guys in top hats, etc) the filming of some period piece. The rest of the opening came off to me like bad Hollywood or even bad Los Angeles. If the 2028 games put together the hokum and provincialism of 2012, I'll be embarrassed for both LA and the US.
  13. LOL. From the first day that a major decision of the 2012 OOC was presented right up until the closing ceremony, I fully realized that even a big-time, major-league place like the city of London can make a mess of things. Incidentally, the city of the 2012 summer games - from culture to finance, from beauty to brains - easily pulls rank on other cities, including that of LA. Which is why 2012 is an example that any Olympic games can be screwed up no matter where they're being held.
  14. I never said otherwise. Moreover, I point out specific aspects or details of what I think is good or not good about, in this case, Olympic ceremonies. I don't just say, i like it or hate it, and leave it at that. Sure, it's my opinion. I never claimed otherwise. I notice the online ceremonies for the 2012 games posted to the IOC's Youtube account have generated a huge number of views and replies. I recall when media and online reviews came out after that event's opening, they were mainly positive. Personally, I thought those ceremonies were lousy. But that's just me. Again, that's my opinion. In a way if that event had occurred in my own backyard, as where the 2028 games are going to be held, I'd have been even more pissed off or embarrassed. I'd have taken what I judged as lame or weak way more personally. However, for all those people who loved that ceremony, including at the IOC and the 2012 OOC, etc, more power to them.
  15. I was looking at a copier machine being serviced the other day and the guts of it were so complicated I couldn't make heads or tails of it. The service tech working on it told me that people who design or create such things are geniuses. When I see something that's handled very well, I always admire the skill, talent and sweat equity that goes into it. Then when I see things like, for example, the official logo created for the 2012 games, I go, "ya gotta be kidding me."
  16. An international theme of a ceremony doesn't mean the IOC has to keep the format of the constantly changing field of host cities, particularly for the more expensive summer games. I think major aspects of the 2012 games were poorly handled, but if London wants to host again, I'd say they're more capable than a place like Rio, Rome or Johannesburg, etc, is. Incidentally, the 2012 games' ceremonies were themed in such a way, they could have easily been a reflection of schlock Hollywood or hokey Los Angeles. Same thing applies to the mess of 1996. That was an event produced by a guy based in LA with long-time ties to the Hollywood industry. At least symbolically, LA has to take some blame for 1996. Finally, I bet SoFi Stadium is going to fall flat for an Olympics ceremony. That the head of the 2028 OOC doesn't sense that (and also believes the Olympics should become more political, not less) is why the next summer games in the US are more likely to come up short. So the 2028 OOC had better keep their budget under control and hope that today's pro-grievance culture and Tik-Tok social media don't affect ticket sales. Oh, not just that, but also that terrorists or an earthquake (or another pandemic, etc) don't screw up other things.
  17. Whoa. I also noticed some Westerners attending that event, in the land of the iron fist. That card display was robotically impressive and technically amazing. Such feats must be much easier to perform in a country like North Korea. I was watching the marching bands at the 1984 opening and wondering how the field organizer managed to get each and every person to know exactly where he or she had to be during Moment A or Moment B. Doing all that while playing an instrument and not screwing up both that and the footsteps they had to remember. Just the thought of how much work and skill goes into such efforts makes me want to take a nap. lol.
  18. There are armchair experts/quarterbacks involved in a wide variety of hobbies and interests. Think of all the people who are into some sport but would get killed if they became direct participants in a professional game of football or ice hockey. Or look at it this way: I read that Kobe Bryant, after retiring from the Lakers, said he stopped watching most NBA games. Olympic ceremonies to me have become unwatchable, certainly over the past few decades. Other people will feel just the opposite way. The Parade of the National Flags in 1984, which I first saw several months ago from a person who posted video from the BBC - which came with a commentator - first struck me as very dull. But I notice the same version of it, but from international feed, and therefore without a narrator, is somewhat easier to watch. I realize a lot of TV broadcasts become more of a pain to switch on because of the constant chatter of news/sports commentators. A lot of them feel they're being paid by the word, so they yak-yak more than necessary. As for watching athletes march into a stadium? It's not where they're from - whether the US or otherwise - that becomes similar to watching paint dry. It's looking at thousands of people in general walk down a stadium track that is a snooze. Maybe if the IOC has flag bearers and a select number of participants marching behind them, the presentation of all the countries won't seem as long and dull? In order to not piss off the other athletes, maybe they can be offered a special 5-course, 5-star dinner at the Olympic village? Or maybe they've given a free session with a local masseuse (wink, wink)? Even this bit in 1984 could have been helped sound-wise if the choir had performed some tunes as the flags were marched around the track.
  19. The international broadcast feed of the 1984 opening ceremonies posted several weeks ago to Youtube has made me look more closely at the opening of the last summer games in America. Yowsa. Save money: Don't cover the infield in plastic sheets or a huge tarp. That not only costs more money, but it's doesn't look environmentally friendly. It also gives a cheap, plastic-y look to the stadium field Also, please, no pick-up trucks. And can you downplay a local angle? Whether an Atlanta 1996, Beijing 2008, London 2012, etc, etc, etc, a little local-ism goes a long way. If the 2028 producer doesn't go the local-yokel angle, the next summer games in the US will be universal, very accommodating and friendly to all cities, all countries, all peoples. That will also better suit the "Diversity is Our Strength" crowd. Another summer Olympics opening ceremony, the one for the 2012 games, also made me realize that any host can be-clown itself and come off as hokey, dippy, goofy and funky. So much so, I almost forgot that London is easily one of the greatest cities in the world. In general, the brand of the "Olympics" is only as good as the organizing committee and the various people who work for it, advise it, influence it. Where that committee is based - city, country - takes a back seat to other things. .
  20. I admit I fast forward through all Olympic ceremonies, the games in 1984 included. But that doesn't mean I'm less interested in how the basic format is followed or the way the details are handled. I don't know how the march of athletes into a stadium (or floating on barges in 2024?) can be made shorter and less similar to watching paint dry or grass grow. The Olympics, after all, are about the athletes and should fully honor and highlight them. But unlike decades ago, the number of participants and host countries have grown so huge, that the routine of watching people march into a stadium needs work or re-thinking. But how can that be done? The pigeon-roasting incident happened in Seoul in 1988 and live pigeons again were used during the following summer games in Barcelona. I didn't realize that until recently. So it's not like 1988 was a full-on stop of using live birds. Besides, activists will always complain about something. If the IOC and operating committees are going to be at their beck and call, they should just give up holding the Olympics. After all, summer and winter games require a large carbon footprint, and that's a no-no too. I may be incorrect, but I'm under the impression that Coubertin's image and words aren't displayed as much or at all during opening and closing ceremonies. Regardless, that resident of Paris had better receive full respect, honor and recognition at the 2024 games.
  21. The last summer games opening ceremony held in America? I liked how 1996 followed the tradition of giving stadium announcements in both English and French, the two official formal languages of the Olympic games. But why did the announcers, after saying the 1996 OOC's CEO formal name, have to add the suffix "Billy Payne?" They could have made it even more home spun by saying "Billy Bob Boy." The jet planes were more big time than in 1984. But the three main officials walking out into the field instead of being shown standing by their seats was unnecessary. Particularly since two of them would later come out again onto the field and give speeches. The raising of the host's national flag in 1996 and other bits surrounding the "USA" segment were somehow more provincial. The "welcome wave?" Really? And then shortly mentioning the location of the traveling of the flame? Something about the announcer in general at America's last summer Olympics came off as way too informal. Or he came off as guilty of shaky ceremonial etiquette. The 1996 choir also was dressed too much like a church group and during the ceremony floated in and out of the stadium, as though they were of secondary importance. The choral version of the US anthem in 1984 was more rousing or heroic. The segment honoring the host country and top government official in 1984 was also briefer, simpler and less goofy: When announcing or honoring the host country, I don't know exactly what Olympic opening ceremony tradition has been. But I don't believe in earlier decades the flag of the host country was ever raised during the opening. But I'm not sure. It certainly wasn't flown right next to the flag of the Olympics itself (which at least wasn't done in 1996), which more recently has become the routine. I prefer the custom still observed in 1984---although the flags in a sleeve format on poles at the rim of the stadium were sort of cheap. The country where a games is being held is playing host to the entire world. So it should take a back seat to the symbol of the Olympics itself.
  22. I don't know how the ceremony of the Olympic oaths and the "parade of the national flags" has been handled more recently, if at all. I know the oaths of the athlete and judge still do occur, but more in a "this is boring, let's get this s*** out of the way" manner. In 1984, the flags segment was certainly a snooze to most people and videos of the TV broadcast back then (at least in the US0 show it was replaced by talking heads. But I still like the music (kind of like the score of a super-hero or Superman movie) and sense of tradition followed over 30 years ago. I won't deny this will cause viewers to change their tuner or turn off their monitor. But I personally find it no duller than another talking-head interview. If this had been followed in the exact same way since 1984, I'd say it was time for a change. But this and things like the release of pigeons (real ones, not stuffed animals) should be re-introduced in 2028. The legacy of Pierre de Coubertin should also be honored with a bit more emphasis and attention to detail. I don't think such segments are any worse than a salute to a city's fashion industry or featured acts performed by pop singers.
  23. The IOC, USOC and 2028 OOC should worry about other things. If two Olympics are held back-to-back in the US, that won't be any worse than other aspects of the Olympics going back decades. The entire Olympic community should be way more concerned about busted budgets, corruption in things like doping, committees doing goofy, flaky things, and creating too large of a carbon footprint. Making cities build new facilities for a summer and winter games generates C02, doesn't it?
  24. Someone posted in the "2036 Olympics: Crowded Field" thread a map of Antarctica, which very well could be an ideal location for probably a winter games, not so much for a summer one. As for my, I generally don't post maps or images of past replies or other posts. That requires too much work. My OCD is also limited to mainly ceremonies and their need for choirs and properly placed flagpoles. So sue me.
  25. Getting rid of the worn-out, broken-down, rundown National Stadium from the 1964 games showed how the 2020 OOC was really on the ball. The cauldron for the 2020 games was also way better than the one used for the previous Olympics in Tokyo. I still don't know why their budget got so much out of hand. Regardless, a good time was had by all.
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