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anthonyliberatori

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  1. Not all Olympics have athletics in the same stadium as the OC/CC - Rio did not, LA will not now with the OC/CC going to Inglewood, etc. Obviously, those are exceptions to the rule and not every city has a surplus of stadiums, but it is not a set-in-stone rule that the stadiums have to be shared. Many global cities have 80k+ stadiums, either for American football or actual football, and if not, they are either A) left over from previous sporting events and world cups (South Africa, Brazil, Japan, Korea, etc), or B ) serve other sports (MCG, many cricket stadiums elsewhere in the Commonwealth, etc). I think many cities at the moment cannot justify either A) building an additional stadium that will not have a guaranteed future (London's case), or B ) renovating their existing stadium to the point that it won't serve its original pre and post Games function well (ie adding a track to an American football stadium, decreasing capacity). I think that's another issue to look at IMO, but like Garcetti said, they Olympics should fit your city, not the other way around. I'm excited to see how future bids will go around that like Rio and LA did. Barcelona could do athletics in Montjuic and OC/CC in Camp Nou, Philadelphia could do athletics in Franklin Field and OC/CC in Lincoln Financial, etc.
  2. My favorite name in my notifications has returned! You know, you don't need to psycho-analyze all of my posts, right? I think you have a mixed view of support versus drawing conclusions/analysis. I, given my values for Olympic Games, have examined all bids thoroughly (which is obvious, this is a website to do just that, so assuming I only support Calgary and Sion is rather stupid), and see positives AND negatives or all of the possible bids for 2026. Given the question at hand, I just so happened to argue in favor of Calgary/Sion and against Stockholm. However, I still do value the bid from Stockholm and would love to see it host, but for THIS question, I talked about its cons. Each bid has many things going for it, AND many things going against it. And as someone who is "partial towards Calgary and Sion" and "not really subjective", I like to acknowledge both in different settings to help better understand each bid, and this time around, it was to talk about Stockholm's main con, to ME. So, even if I have argued in Calgary's defense more, that doesn't indicate I am impartial, biased, or already sold on a bid. I may just like to engage in Olympic-related conversation. Assuming that I'm already sold on Calgary just proves you needed one more thing to try and add to your rebuttal. And, don't write a sentence about how much of a "casual observer" you are, to just begin the next paragraph talking about your own views and images of the future. It's contradicting.
  3. This is false. Both the flight times from Glasgow-Bucharest and Bilbao-St.Petersburg are under 4 hours, with the Dublin-Baku flight being about 5 hours 30 minutes. A flight from Boston or New York to Los Angeles is usually about 6 hours and 20 minutes. Also, a flight from Montreal to Mexico City is over 5 hours. And, with the exception of the few host cities not in the open border area, All of the travelers going between Mexico and the USA and Canada and Mexico will need to clear immigration, flights from the USA to Canada can get pre-cleared, but not always. We also do not have the established rail network or lowcost airline assortment, so it will be very costly for someone trying to see their team when their group is based in Los Angeles, Baltimore, Guadalajara, and Edmonton But furthermore, the Euro 2020 Group Stages were established, and here they are (http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro-2020/news/newsid=2525102.html) Group A: Rome and Baku Group B: Saint Petersburg and Copenhagen Group C: Amsterdam and Bucharest Group D: London and Glasgow Group E: Bilbao and Dublin Group F: Munich and Budapest This means that none of those long flights you mentioned will happen by someone trying to follow the same team, or same group. The distance between Rome and Baku is rather far, being about 4 hours by plane. But, that is the only real long journey a fan would have to make. Once we get into the quarterfinals, the distance gets even more slim, with the cities being Munich, St.Petersburg, Baku and Rome. The semi finals and final are all in London. So, while the group stage was ordered, the playoff matches and final matches were coordinated quite well. I was saying the US should try and do the same thing, just not random groups.
  4. I understand why you think a Western European bid will overtake Calgary, although I would love to see Calgary host, I know that if Sion sticks around, it will likely go to them. Calgary will be one of those cities that will likely want to bid once the Olympics get a positive image in the eyes of the public, I don't think Switzerland will garner this type of support again if they go all the way through and ultimately lose. But, relating to Stockholm/Are, one event in Whistler is MUCH different than half of the events 7.5 hours away by car. We see this with landlocked Summer Olympic cities often with sailing; Atlanta 1996 had sailing in the Wassaw Sound near Savannah/Tybee Island, about 4 hours from Atlanta, and Paris 2024 will have sailing in Marseilles, 7.5 hours away. So, that is not uncommon and is completely understandable for one event to be in a faraway place due to physical, uncontrollable deficits. However, doing half of the Olympic events in Are will be such an organizational mess. Even if some events are in Park City for Denver (which I just searched is 10 minutes longer than the distance from Stockholm-Are but also is on major highway 80 with much more development along the way, making the drive easier for anybody who doesn't go by air), Denver will still be able to have most of the mountain events on their own mountains in the Rockies. I'm actually surprised they even suggested using Park City when they really don't need to. But, I can live with an event or two in Whistler or Park City with the respective Olympics in Calgary or Denver, but setting an unneeded precedent with Stockholm/Are seems premature and unnecessary. That's great you view Calgary that way, I do not I don't not support Stockholm, but I don't feel like it is worth the risk/stress when we have other cities with similar costs, and not of these problems. I personally think Sion has the best chance if they make it all the way through, with Calgary as the 2nd.
  5. What is killing United 2026 is the distance. I hope they decide to clump cities together based on region, allowing for certain groups to stay in a certain part of the country, and then having all of the playoff matches in the big stadiums around the three countries. But it is going to be so hard for German, Japanese, South African, etc fans to catch a game in Edmonton, Miami, New York, and San Francisco during Group Stage. A successful United 2026 could pave the way for an England, Spain, France, Italy or Germany WC, which is what FIFA needs. Also, the regional concept opens up other powerhouse areas, such as Uraguay-Paraguay-Argentina, Australia/New Zealand, another split Asian bid between Indonesia-Malaysia-Singapore or something, or even a Pan-Europe bid so small countries like the Netherlands, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, etc could host. However, I fear a Morocco 2026 WC, after following behind Russia and Qatar, could be potentially dangerous to the longevity of FIFA.
  6. I would support Stockholm, but not over Sion, Calgary, or Graz. I think 2026 will be pivotal in determining the future of Winter Olympics, and I know Stockholm could certainly deliver a Great games, but the distance between ice and snow events is horrendous, and will be for everyone involved: athletes, media/other personnel, and spectators. If a city like Calgary, Graz or Sion (the latter two also being rather spread out but certainly not as much, and the Swiss's extensive rail network accommodates for it), where the events aren't 2+ hours apart, runs against Stockholm, I don't think there's a reason for the IOC to establish a new precedent or "new norm" when we really don't need to. Beijing will be hard enough, but that bullet train should help. If it's a necessary norm for the IOC to create because no city that has all the needed infrastructure close enough wants to bid, then fine. But if a city like Calgary is in the race, I don't see Stockholm winning. Between Sapporo or Erzurum, Stockholm for me hands down. If it's Turin or Cortina for Italy, Stockholm for me as well, but if it's Milan, I'd pick Milan over Stockholm. Though, I do not think Stockholm will win against Sion, Calgary or Graz. However, those three are the three most deliberated bids at the moment, so I will not be surprised if one or all of them drop out. That will open the door for Stockholm.
  7. They're still seeking government approval, so until they get that, they're just as serious as Sion. You're right, it could be Stockholm's time, I am almost positive the IOC will invite any standing European city by October to become a final bid for 2026 and move out of candidature. However, in the meantime, they do need to secure government approval and funding before they can become official.
  8. Thank you for sharing this, it was the first time I watched the ceremony since I saw it live. I actually liked it more the second time than the first, and I did enjoy it the first time.
  9. intoronto, Can you turn on your messages so I can message you questions about the volunteer application process? I plan on applying for Tokyo 2020 and I just have some questions about your experience with the process.
  10. Thank you SO much for sharing your photos and experience, I am so glad to see your photos and that you enjoyed your first ever Olympics!
  11. I understand, which is why I referenced Vancouver rather than Pyeongchang. If it worked in Vancouver, not having to have games around the country, it could likely work in Calgary too. But if the Stampede Corral is getting demolished like Stryker said, then the idea is out of the picture.
  12. Could the Stampede Corral host some of the smaller ice hockey games? For Vancouver, they used the UBC Mitchell Sports Center, which had a capacity of 7,200, the Stampede Corral has 6,450. They could possibly do some renovations to add more seats, but even in its current state, that should be logical, right? Many of the womens hokcey games will get about that many people, and so will the smaller hockey games between two faraway, non-popular teams. Obviously, bigger games and all playoff games in the Saddledome. That way, they wouldn't have to travel around Canada for ice hockey like they do for Olympic soccer.
  13. How sad. We knew it was going to happen, but it is always sad to see an Olympic stadium go down.
  14. Would've loved for a Madrid Olympics to have gone through. Hopefully, when the IOC is fully back on its feet, as well as Spain itself, maybe a Madrid Olympics could be possible, or hell, a return to Barcelona. Always thought it was weird how one of our most successful Olympic host countries only got to host it once, but tried many times afterwards and got rejected.
  15. I'm with you. If the Winter Olympics are returning to the Alps, I'd love to see them back in the Swiss Alps (first since 1948), Austrian Alps (first since 1976) or French Alps, even though they're not in the running at the moment (first since 1992). Turin 2006 didn't even turn out to be that much of an economic booster, just an urban revamp. How much more urban work could the city need 20 years later? And din't Italy have a massive lottery to pay off Turin 2006 debt? As much as I like the idea of Milan 2026, and ultimately would support it if Calgary and Sion both fell through, I would certainly put Calgary, Sion, and Graz over Milan/Torino. We need the Olympic image to be saved, not hindered anymore than they already are.
  16. Eh (no pun intended), I don't know how far this would go. We are seeing the struggles that Calgary is facing right now, and I'm not too sure the country would want to go through this again, and also simultaneously, with Toronto. Calgary officials have literally stated that they know 2026 would be successful for both Calgary and the Olympic movement as a whole. But, they simply don't want to take the chance due to possible risks. That is saying something, especially since Calgary 1988 was one of the most successful Winter Games to date. I think if Calgary 2026 happens, all of Canada's efforts and resources will likely, and should, go to Calgary. If Calgary 2026 doesn't get elected, either because it never enters the final bid race or because it loses in vote, I don't think many in the country are going to drop everything and focus their energy on Toronto. In a country that has heaps of success in both medal winning at and hosting the Winter Olympics, and not too much success at medal winning and hosting the Summer Olympics, their energy and efforts should remain with hosting the Winter Games. I do think, though, that can change. Montreal did leave a sour taste in many's mouths for the Summer Games, but both Calgary and the USA/Canada/Mexico FIFA bid win 2026, and both end up being successful to Canadians, I think there is potential for Toronto 2036, and a lot of it. Montreal would've been 60 years ago by that time, and the issues with 1976 will hopefully be overshadowed by 1988, 2010 and 2026 successes. Toronto would be an amazing Summer Olympics host, but given the current Olympic climate, both in Canada and with the IOC, I think the IOC would jump at a Calgary bid before a Toronto bid.
  17. Just when I think you can't say anything more racist or hateful, you prove me wrong!
  18. I was around for that, I remember being somewhat indecisive. My heart wanted Rome, my wanderlust wanted Paris, but my inner-economist wanted LA. I was very happy with the dual-allocation, though, I knew it would be between Paris and LA, and I just couldn't think of which one would lose to the other. Thankfully, neither did. Just curious, what do you think LA's 2028 legacy will be 10 years out?
  19. They were, in terms of profit returns. Barcelona 1992 had a different type of success than LA 1984. Goes back to my point that each Olympic legacy is different, and there shouldn't be one example of what a "successful" Olympic host was. It comes in different forms
  20. Didn't see this until just now! But speaking of Sion... https://gamesbids.com/eng/winter-olympic-bids/2026-olympic-bid-news/sion-2026-olympic-bid-in-danger-as-referendum-could-be-switched-to-national-vote/ It seems like every time this bid gets some kind of hope, some new obstacle comes along. If Sion can actually make it to the final bid vote in September 2019, that will be an achievement within itself.
  21. Who said they would talk down to or preach to anybody? They could address the boom of a culture and economy without putting anybody down. They don't even have to mention the atomic bombs by name. With Rio, they used their favelas, neighborhoods ridden with poverty, crime, and lack of access to water and electricity, as a medium to showcase the birth of modern Brazilian rap and dance. Who says Japan can't have something with music/dance/some sort of culture "rising" from nothing into a huge, grandiose skeptical, implying a birth of a new Japan after the bombs, without ever directly saying "hey y'all, the Americans bombed us over 60 years ago, let's tell you about it as if you haven't heard it many times before"? Whether or not it makes Americans uncomfortable, it's still a big part of the history and development of their country as we know it today. I wouldn't be surprised if it's brought up or implied at some point during the ceremony.
  22. This is the first Eurovision I am going to follow. I remember Lena from 2010, but I did not actually watch the event, I just heard the song the day she won and ended up adding it to my playlist. I am very excited!! Signed, an American
  23. I'm hoping they take a similar approach that Beijing 2008 took with their ceremonies. I know they had Nagano in 1998, but that was so long ago, and quite boring. I would love some Japanese history with it, I would really love to see how they go about addressing the atomic bombs and WW2. From what I've read, Tokyo 1964 was geared towards that, and a big part of those Games was to show the world that Japan had bounced back, but I think with new technology, it could be an amazing presentation of their history. Either the bombs, or their ancient history. Obviously, not the entire OC should be geared towards history, but an OC focused solely on technology and the future could end up being somewhat of a drag. I know Japan will run circles around Korea though, and by the looks of Beijing 2022's handover, they will leave big shoes for China to fill as well. Just a thought.
  24. This would really suck Milan, who had to drop interest for 2026 because they were hosting the IOC session. And I have a feeling a Milan Winter Olympics would be much better than a Turin 2.0 Olympics.
  25. With any Olympics, host cities could drop out. Hell, Denver dropped out after it was granted rights, and halfway through its waiting time. Can't fully worry about that though, it's only ever happened once from a city that was extremely polarized about the topic to begin with. The hope is that if Sion or Calgary can make it through to the final voting stage, they will be elected in. Because Pyeonchang wasn't the fiscal disaster that Sochi was, I'm hoping the possible host cities do not drop out between now and next year.
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