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  1. Best way to get them is to check it constantly like you have OCD, especially closer to the Games. It's all about a combination of luck, timing, and desire.
  2. At this point, we should all be used to the fear mongering yellow journalism that abounds for every Olympics due to the media needing clickbait. I think that was highlighted nowhere more than in Sochi where NBC tried to say that as soon as you connected to the internet in Russia, hackers were having their way with you. It turns out that they just had a reporter type in Sochi, go to sketch unofficial websites and open attachments, and shocker, he got viruses... just like you would doing that anywhere in America. http://www.engadget.com/2014/02/06/nbc-hacking-sochi-dispute/ I went to London amid reports of the impending transit apocalypse, to find that it was actually better than any other time I'd been in London (as so many locals got scared away. I went to Sochi amid reports of "probable" attacks and that the water was brown. 100% fine (I didn't drink the water, but I wouldn't have anyways. It ran clear). Literally everyone I talked to in Sochi had a great time, and the Canadians I talked to universally preferred the Sochi games to Vancouver (the hockey double gold probably didn't hurt). I went to the last World Cup amid reports that there was no way that Brazil would deliver and protests and crime would take it over. It went fine. The media enjoys having something to write about, and the half built stadium pictures always drive panic, but the overall infrastructure is going to be fine. From a spectator standpoint, the only real worry is that the metro line 4 won't complete. Is the water going to be terrifying and will sailboats have to avoid dead dogs in the bay and marathon swimmers suffer serious health issues? Yeah, but we kind of knew that was going to happen.
  3. So long as Toronto keeps electing known crack fiends as high ranking public officials, I don't think you've got room to talk trash about other cities...
  4. So I've traveled to over 70 countries and Brazil, with Rio in particular, being notably magical. There's something about the culture and the hustle and bustle that is magical to me. Safety is a relative term. I don't think Rio is dangerous to the point where anyone except the very paranoid should cancel a trip. That being said, Rio is absolutely a dangerous city and you should take precautions. There's always safety in numbers, both within your group and with the surrounding area Understand the traffic flow where you are. I've stayed in centro a couple of times, and it absolutely shuts down at ~6 PM, making it pretty dangerous to be wandering by yourself or in a pair. Be on the watch for bands of young (9-16) boys roaming around. They do not give a damn about authorities (I was told by my local friends that juveniles crime is hardly punished at all), so they will be very brash with what they're willing to do. Nighttime in Zona Sul is known to be a favored time of Carioca stick up artists. There's always stories about people getting mugged on the beach at night or while jogging on the strand. Crimes of opportunity are rampant on the strand in front of the beaches, and if you hang out at a cafe for a few hours, the chance that you see someone chasing a pickpocket or a bag snatcher aren't bad. Also, don't show up with a mag strip atm card. Brazil is notorious for card cloning. The one rule to remember, above all else, is that regardless of what you're used to where you're from, if someone pulls a knife or a gun on you in Brazil, you give them whatever the hell they want, because the weapon isn't a threat, it's a promise. There's plenty of stories where muggers in Rio have killed their victims even with just a minimal level of resistance. It's not worth it. Don't bring anything you're not willing to give up. Please keep in mind that the Cariocas always know best, and that I'm just a well traveled tourist with a handful of visits. With my travel experience, I wouldn't hesitate to wander around Rio, and it's one of my favorite cities in the world. Just remember to minimize your risk and always be aware of your surroundings.
  5. I don't want to answer 1 and 2, because I feel those are more resident questions. 3) Theoretically, travel is free throughout the city for every day you have a ticket to an event. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure they're separate. 4) There are meters, but a few are rigged. I once got one from SDU where it was flying. Otherwise, I feel that taxis are pretty affordable, especially compared to European standards 5) Check the route of the Real bus. If you're near a stop, it's super convenient. You'd probably get to the area around 6 AM after customs and baggage pickup, so you'd likely be fine from a safety perspective. 6) English is maybe marginally widely spoken among the educated class. I wouldn't count on a bus driver speaking English. If you speak Spanish, you can get by, although people will think you're an idiot (the route I took). Also, Brazil (mainly in the South, but some all over), has a lot of your former countrymen/women, due to mass migration after WWII. Many of them still speak, as my German speaking friend learned during during Carnival.
  6. Man, and I thought that Cosport was bad. My friend just told me that Cartan is charging a $75 "delivery fee" on top of the normal 20% per ticket mark up. That doesn't sound so crazy. Cosport charges $35, Dertour charges about $100 for international deliveries. The difference is that Cartan doesn't send your tickets out. That's the delivery fee for PICKING UP your tickets in Rio. There is no actual delivery option.
  7. Probably not what you want to hear, but I had a friend who was able to purchase both men and women team and AA finals. She was obsessively checking and refreshing though. By the time I got in ten minutes later, a number of things I was interested in were already gone. Swimming finals were gone, women's beach vball final gone. I was able to get a swimming prelim, men's soccer final, women's water polo final.
  8. I could be wrong, but I think they pretty explicitly say they don't make guarantees about tickets being together. Hope and pray is all you can do. It wasn't an issue at Sochi, because most events weren't sold out, so they didn't have to make any difficult logistic decisions...
  9. Does the airport still have the problem where cards used in the ATM machines at GIG get cloned and illegally used elsewhere?
  10. I think BV and tennis should be really easy to move. Early BV is one of the best values on the slate. Four matches, on Copacabana for $25?
  11. I got downgraded from A to C in a freestyle wrestling event in Round 1, so I can attest that they were doing that. It makes you wonder who the hundred or so people were who got the 100m final and didn't pay up for them...
  12. Americans went savage on Cosport. Even ping pong is sold out!
  13. In 2024, people are probably still going to have a voracious appetite for sporting events, and tickets are only likely to be harder to come by. This is doubly true if it ends up being in a sports loving country like the United States. The host nation will always end up getting the vast majority of the tickets as they're most likely to come. Your 50/25/25 allocation idea doesn't work specifically because of countries like Denmark. Smaller countries often don't have enough fans to guarantee 4,000-20,000 fans a game, especially should Denmark qualify in a sport they're not traditionally good at, like rugby. The IOC is dedicated to selling as many tickets as possible, and the mystery tickets result in diehard fans of the sport buying random tickets in hopes of getting the dream matchup that would be hard to buy once the matchups were known. I personally did this in Sochi to make sure I got into Russia/USA in ice hockey, but as a huge ice hockey fan, I enjoyed the Sweden/Latvia matchups too. The good news for you as a fan of sport, is that Denmark tickets don't have the same competition from other fans in the country that say USA Basketball or New Zealand Rugby would have to have, so you could most likely get tickets at a more reasonable cost. If you want to go to the Olympics and watch team sports, I think that you should be able to acquire Denmark tickets at the easier end of any of the teams. You guys only need to worry about producing another Peter Schmeichel. Oh, also, Cosport seems to finally have gotten ahold of some football/soccer tickets. My Canadian based former boss was able to snag me a ticket to the men's gold medal match. I'm happy, but a touch melancholy because it means I'll have to figure out a way to get rid of my men's water polo gold ticket as it's at the same time...
  14. I would highly recommend trying to sell them before going, as you don't want to be mistaken for scalping in Brazil... Handball is hit and miss. If you get a game with Germany, it'll be easy to get rid of, but two unpopular teams and you'll likely have to take a loss.
  15. Canadian Cosport is open for business. Not in the US yet. Lot of Athletics available.
  16. I just wanted to say kudos to ATP for putting together packages that aren't eye gougingly awful... http://www.atpi.com/rio2016/olympic-games/packages-rio/santa-teresa/ $1500 KLM direct flights (looking in 2015, so higher with demand probably) $100 airport transfers $600 for a hotel, estimating that $300/night would be reasonable for the Olympics $1000 tickets to women's hockey final (one of Holland's best medal hopes), Equestrian final, W basketball bronze, w handball final (big in Europe) and the m volleyball final (one of the hardest tickets in the Olympics to find) So you've got a total of $3,200 per person, and given the possibility of increases in airfare for the Olympics, and the difficulty to source these specific tickets, I actually think these tickets are bargains for casual fans. It really is a shame that Cosport can't provide similar value, and instead opts for the $200 ticket plus $1300/night hotel route...
  17. I'm going assume that you live in the United States. When the plane tickets come out, there will likely be no award availability at the saver rates, and tickets starting in the $1500/2000 range depending on where you're coming from. It'll be a bit tighter than London, simply because there aren't as many regularly scheduled flights, with comparable demand. Most of the time, near into a big event like the Olympics, the prices will sag to at or below the normal rates due to flagging demand, but it would suck if this was the one time everything sold out . One thing to keep in mind is that flying into GRU and buying a cheap national flight to GIG or SDU could save you hundreds (I did this for Carnival) Historically, the GIG airport has a strange footnote in that the ATM machines are constantly being hacked and thousands of people at various times have reported having their credit cards cloned due to GIG ATM use. Hotel rooms are the biggest x factor. In Sochi the cruise ships were a very affordable hotel room alternative. The big thing is to save as much money as possible. No one ever says, "I wish I didn't save this much money! I have too much left over!"
  18. You can definitely report your tickets as stolen, and they'll be deactivated, but as they can't be replaced (supposedly anyways), there would be no reason to deactivate them after the sale, unless you had pure hate in your heart. It might be a factor in Rio on the street, but on eBay you're much more likely to run into the scammer who never sends anything. Scoobie, in Sochi, it happened to me twice with tickets sourced from Cosport. They claim that the Sochi organizers got cancel happy. If anyone was curious, Cosport president Robert F Long is the guy who responds if you file a BBB report, haha. As far as the senior tickets etc, 95% of the time no one will care. At last year's World Cup I watched the guy in front of me WALK IN with a wheelchair ticket...
  19. On a random, but I feel important note about Olympic tickets: I feel that one of the things to watch out for every Olympics is when the Holland Heineken House tickets go on sale. They tend to be ~$20 USD, and they definitely sell out, so don't delay. During the daytime, it tends to be like a chill lounge, with TVs showing the events. Nighttime tends to be a fairly raucous house/frat party, with a wild celebration for any Dutch athletes who won medals. In Sochi it felt like every Dutch athlete had five, so it was a pretty crazy the two nights I was in there.
  20. Nobody has anything in hand (probably close to a full year ahead of time), but you could feasibly know of extra tickets you have right now. I for sure wouldn't buy anything now, as ebay protection only covers 30 days. Unless you're dealing with a crazy reliable seller with plenty of ticket sales, it's way too much of a gamble to buy any tickets from eBay until the tickets are in hand...
  21. So when I mentioned counterfeit tickets earlier, I meant more "bad tickets" in general. As far as counterfeit tickets go, They're actually pretty counterfeitable. Sporting events in the United States are a lot of times the key targets of such things, so tickets will have a combination of foil and embellishments, holograms, and complex pictures. In London and Sochi, they featured small holograms and complex dot matrix patterns, but to the eyeball, would be counterfeitable if someone were so inclined. The non souvenir tickets that are printed at the grounds are extremely low in security features. I went to the Champions League Final of football/soccer a couple of weeks ago, and upwards of 5,000 counterfeit tickets were floating around, delaying the entry by more than an hour. I had a real one, and when I was inspecting a counterfeit, differences could really only be spotted when holding them side by side. It was probably 97-98% accurate. (They also make the very curious decision to print the tickets on a paper stock rather than a card stock, making them very flimsy) One of the very real things to worry about are "cancelled" tickets. In Sochi, I had two tickets that were purchased directly from Cosport that were denied entry when I went to scan in. It's a reminder that whenever possible, go to your event well ahead of time! What I learned is that while replacements aren't always given, tickets reported stolen can be remotely deactivated so that the ultimate recipient is denied at the gate (and possibly detained). In each case I had to call Cosport and let their Russian representative confirm that I had a real ticket, and a different ticket was than issued. Cosport blamed the Sochi organizers, and refused to refund my money despite the me missing half of both events until I went to the BBB. So yeah, one of the dangers is to buy a "real" ticket that won't scan in due to theft or some bureaucratic mess up. So quick primer in choosing a scalper/tout. NEVER EVER WIRE MONEY TO ANY INDIVIDUAL! I feel that should go without saying, but wiring money to an individual never leads to good things. Only consider wire payments to verified ATRs and reputable ticket brokers. Fellow fans are usually the best choice, most likely to give you a good deal, and less likely to rip you off. My ideal is to find someone ready to walk in, so I can walk in together with the person. Otherwise, find someone who's ok with you taking a picture of their ID in case something goes wrong. It often won't help at all, but it makes you seem like less of an easy mark. It'll scare some scammers away. On eBay, you'll always have people with 6 or 7 feedback selling $3,000 tickets, especially from third world countries. Here's an example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Champions-League-Final-Tickets-2015-Berlin-CAT-1-/111680038202?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1a00a6253a&nma=true&si=Znh1%252F0wVDrYHQu2dHIkGZw9SdJk%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 You're really going to trust $3,000 for someone with no history of selling anything, let alone expensive tickets, and they don't even post a picture of the ticket? So in summary, in my opinion, if your main goal is to not get scammed, this is the order that I would go in: 1) ATR's/Sponsors 2) Ticket brokers with proven track records of making good (Stubhub lost millions making sure their Super Bowl customers orders got filled this year) 3) Fellow Fans (more scam risk than the best brokers, but likely better prices) 4) Ebay with a good track record 5) Craigslist (only because you can negotiate to meet in a secure location) 6) Off the street/In front of the venue (You start getting into legal risk, scam risks, mugging risks, etc)
  22. This is the thing about Olympic hotels: It's all a high dollar game of chicken. London and Sochi were both filled with doomsday, Y2K level doubters who spoke of hotels literally being sold out for the Olympics. In both cases, on the ground, they turned out to be underfilled, with hotels going below the rack room rate, let alone the special event rate. Is it possible that all hotels in decent areas get sold out? YES! Is it probable that if you wait til the IOC lifts its room blocks, that there will be plenty available at moderate prices? YES! My experience this year for Carnival, was that everything was booked up, and then two weeks before the start, prices dropped hard, and I gave up my $200/night 2* hotel downtown for a $150/night 4* hotel on Copacabana. I would recommend not stressing out too much. If you see a hotel open up that you're comfortable with the price and location of, book it. The one caveat I would add, is to not be set on staying in Barra. That will be held closest by the IOC, and potentially may never open up. While it's not as good logistically for travel, I highly recommend Lapa as a district that's less recommended, especially if you're young. There's a lot of really nice bars, restaurants and other nightlife here. It was really hopping during Carnival, and I'm sure it'll be the same for the Olympics. So first of all, it's still Cosport, for what that's worth. As someone who's lived in Canada before, I didn't have any issues with having my US bank switch my billing address over to Canada, so payment shouldn't be an issue. As to whether it's "easier", I checked round two from my friend's account, and the availability of sessions was probably 66% of that of what the US had available, but I would imagine there's probably a lot less demand for the Summer Olympics there than in the United States.
  23. To me, one of the most important aspects to a forum like this is to help people make the best informed decisions that they can make. For someone like fantome14, I'd highly encourage her to stay on the wagon. She just wants to see a variety of events, which is very doable. For cece, she's very focused on seeing two of probably the ten most in demand events within the games, so I wanted to be as honest as possible as to what her chances were before she made an outlay of thousands more dollars. If her chances of getting those tickets are ~1%, it's not going to help her decision making to sugarcoat it. So to Baron, I think that you've proven on this ticketing thread to be wholly ignorant of how ticketing for the Olympics works. I haven't read much into the rest of the forum, so I don't know if you're all-around ignorant, but I can say that I haven't seen a useful post from you within this area. Posts like yours are simply DANGEROUS, because you're presenting your fantasies as being realistic options, which may sway the decision making of people who are preparing to spend significant amounts of money on a trip. Bad ideas proposed by Baron in this thread that I haven't previously discussed: -Doubting the ticket buying prowess of Volshy -Telling people to sell tickets in front of the venue when scalping is illegal -Suggesting that scalpers accept pins as currency
  24. @scoobiesnacks Nah, he's saying that they'll sell the tickets of people who don't show up at the time of the event, or within a specified amount of time. Not really legally allowable at this point, and pretty far into fantasy land. In London they allowed soldiers and volunteers to sit in seats that weren't currently occupied, under the understanding that they had to move if someone showed up. Actively selling two tickets to the same seat would be a nightmare.
  25. Cece, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with the advice that has been dispensed in the last few posts. My professional job is within the trading world, and I'm a ridiculous sports fan and go to pretty much all of the major events, so I have a good grasp on how tickets are traded and valued. I'm mainly putting this out there so that people have a more realistic view of some of the things mentioned here. 1) Hotel concierge: The hotel concierge can sometimes get tickets, but they'll be at the same price as from a ticket agency (really marked up), plus a service fee. The busboy isn't helping you out of the goodness of his heart, and he also doesn't have a magical ticket source for super high demand tickets. 2) Scalpers by the venue: These will be really marked up, and there's a chance you'll be buying counterfeit tickets. Things like the gymnastics finals are where the counterfeiters come out to play. Having gone to the World Cup, the Brazilian police at least make a nominal attempt to stop touts, so you won't find scalpers where you'll find police to keep things safe. For the World Cup final, they wouldn't even let you off at the Maracana stop unless you had a ticket. Also, mugging is rampant in Rio, so if people see you talking to scalpers by a big event, it'll be assumed you have a lot of money, and scalpers operate far from police presence. Bad situation in general. Your best option is to go to the venue and hold up a finger and hope someone has an extra, but the cops might not let you hang out in front of a high profile event. 3) Brazilian draw: Kavita says that "chances are high" if you enter the Brazilian draw. Your chances are marginally better, but the top tickets within the Brazilian draw still had 150-250 applications per available ticket (less than 1% chance). If you look at the anecdotal evidence from our Brazilian friends, most of them did worse than Americans did with CoSport. Corruption within Brazil is at a level where I'd assume the top tickets are funneled to fat cats. 4) Befriend someone on the team: Now Baron is taking a trip into fantasy land. You think that gymnasts don't have enough parasitic hangers on? So for the US Olympic team, each athlete is allotted a whopping TWO tickets per event they're competing in. This leads to a huge source of ticket demand, because while their parents might be covered, they've got siblings, other family, friends, etc trying to watch too. Athletes in the high demand events like Swimming and Gymnastics are in the desperately seeking mode, not the, "I've got extra tickets to give to random people on the internet" mode. He might as well have suggested that you try to qualify for the Olympic team, or finish med school by May to get a doctor's credential. 5) The theory that they'd resell no show tickets: This is again Baron living in fantasy land. In order for this to be remotely legal, it would've needed to be included in the terms and conditions upon selling tickets. For me personally, I see multiple events per day, so there are times when there is some overlap, so I arrive late to the second event. What I did see in London was that for some longer sessioned events, there were people at the door who would "check out" a ticket, which allowed someone to go in and occupy the vacated seat. I saw this in Wimbledon last time, and was told that all proceeds go to charity. That being said, pretty much no one is going to walk away from a two hour gymnastics session.
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