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Everything posted by anthonyliberatori

  1. Didn't Norway also claim they would try for 2030, because 226 didn't give them enough time to garner political support? But even so, in the case that Sapporo is interested in 2030, you're actually supporting Quaker's claim more in that SLC can step in and cover 2026 should the IOC be left with absolutely no options, and then cities like Sapporo, Oslo/Lillehammer, and whoever else can actually bid for 2030. Not half-cracked logic. Keeps host interested and a stable bid process, and gets the IOC that desired North American or Western Europe host for at least 2026, but maybe even 2030 as well.
  2. Regardless of the issues the two of you have, he has a valid point LOL. He seems to be thinking the USOC is lined up to pull an Innsbruck when Denver dropped out three years before, expect with much more planning. (at most 11 years, but ready whenever needed). Which, could be very smart, because it may send a message like "if this city can do it on such little notice and still not spend so much, there's no reason why *insert winter sports city/region* can't also host. I actually never considered it like that to tell you the honest truth.
  3. Maybe I should've done more reading before I asked the question, obviously I missed some backstory here ...
  4. Even though I did not tag you directly, thanks for sharing. I too am smelling a double-award on the horizon, I agree with you in that the USOC wouldn't be worrying this early about a 2030 bid, especially when they already have a full-on Olympics to plan, if they weren't expecting to find out about hosting 2030 next year. I also think they are putting some sort of trust in SLC about erasing some of the bad press, which is understandable. Look, we agree!
  5. Quaker started the thread a long time ago, and resurfaced it with this article, hence why I tagged him directly ... Do I need to call you out directly so you feel included? I'm aware of his opinion, I wanted to know if it had changed given the new circumstances. And, if it was the same, I wanted to hear why. Just getting discussion rolling, hence the point of this thread, and forum entirely.
  6. Quaker, what do you thinks the odds are that we'll see a double award of Milan or Stockholm for 2026, and then Salt Lake or Denver for 2030? Do you think it's best in the IOCs interest to decide in 2019 their plans through 2030?
  7. Did you just try to correct/one-up my statement by reiterating it?
  8. Certainly not what anyone wants to be hearing right about now. The BidWeek article may have gotten it correct: The IOC must change everything.
  9. If we took a shot each time a potential 2026 host city said "referendum", we would be drunk until 2026.
  10. The Olympics certainly won't go away, they will establish a system of permanent hosts well before they completely do away with the Olympics. With the Summer Games, they could rotate around the six continents, using say, Los Angeles, Rio, Paris, Johannesburg, Tokyo and Sydney, meaning it will be 24 years in between a city's edition of the Games, allowing for a change over time in artistic and presentation elements, but not having massive financial risks. Winter could adapt a similar shuffle concept, just not as continent-based, as Oceania and Africa are completely ill-equipped. I do not support this, though, and I do not think it will even come down to that (yet). What I really see happening, is the IOC giving to Milan-Cortina if they make it to the voting, just because Stockholm's political situation is very rocky and with such a spread out bid, they may want to test a largely-spread Winter bid somewhere else rather than Stockholm-North Sweden-Latvia. If both fall through, SLC or Denver will likely get it. But, with the 2026 Olympics, 2026 World Cup, and 2028 Olympics in the USA, the European and Asian nations will want cracks at it themselves to show that everything shouldn't be American-based. The US games, will, hopefully reconstruct the idea of how to finance and budget for an Olympics, it will just be imperative that the US does not try to overdo it. But, I then see 2032 being basically handed to a European bid that goes through, with 2030 given to Oslo if they can make it as well. Boom, we recreated the late 1970s/80s era. "It's the end of the Olympics!" was said before, and look what happened.
  11. I really hate to do this, but now my trust in order to organize a mass event is going to the Italians ..... read that again..... the italians..... We have a rocky 7 months ahead of us before this vote.
  12. LOVE to see it, but don't love that cost ... 40 million more than the construction cost? Wonder how much of that will actually go through. After the Marcana going virtually unused for months after Rio 2016 to the point it was looted, to Tokyo 2020 downgrading its stadium multiple times (I personally prefer the garden stadium over the bicycle helmet though), I will not keep my hopes up for this renovation to go exactly as planned.
  13. This could be good for Spain. Given the access to its numerous Liga stadiums, it would not need to construct virtually any new stadiums, and could host alone, but could still incorporate Portugal in the mix as well. I expect, however, the move of the final to Camp Nou in Barcelona instead of Bernabeu in Madrid, as the tourist situation is much different than it was in 1982. After Barcelona 1992 and the expansion of the beach and tourism sect, the city is practically cut out for mass amounts of tourists. In addition, Camp Nou can host 99k, while Bernabeau fits 83k. Barcelona also has Lluis Companys, and Madrid has the Wanda Metropolitan and Vincente Calderon, but that could be demolished by 2030, as Atletico left. It will be in some serious competition with an organized and unified England bid. I personally think a Spanish bid will be more competitive than a Pan-South South American bid against England, but that's just me. But, as stated above, it's very far off from now.
  14. I hope you meany general pilgrimages to Mecca and not the Hajj, because the Hajj takes place in July in 2022.... However, Dubai, Abu Dhabi and Doha are transit hubs for European tourists trying to go to Mauritius, the Seychelles, Sri Lanka Australia, New Zealand, and Southeast Asia. While yes, all of these places will have tourists in December, it will not be as much as in the summer during holidays or cold winter, as main European traffic to the hot vacation spots goes from July to August and Christmas to Easter. I know Australia and Indonesia are somewhat exceptions because December begins their summer vacation, but from Europe and North America, early December is an off-peak time. Collectively, though, it will be a mess for travelers who are trying to go into Qatar for the championship final. Mid to late December is expensive all across the world, and being a prime vacation time, everyone will be in transit. It will be interesting to see how the flight situations turn out, I'm expecting numerous charter flights. We haven't seen this with the World Cup since 2002 when the final was played in Tokyo where major airline hub traffic will be of concern. Berlin hosted the 2006 final, but no major transatlantic carrier hubs in Berlin,as Lufthansa uses Frankfurt and Munich primarily. Johannesburg, Rio and Moscow are hubs for their national carrier, but not major connection points like Tokyo and Doha are, as they are somewhat isolated from the main transatlantic and transpacific flow.
  15. It's time for qualifying! Host slot: France All 5 AFC spots have been taken: China, Thailand, Japan, Australia and South Korea. The 2 CONMEBOL spots are also taken: Brasil and Chile (Chile's debut) 3/8 UEFA slots are taken: Spain, England, Italy 11 slots have been taken of the 24 available. That means we still need to wait for the 5 remaining UEFA slots, three CAF slots, three CONCACAF slots, one OFC slot, and the one CONCACAF/CONMEBOL playoff slot, leaving us with the remaining 13 slots. Who do you all think will take these spots?
  16. I cannot wait to see how this hotel/accommodation situation plays out. I have read that Qatar is considering packages were people can stay in nearby countries, like UAE, and come in just for the day for a game before returning to UAE because they do not physically have the space for hotels. Even if that's exaggerated, I'm wondering what they'll do. I also wonder if flights into Doha from the northern hemisphere will be cheaper than usual because late November and early December are travel off season.
  17. China most likely can't get the 2030 FIFA World Cup. When FIFA redid the bidding process for 2026, they didn't allow UEFA or AFC to bid for 2026 due to Russia 2018 and Qatar 2022, spreading the tournament to CONMEBOL, CONCACAF, OFC or CAF. If that new rule should stand, which I don't see why it wouldn't, 2030 will be open to OFC (Never hosted), CAF (Las host: South Africa 2010), CONMEBOL (last host: Brasil 2014), and UEFA (Last host: Russia 2018). Since China is an AFC country, their window will not open until the 2034 cycle.
  18. I just came home from Indonesia and I can agree that Jakarta will be an eventual Olympics host, they surely have a love for large sporting events. However, it will be dependent on the subway lines, Jakarta traffic is absolutely horrendous. It will be monumental for the region though.However, I do think Kuala Lumpur could possible beat out Jakarta in southeast Asia if they were to eventually compete. But the real city in Southeast Asia that would host a stellar Olympics is Singapore ... however, they don't have the space!
  19. *Pretends to be shocked* http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-5782211/Qatar-2022-World-Cup-bid-victory-completely-illegitimate-says-new-corruption-watchdog.html
  20. Wonder if it will be used by athletes (like Norwegian Getaway in Rio) or media (Norwegian Jade in Sochi). Maybe even for public use?
  21. I cannot stand the chicken noises in Israel's entry, I just haven't been able to like it. I personally see France, Spain or Cyprus winning, and I do enjoy Ireland and Australia as well. But, given politics, it may be time for Israel to win. Wouldn't mind a Tel Aviv 2019 Eurovision.
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