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  1. Again - disagree. This is too far into the future to make such statements with such certainty. We are talking 2036/2040 at the earliest here. You're underestimating the geopolitical power of a candidate like Singapore. You simply cannot compare it to Rio.
  2. You've just listed a whole lot of major non-western cities and completely disregarded their potential. I just don't agree with such broad stroke opinions. Singapore has the space. It is not Andorra or San Marino. It actually has quite good working relations with its neighbours and I can't see why it couldn't negotiate a the staging of events like Football or Surfing with its ASEAN counterparts. It has probably the best transport systems in the world, best airport, an incredibly high standards of living, lots of hotels, a strong government (albeit 'benign authoritarian' - but its not like the IOC would care). Its multiculturalism would be a strong selling point also and would culturally represent itself as a Malay/Chinese/Indian city (like how Atlanta underlined its African-American heritage).
  3. I was following this but too busy to engage in anything on here. Frankly found it odd that the IOC didn't hold off until AFTER Tokyo had hosted 2021. Otherwise wouldn't it have made sense to offer Tokyo first choice at 2032 should 2020 have actually been cancelled? It felt like the rush was Coates knowing that this was a potential scenario when COVID hit and was desperate to avoid Brisbane getting the boot to make way for Tokyo 2032.
  4. Coates is known to dislike Melbourne. Australia's states were borne out of separate colonies and parochialism runs very, very deep. A domestic bidding race was completely stonewalled to ensure Brisbane's path forward. I'm a Victorian, and I think Melbourne would have given the world an iconic second hosting building upon an LA/London-esque legacy. I do not believe that the Brisbane bid would have stood up to a Melbourne bid (or Sydney) on paper. However reality is that the ability to offer a July Olympics made Brisbane the favourite. Sydney would be another September Olympics and Melbourne October at earliest. Its the same reason that we will probably see Durban host Africa's first Olympics over Cape Town or Johannesburg. However I do need to stress that I still think Brisbane is a great choice and will put on an incredible Games in 2032. It is no backwater city as others suggested previously in this thread - just a lesser known city like Barcelona, Atlanta or even Melbourne was in the 1950s. Give it a chance.
  5. Particularly with the sheer amount of investment being undertaken now to upgrade the precinct and build new venues. If they don't step up for 2036/40 then I'd be very surprised.
  6. It seems surprising that it didn't evolve into a future Olympic bid. The national sports precinct on the water feels like an Olympic Park in waiting.
  7. With a seeming lack of options to take the Games to Africa a South East Asian Olympics would offer that new frontier that we will perhaps be craving after the next decade of repeat host nations.
  8. Bangkok is an incredible place and would be quite iconic - they've also had good experience over the years hosting multiple Asian Games. I just think Singapore is a sensible, lower risk option and is well positioned to 'delegate' events like Football and Surfing to its neighbours Malaysia and Indonesia (Bali).
  9. First I remember being bothered by London's cauldron not being visible from outside the stadium - and then Rio felt completely soulless because its ceremonies weren't in the track+field venue and the cauldron was moved to the waterfront. Now it appears the same thing as happened in Tokyo. What I love about the Olympics is that presence right there in the Olympic precinct. There is a majestic to this siting that I feel is kind of lost when you take it out of its context. I wish it would become part of IOC protocol that it must be within the athletics venue. Rant over!
  10. Athens (epic) and London (beautiful) - tie. Cathy Freeman and Muhammad Ali were probably the most "goosebumps".
  11. The 1956 cauldron now sits proudly within the National Sports Museum in Melbourne. I visited for the first time a few years ago and I was surprised at how big and imposing it is in person. In some ways too I've always felt like Sydney's cauldron was a very subtle nod to it? They both have that flying saucer/space age vibe.
  12. Agree that the loss of the Sydney cauldron's plyon is a travesty. Its effectively a different sculpture now sitting on those silly pick up sticks. It went from something quite majestic and classic to looking childish and meek. I wish it were somehow incorporated into ANZ Stadium's design a la Barcelona or Munich.
  13. I wish New Zealand would step up to the plate here. If the IOC could be persuaded on dates (could they in this new era?) an NZ regional Winter Olympics could be exceptional (Indoor venues in Christchurch and Auckland and mountain venues in Queenstown). Wish they'd have a crack at 2034 - would complement Brisbane 2032 beautifully.
  14. It'll come back in one form or another once interest picks up again. We are in a 1970s kind of lull. Which is why I'm somewhat perplexed that the IOC jumped at shadows so quickly to award 2032 so early. Imagine if the IOC awarded 1992 in 1981 when interest in the Olympics was still very poor? While Brisbane excites me as an Aussie I'm wondering whether they should have waited longer?
  15. Seeing as no events are taking places in the Bird's Nest it makes sense that they may consider using the 2008 cauldron out on the outside (similar in some ways to Sochi). Otherwise it won't be visible.
  16. Jakarta is an amazing place but I just can't see it happening. I think if we want to ever see SE Asia it needs to be an Olympics centred upon Singapore. The only matter to be resolved there would be Football and Surfing. Perhaps Football venues across Malaysia and Indonesia and Surfing in Bali? Maybe sailing at Penang?
  17. I also doubt it will rule out the US hosting the Winter Olympics in 2034 - Europe and Asia have done back-to-back Winter Olympics - why can't North America?
  18. A month ago I would have said the same thing about Brisbane (and I am an Australian!). Atlanta and Brisbane teach us that nothing is too soon if you are in the right places at the right time - I think a second Vancouver Games in 2030 would be nothing short of perfect.
  19. I found the cauldron kind of ugly - it reminded be somewhat of the 2018 cauldron which was awful. I did love the reveal of the staircase with Naomi Osaka at the base (reminded me of Cathy Freeman in Sydney). Best cauldrons in my opinion were Mexico City 1968, Barcelona 1992, Athens 2004, and London 2012.
  20. I loved it - and I think it was the right balance of serving the occasion and acknowledging that alot of the world (including Japan) is in a lot of pain. It couldn't be a usual Olympics ceremony because these are unusual and sombre times. They got the tone right. I thought Bach spoke beautifully to the moment (he seemed genuinely humbled). and I've never really liked his style of leadership. I love the bold move of changing Faster Higher Stronger Together.
  21. I wonder if a temporary retrofit of Manchester's Etihad Stadium (built initially for the 2002 Commonwealth Games) could be possible? That entire precinct was originally intended as an Olympic Park for Manchester 2000. Now there is a Light Rail connection to central Manchester.
  22. What kinds of upgrades? Just curious Brisbane's regional transport connections are ok but nothing brilliant (at least by European standards). Buses will play a huge role in getting people around. Is it so bad that Manchester-based regional Olympics couldn't get up? I love London but it also feel that the UK is capable of giving us another region - particularly post Brisbane.
  23. What do you base this upon? Given the little interest in the Olympics for 2024, 2028 and 2032 what makes you think that the IOC will have up to 10 cities expressing interest?
  24. I find it strange that Madrid didn't jump at 2032 in the past two years as it emerged that Brisbane was the only contender. I feel that they would have easily had the numbers to defeat Brisbane given it would be 8 years after Paris. I don't think anything is off the table, re: London. However Brisbane's selection could spark some interest from the likes of Manchester? A regional Northern England Olympics centred on Manchester (for example) could be very similar to the Brisbane model with venues shared with Liverpool / Leeds / Sheffield.
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