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  1. What "debating style"? They clearly have NONE. All they incessantly do around here is spam the same houlier-than-thou new-norm garbage over & over again. And heaven forbid that anyone disagrees with any of it. It's total characteristic of narcissism. All they're interested in is wrapping their tentacles around this website with their tripe (like a certain you-know-who has done with a certain political party) & suck the life right out of it. I really don't understand why anything hasn't been done by now with all the constant trolling & spamming that they do. I mean that sportlighting other GB's handle (what was it, team Blake) was limited in posting for their innocuous behavior (& I'd say that was/is much more tame than this case has been). Some type of similar action here already, at the very least, would seem to be warranted for the sake of these boards in general.
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  2. We couldn't have a logo comp in Iceland wihout hearing from this lot at some point: My favourite Icelandic musical export getting us going at the biggest (only) notable structure on Reykjavik's skyline, the Hallgrímskirkja! We were going to get Bjork on this until a little sailboat arrived at the docks earlier today...stopping off in the Icelandic capital on her way from Canada back to Sweden, please welcome Greta Thunberg! Greta: Greetings small dicks. I hope you are all suitably ashamed of flying here to Iceland on jets for nothing more than another blah blah blah - how dare you! Have you not seen how little ice there is?! In Iceland?! How Greenland is living up to its name? This is climate change. It's real, and it's happening. As you have asked me so nicely, and I have a short time before setting sail again, I might as well do this. The winner of the 16th getalife.com...I mean gamesbids.com Winter Olympic logo comp is... ...really? This one? Whaling is a stain on all who do it & is part of the destruction of our planet...still... BEAR! Yoshi: Thank you Greta. Your next job is to tell FIFA & their sponsors that climate change is very much real. Yes after just 2 rounds, we have our champion, the final result being A: 6. B: 0. C: 4. It's a small, but clearly evident majority, which of course means that @Bear will leave Iceland with their first ever logo comp title - congratulations! Thank you to all voters and those who submitted logos, especially beaten finalists @Scotguy II and @fatixxx. It's been great to see such interest, hopefully it stays high for the Nairobi comp! And of course, biggest thanks to @Sir Rols for the Greta pic, the grids, advising and generally being invaluable We will give a day for any stragglers to submit any very last-minute logos for Nairobi before the shortlist round begins on Tuesday. Until then, the Romanian ambassador has sent as much pizza as we want, and I've got one little thing to do... ...
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  3. omg i dont know what to say other than thank you all the entries this year were amazing, and I can't wait to vote in the Nairobi comp once it opens later this week!
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  4. Time for my next entry: REYKJAVIK 2034! The design features abstract figures of the gold aurora borealis (rays) and the blue mountains and icefields (pyramid-shaped crystal) to evoke the concept of converging fire (volcanoes, aurora borealis) and ice (glaciers, subarctic climate), elements characterizing Icelandic geography. Following are the applications:
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  5. I have to confess, I do get a bit of schadenfreude watching the debacle Bach ravels himself into - maybe he’ll retire early to foist the mess onto his successor. But it’s so typically Bach to play the fence sitter and still manage to piss off everyone in the process. He provokes the west into publically labelling him Russia’s pet, while his Moscow mates still accuse him of being a NATO puppet. Just let your balls drop Thomas, and you might actually be able to leave the job with some semblance of a legacy. Meanwhile, it’s the Olympic Council of Asia (OCA) who are emerging as the rogue mavericks of the Olympic movement. It’s them (and the AFC in football) that are playing kissy-kissy with Vlad now he’s found himself with no friends in Europe bar Lukashenkostan. And that shouldn’t be a surprise. It’s stuffed full of potential mates - China, Iran, the Stans - even Saudi Arabia, the “ally” the West is embarrassed to acknowledge and which only pays lip service to the West because it hates Iran more. And cash counts in the OCA - surely the only continental Olympic council where petro dollars can buy the Winter Asiad for the world’s most pre-eminent hot desert fiefdom. I’m glad Oz and NZ seem to have deleted the OCA off its Tinder contacts.
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  6. You know, you’re right. The west should also face greater scrutiny for some of it’s actions. But “whataboutism” is also no excuse to exonerate or let Russia off the hook for its transgressions. And even if we do try to confine grievances and sanctions purely to misdeeds in the sporting realm, Russia still acts unrepentant for it’s state-sponsored doping regime, and gives few signs it’s willing to commit to playing fair.
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  7. There was a Eurovision theme to the Reykjavik music. The national language of Kenya is Swahili. You might think Swahili has never been heard at Eurovision. You'd be wrong, this was robbed in the semis in 2011: Welcome to the place where the Olympic Stadium would be if this comp ever became real, the Moi International Sports Centre! Hopefully this is where the 2027 or 29 World Athletics Championships will finally arrive in Africa. For now though, we're unveiling our winner. And we have someone very special to do it. Taking time out from a UN summit to be with us for this, it's the 44th President of the USA and the world's most famous Kenyan, Barack Obama! Barack: Good evening friends. It is a huge honour to be here to launch the long-awaited & much overdue first Olympic Games in Africa. This is a part of the world where my wife & I have done a great deal of work on education & development, and so it is a great pride for me that this is the place for such a momentous... I NYOOOOOO IT! I TOLD YOU! I TOLD YOU! AH, THIS IS YUUUUUUGE SO YUUUUGE THE COVFEFE IS YUUUUGE THIS IS OFF THE CHART SO BIG SO BIG BIGGER THAN MY *bundled off stage by security* Barack: As I was saying before I was so rudely interrupted by The Thing - it is my pleasure to announce that the winner of the 16th gamesbids.com Summer Olympic logo comp is... GLACIB! Yoshi: Thank you Mr President, apologies for the interruption. It went the distance but we got there in the end, with the final result being A: 6. B: 7. In the last round, it went to the wire all the way to the very end, but that one vote margin means we do have an outright winner at last & that winner is @Glacib! Congrats on your second summer title in a row. Thank you to all entrants and voters, especially to @JDCLauronwho came so close. It has once again been wonderful to see such interest, both submission and voters - you've all made this comp successful despite the lack of Olympic interest Obviously, once again the biggest thanks go to the wombat king @Sir Rols for the grids, the Photoshop pics of Barack and Greta, part of the presidential intro tonight, the advice and generally you know, making it all possible. Congratulations to @Glacib & @Bear , our 2023 champions - if we do the 17th comp in the same way next winter, we will hopefully see you all again then. Until then, the comp sleeps tonight...
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  8. You deeply offended me. That’s all you need to know.
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  9. Excited for the contest, here are my official submission! The Nairobi logo is inspired by the plaid patterns often displayed on the traditional Maasai Shuka - a known and reognizeable symbol of the Maasai people. The logo represent 4 people coming together, representing both the community-centered Maasai culture and the Olympic values. The red color was chosen as it's the most common Shuka color, and it represents courage, bravery, strength and unity. The X formation is meant to assiciated the logo with the crossed spears and sheild from the Kenyan flag. The look of the games is using 4 different plaid textures that were created especially for the games. The Reykjavik logo is inspired by the Icelandic magical and unique nature - it's an abstract representation of a volcanic eruption in front of the cold nordic sky. The look of the games is continuing this theme, with the branding showcasing the Icelandic landscape in the logo's colors. The pictograms are inspired by old norse runes, to represent Iceland's history and its mystical culture. Good luck to everyone!
    3 points
  10. Now that Brisbane 2032 has it’s own sub-forum, it’s probably time to start populating it by moving some discussions to dedicated threads. So let’s start with the possible/probable centrepiece of the games - the Gabba. While it’s still expected to be the main games aand ceremonies stadium, and it seemed all sewn up, at the present, it’s status is not totally secure:
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  11. kristy coventry's wikipedia page reads like a true IOC president.
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  12. And Kamila is delighted… Valieva "satisfied" with RUSADA ruling on doping charge
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  13. Congratulations Glacib! So well deserved. And phew! That was a close one. Yoshi and I were discussing the possibility of him having to make a tiebreak decision this morning. You sure put up a good fight JDC. And a huge thanks to @yoshi! A great, truly vintage comp this year. This was the first for a few years that really engaged me the whole way through - I had great fun. Your pre-comp poll for the cities idea was an inspired anticipation builder. And at the end it had it all - great logos, some close votes and surprise results, krow. The only thing missing was a voting scandal… maybe next time. That’s gonna be a tough act to follow. Don’t know what we’re gonna do on the board the rest of the year.
    2 points
  14. Just in. IOC EB meetings in first half of 2023: 15 Feb 2023 (dates TBC) Mar 28-30 (dates TBC) Jun. 21-23 (dates TBC)
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  15. The lack of snow in Beijing (Zhangjiakou) had more to do with being too dry than too warm.
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  16. Well. I think they may have Borjomi to host in case Sapporo and Salt Lake City bids for 2034.
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  17. https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2023/01/14/nbc-olympics-logo-2024-paris-games/
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  18. Toto, I know this isn't Kansas, but where are we exactly? Ah, good to know...although you do know Africa is quite big? We are in the place next to where all that Serengeti rain eventually ends up - by the Indian Ocean in the other Kenyan city the tourists have heard of - Mombasa! The resorts around Mombasa can be so luxurious, even Tommy might be satisfied with holding a vote here. It's certainly good enough for us - so let's see what we're voting on with the Round 1 results: A: 9. B: 2. C: 1. D: 11. E: 3. F: 8. G: 3. H: 8. Four clearly at the bottom, four clearly in the hunt - you're very thoughtful Sadly it does mean four logos have to go so it's goodbye to @Scotguy II @Victorian @Sir Rols & @PikyoK. Thank you and better luck next year. For the rest of you, welcome to Round 2! We are now in the exhaustive ballot stage, which means the rules are slightly different: This voting round will be open for (approximately) 48 hours - it will close at 10pm UK time, Saturday 14 January. Voting will now be conducted in rounds until one entry has an absolute majority and is declared the winner. In this and following rounds, the logo with the lowest number of votes will be eliminated at the close of the poll. Vote in the poll for your favourite logo. You have ONE vote, so make it count. Your vote is public and can be seen by all. Entrants MAY vote for their own logo. For transparency, I will not vote unless required to break a tie. Votes are valid if cast by members of GamesBids as of January 1 2023 with a bona fide posting record. I will rule on the validity of any suspicious or disputed votes, or who constitutes a bona fide voting member. I will not vote in this, or any subsequent rounds. However, if a tie-breaker vote is needed, I will reserve my right to vote in order to break it. Be fair and sportsmanlike, this is meant to be fun and the entrants all deserve RESPECT. We will see each other again on Saturday, either for Round 3 or a winner. Until then, good luck, and may the best logo win!
    2 points
  19. i literally cannot with this man. by shaping his tribute quote around his own accomplishment, he's making a calculated bet that news orgs will have to contextualize it by explaining that he is a gold medalist in fencing, 1976. i ASPIRE to this level of god-tier ego. truly the only renewable energy source on earth.
    2 points
  20. I think A is very good but that font should have been reconsidered. Keep it simple.
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  21. Kazakhstan is actually possible, IMO. They are currently trying to diversify their foreign partnerships and move out of Russia's "sphere of influence" to get better relations with Europe and China. (See the Trans-Caspian Gas Pipeline, cooperating with China's "New Silk Road" projects, security guarantee from China in addition to the CSTO, etc.) A winter Olympics would be a good way to publicly show to the whole world that Kazakhstan is an independent player on the world stage instead of a Russian vassal. And for the same reasons it would be really difficult for the governments of the EU and USA to push Kazakhstan on human rights at the present moment.
    2 points
  22. That was possibly/probably in jest, but it’s not that far off the hard truth. All the fiddling with the peripherals - tweaking the selection bureaucratic process, trying to achieve “no losers”, making gestures towards the climate crisis - is still not drawing anybody to want to host the winter games and ignoring the central and obvious reason cities and countries are running scared of them: the IOC has let them grow to become a monster that’s become far too expensive to stage with a cost benefit that’s increasingly not worth it. Once upon a time, not too very long ago, these were the modest games that could be staged in small towns and existing resorts comfortably - Lake Placid, St Moritz, Cortina, Albertville, Lillehammer etc. Now, they require a major metropolis with a requirement for a mountain zone thats starting to need to be located, by geography and necessity, further and further away from the centre. They’re adding sports right left and centre, and unlike the summer games, not trying to offset that by cuts in other disciplines. Most of the facilities are prohibitively expensive to build and to maintain, and most of the sports are more for elitist and well-off enthusiasts rather than grass root participants (unless perhaps you’re a Scandinavian or Canadian). Somethings gotta give. They have to trim the games, dramatically, rather than tinker at the peripherals. But of course that’s the last thing the IOC, or probably even many of us, want to hear. And, yes, I know that’s easier said than done. It would be difficult to get rid of traditional blue riband events like the downhill or cross country (which is actually one of the few true “grass roots” alpine events). And to turn back away from the newer “sexy” sports - freestyles, boarding, ski and board cross etc - would be ceding that all important younger generation of viewers and participants to the X Games and their ilk (which is why the IOC started adding them in the fist place). But these aren’t modest gams anymore - they’re Taj Mahals for big cities and nearish-by exclusive resort playgrounds for the rich. No wonder taxpayers aren’t keen on hosting them anymore!
    2 points
  23. Iceland...Iceland...Ice...cold...brr...wait, what? It might be named after ice, but Iceland actually has more claim than Azerbaijan to be the land of fire! This unpronounceable volcano sneezed in 2010, briefly becoming Europe's least popular thing. Luckily it's much calmer now... ...which means we can hold a vote here! It's Round 2, but not before we see what you said in Round 1: A: 9. B: 5. C: 2. D: 7. E: 3. F: 4. G: 4. H: 4. We therefore can't eliminate exactly four, totes awks. That 3-way tie means we can either eliminate 2, leaving 6, or eliminate 5 to leave 3. After consultation, it's clear the latter is closer to the intended 4/4 split, so that is what we will do to avoid a tiebreak or runoff. Which means we sadly say goodbye to @Victorian @Sir Rols @PikyoK @JDCLauron & @Glacib. Thank you, and better luck in Africa For the other 3, welcome to Round 2! We are now in the exhaustive ballot stage, which means the rules are slightly different: This voting round will be open for (approximately) 48 hours - it will close at 10pm UK time, Saturday 7 January. Voting will now be conducted in rounds until one entry has an absolute majority and is declared the winner. In this and following rounds, the logo with the lowest number of votes will be eliminated at the close of the poll. Vote in the poll for your favourite logo. You have ONE vote, so make it count. Your vote is public and can be seen by all. Entrants MAY vote for their own logo. For transparency, I will not vote unless required to break a tie. Votes are valid if cast by members of GamesBids as of January 1 2023 with a bona fide posting record. I will rule on the validity of any suspicious or disputed votes, or who constitutes a bona fide voting member. I will not vote in this, or any subsequent rounds. However, if a tie-breaker vote is needed, I will reserve my right to vote in order to break it. Be fair and sportsmanlike, this is meant to be fun and the entrants all deserve RESPECT. We will see each other again on Saturday, either for Round 3 or a winner. Until then, good luck, and may the best logo win!
    2 points
  24. Assuming warming is limited to the 1.5 degree goal the UN is shooting for, the riskiest locations on that list are Grenoble and Turin - which are cities rather than the actual snow venues, and Sochi - which was always a risk by the Russkis to build their snow resort in one of the most temperate zones in the entire country. But even that’s simplistic - the temperatures are only one factor. It also needs to be seen how weather patterns and cycles are impacted, and what that does to snowfalls in the long term. I still am sceptical that even the best climate scientists can reach consensus in the 2020s about predictable snow patterns in the 2050s and beyond.
    2 points
  25. WHO would have though the IOC has ALWAYS chosen cold places for the winter games??? My mind is blown! So if it’s not climate, why else does nobody want to pay for them host them???
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  26. I don’t see a “Germanic zone” as outlandish or unwieldy, or at least any more than an Espace-Mt Blanc zone. In fact, it’s these sorts of proposals there are the only way for the “permanent rotation” proposal to work without losing the notion of the universality of the winter games as something for different and new locations to strive towards. The way I see it, if the IOC are dead focussed on designating their alpine venues for all times, it needs to be something like: a few “zones” in Europe - say, Espace-Mt Blanc, a Tyrol-Bavaria zone and perhaps a Nordic Zone (Norwegian Alps, Åre); a zone in the Canadian Rockies and one in the US Rockies; and a few zones in Asia - say, Hokkaido and (shudder) Zhangjiakou. And then future Olympiads just need to put forward the anchor city for the indoor and ice events and ceremonies to brand those games - Lyon, Geneva, Munich, Innsbruck, Oslo, Stockholm, Vancouver, Calgary, SLC, Denver, Sapporo, Bei… etc. It gives a reliability/certainty for snow events while still offering the scope for variety and universality in branding those games. Yes, there are the political headaches to wrangle out, and I still think the athlete’s village requirement needing to be permanently maintained is a problem, but those are things that ned t be sorted out anyway if the IOC is determined that the 2020s is the best time to choose alpine hosts for the 2070s and beyond.
    2 points
  27. Absolutely and so does Coates. Both of them are directly responsible for the the fact that only SLC is ready to go for the 2030 WOGs.
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  28. Quoting yourself to agree with yourself surely constitutes spamming and trolling, and perfectly illustrates a particular criticism of your debating style
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  29. Bang on. Jihad was apt - so would be a comparison with the thinking of a member of the Nazi Youth or a far left or right radical. Australian Fan does have a fanatical fixation with defending the IOC's new directions and drowning out any other opinion. People, whether Members of Parliament or members of the public, are encouraged to report possible Fixated Persons to their local police station, 131 444 or anonymously through Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.
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  30. Even Chamonix officials cited that they were focusing more on things like climate initiatives, rather than on some Olympic project. There are actually more important things to be worried about in this world right now, than some three-week winter-sports festival, to the dismay of perhaps the IOC (& even as much as some of us here like to gush with joy over it).
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  31. The French are very busy right now in trying to deliver a successful Paris 2024. Can't see another Olympic endeavor from them until at least Paris 2024 is in the rear-view mirror, & if mostly goes off without a hitch. So that means 2034 at the earliest for France. The IOC might very well have to at this point, as you like to say, pull that SLC rip-cord if they want to have a 2030 host at all.
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  32. Stunning how an Australian lectures an American about being far away from Canada and not knowing what he‘s talking about.
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  33. I have NOT denigrated your race, your sex, your sexuality, your social status, your occupation, your nationality, your physical features, your intellect, your religion or any other form of identity. I have characterised your conduct in a discussion as akin to that of a religious zealot defending their holy texts. I think the comparison is apt. Your reaction has been out of all proportion. So much so, that I can’t help but suspect it’s manufactured. That you’re triggered more by my existence on the board more than anything I said. The alternative explanation is concerning and bizarre. You’re embarrassing yourself with this latest tantrum.
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  34. Before I add my suggestion for the winter games rotation I want to share my view about the new norm. I can't understand why some people are so fiercely against any new ideas that are out of the box such as the new norm bidding process and the winter olympics hosts rotation pool. they just believe in the old system and think it should continue regardless of its deficiencies and problems. first let's go back to 2013 when Bach was elected as president. he inherited a heavy legacy from Rogge when giving major sports events to new frontiers was a trend. the first challenge he faced was the 2022 bidding process which started at the end of Rogge era. at the time and for the next decade the IOC faced a lot of challenges that are unnecessary unwanted and unneeded. Corruption, Construction of new venues, environmental challenges, and a lot of critical reactions from governments and NGOs about human rights situation in some of the host countries. the IOC is a sports organization and such challenges drove them away from their main purpose. here where the new norm agenda comes to the surface. Bach, Coates, Samaranch Jr, Dubi and others worked to produce a new bidding process that eliminate the possibility of selecting a "challenging" hosts and making sure that the IOC leadership select the safest possible host in every cycle they got tired of journalists asking them about human rights, environmental issues, political issues. NGOs accuse them of corruption and condemning the way they choose a host, government officials refusing to attend the games, and the worst NOCs and athletes threatening to boycott the olympics. and in some instances they had to follow and supervise a lot of new construction projects that were necessary for a successful delivery of the games. some of the projects were delayed, others weren't ready before the games, and others (Sochi 2014) had corruption issues with the Russian government and construction companies contracts. all that plus a lot of white elephants in many cities after the games. as aforementioned the IOC is an international sports organization that has no authority over governments and they can't change policies or intervene in any local issues or any government foreign policies but they can choose who host their events. the olympics that they had more problems with and had the most challenges Sochi 2014, Rio 2016, Beijing 2022 were elected democratically by the majority of the IOC members. to limit the risk that changed and now it's in the hand of the IOC EB to avoid any problems by choosing the safest candidates. the legacy of these policies will be seen in the near future like Vancouver 2010 and London 2012 the focus in the lead up, during, and after Paris 2024/ Milano-Cortina 2026/ LA 2028/ Brisbane 2032 will be on sports and athletes without any unrelated issues intervention as it should be in such events. that is my understanding of the the new norm and what Bach and the other leaders in the IOC wants. I'm personally not fond for this new reality and much less enthusiast for the next few hosts France, Italy, the US, Australia hosts many sports events in almost all summer sports regularly and in many sports like Tennis, Cycling, Athletics, Motorsports ..etc annually. so they are well known for the average sports followers unlike when some event held in a new lands especially a world championships or an Olympics which get much more attention so people get excited to see a different culture and environment. -------- There is a new reality facing the IOC it's not any more about who convince the majority of the IOC members that their bid is the best. the merit of the bid is the priority not only technically but also regarding the environment, human rights, political aspects and the international relations of the bidding country/countries. and that includes avoiding any unwanted drama that could spoil the party so everything goes well in a peaceful way by focusing on sports, competitions, athletes and other cultural events held during the games. so the new norm is about the quality not quantity. as PR campaign they may show how many nations are interested to host the olympics to show how it's still a lucrative business but they know well that only the safest selected few will host it in the end. I focused on the unannounced reason that led to the new norm agenda that has long negative impact on the games which start when the IOC announce the host and last many years even decades after the games ends. I agree with the IOC regarding the bidding process time problems such as the public and private money wasted for more than two years of marketing and promotion during the bid campaign and the waste of time and effort of many people involved in a failed bid while they can use this time to do more impactful work that has long lasting impact in other aspects of their life. people around the world are becoming more aware that money wasted on such bid campaigns can be used much more wisely and have a much better impact in many aspects of life instead. some people argue that bid campaigns have their merits and benefits but I personally tend to the other opinion that the cons overwhelm the pros and that the wasted money,time and effort can't be overlooked. now let's go back to the selection of the last few Olympics in the Bach era. first the 2022 bidding process when they were left with Beijing and Almaty. the old bidding process was rigid and not flexible so they could not extend it or open it again for any new bidders and they were obliged to select a host in their 2015 session. so they could not try to start a negotiation with any other suitable and ready city ( ex. SLC or Vancouver) to rescue them from the Beijing vs Almaty dilemma after Oslo withdrew. also the evaluation was pure technical and doesn't take environmental, social and political aspects into consideration. so they could not reject Beijing and Almaty because of human rights concerns or Krakow because of the LGBT situation in Poland. this could apply also to countries that have other issues for example they couldn't tell India, Indonesia, brazil and others that their priority should be on social issues like poverty, inequality, helping their citizens in many natural disasters they face regularly, building basic infrastructure related to Healthcare, Education and Transportation, provide jobs and homes for many citizens in need ..etc instead of spending billions on the Olympic two weeks party as their leading politicians wants. this could trigger a backlash from these countries on how politics should not intervene in sports. but in such global events the IOC knew that the reality is different and spotlight would be on these issues in the lead up and during the games. and many other governments officials,NGOs and media will blame the IOC even if their event has nothing to do with these problems. so how not to blatantly reject bids from such countries? what they are doing is either tell them that behind closed doors or just ignore them as they did for 2032 the IOC is an international sports organization they can not adopt any political views or support some countries/organizations against others and need to have a good relations with all of it's NOC members in the name of sports. so when they reject a good bid technically because of social or political issues they prefer it to be behind closed doors or indirectly instead of the face to face way. for 2024 looks like they wanted Paris/France to host a summer olympics after a 100 years. it's just the time to host the olympics again in Baron Pierre hometown and the birthplace of the modern olympic movement and it seems that Bach is fond of Paris/France. for 2028 it's USA time. the US is a main partner for the IOC and maintaining the popularity,viewership and sponsorship by hosting the games there from time to time is a priority. requesting an excellent bid ( in the IOC eyes) coming in a perfect time to wait to enter a new separate bidding process would be time wasting because LA would be the favorite anyway. 2026 was a miracle, let's remember how it happened. when Rome 2024 withdrew their bid because then mayor Virginia Raggi didn't support it. mayor of Milan Giuseppe Sala stepped in and offered his city to replace Rome in the bid for 2024 and we all know that was not possible under the old bidding process. in the next few months Giovanni Malago (CONI president and IOC member) and Sala tried to partner with northern Italy regions Piedmont, Lombardy and Veneto to make a bid for the 2026 games. first it was to be called Alpi 2026 (Southern Alps/Northern Italy). but then Piedmont withdrew so the new idea of Milano Cortina 2026 was born less than a year before the 2019 IOC session when the IOC were in a dire situation seeing other candidates dropping like flies. Malago and Sala along with Attilio Fontana President of Lombardy, Luca Zaia President of Venteo and then mayor of Cortina d'Ampezzo led the new effort with other regions and cities in northern Italy. the idea of the opening ceremony in San Siro and the closing in Verona Arena (which they included in their bid book) was a sign of this collaboration between the two regions of Lombardy and Veneto that made this bid possible and later the games a reality. like the Paris 2024 bid it was led by politicians benefiting from that referendums on such matters isn't part of Italy's political culture unlike their northern neighbours. for 2032 there were many undesirable candidates for the reasons aforementioned. the best on the table were Australia and Germany and we all know that the IOC doesn't like to be under the mercy of the Germans and their binding referendums. so why wait for years to know if the germans will eventually make an official bid or not and if any other serious and credible bid would come later when they have Brisbane. regardless of the role John Coates played for them. Brisbane 2032 was an example of the safe and perfect bid that the IOC wants at this stage. technically viable, supported by Brisbane, Queensland and the Federal Government and it looks like the majority of Australians are either supporting or neutral towards the games. with low to medium ecological, social, and political risk in the long term. this is Bach policy, just award it to the safest and most credible candidate that won't lead you to controversies in the lead up and during the games and the earlier the better. ----------------- for 2030 and 2034. in Sapporo the idea to bid for the games again started after Tokyo won the right to host 2020 and Beijing 2022. since Sapporo has the capacity to host any time I don't know what is their reason to target 2026/2030. do they think it's time for Japan to host the winter games after Tokyo 2020 or because their neighbors Korea and China hosted recently they think it's their turn now. Katsuhiro Akimoto was elected mayor of Sapporo in 2015 just a few months before Beijing was chosen as the 2022 host. Sapporo was preparing to host the 2017 Asian Winter Games, later during that games Akimoto declared that Sapporo would bid to host the 2026 winter olympics then they withdrew that bid and started the current 2030 effort. it's a political initiative that is supported by businesses and it seems that they are still struggling to convince the general public. they have the most suitable city to host a winter olympics so if not 2030 they can host any time later so I think they could host it 3 or 4 times from now till 2100. for the Vancouver 2030 last minute effort that is indigenous-led. maybe it's from local or Canadian perspective the First Nation idea is something good or different in some way. but I'm not convinced about what is the relation between a global sports event like the winter olympics and the reconciliation between the Canadian Government and the First Nations of Canada/British Columbia? it's a local issue that has nothing to do with a global sports event that is for the whole world with athletes and delegations from more than 100 nations that have different cultures and histories. what's the relation between winter sports and athletes and the Canadian reconciliation effort ? they are not part of the Canadian history and have nothing to do with what happened during the last few centuries in Canada and the relation between early European colonizers and the later worldwide immigration after Canada became an independent country and the First Nations. the past can't be changed and the land won't return to the indigenous nations and tribes, better to showcase the new immigrant nation diversity and thats includes the indigenous people. for the the reconciliation efforts they can use many local cultural event or a Canadian Games with a focus on what is known today as Canada from the earliest human settlement and First Nations earlier culture and accomplishments and their later interaction with the Europeans and other newcomers. for such First Nation initiative a Pan American Games could be better suited since most American Nations have a similar history and are all mix of the first settlers (indigenous people), Europeans who discovered these lands and settled around 600 years ago and later immigrants from all over the world who came later after the independence of the American nation states. now we reach Salt Lake City. similar to Sapporo the bid is led by politicians and businesses and supported by Utah Governor Spencer Cox and SLC Mayor Erin Mendenhall but unlike Sapporo it's popular and supported by locals, Utahns, and Americans. it seems that there is some opposition but it's not big enough to challenge the bid. since we know the conflict with LA 2028 and the possible sponsorship loses if SLC host the 2030 games so the USOC prefers 2034 it has been always the question of double award. if it was any other candidate I wouldn't see a reason for a double award, it's more about when North America would host again. the US a main partner and participant and where winter sports is popular and have history didn't host for a while and by 2034 it would be 32 years since they last hosted. also it would be 24 years since Vancouver hosted, so when will the winter games go back to North America? when Bach said that they will award 2030 alone ( assuming it will go to Sapporo) I wondered why would they keep SLC waiting till 2027 session or at least till the Milano-Cortina games after the election of the new president. what will the SLC-Utah bid committee do until then? why not just award it to them now or reject them if they want someone else? Bach policy during his tenure is clear. the games will always be awarded to the safest and most credible bid whenever that bid come. some people add China to the possible Olympic hosts list in the near future because understandably they are technically capable. but seeing how things changed in the last decade and how social and environmental issues, human rights and international relations become more prominent and given a lot of spotlight in the lead up and during the games also knowing that Bach and his colleagues didn't want Beijing for the 2022 games but the rigid old bidding process forced it on them I think it will take long time before they have a new chance and that's depends on either regime change in China or new IOC leadership that has different views on such issues. I think the problems the IOC faced with Sochi 2014 and Beijing 2022 were some of the main drivers for the emergence of the new norm agenda such as the flexible and open dialogue which allow them to wait until a good candidate come and give them a chance to initiate a dialogue with any city they prefer at any time if all of the candidates don't meet the expectations and the transfer of power to selecting host cities from the IOC members to their Executive Board. so if they continue with Bach policy the only possible hosts in the foreseeable future are cities and regions in Western Europe, the US and Canada, New Zealand and Australia, Japan and South Korea. and that will continue until a new leadership are ready to host anywhere else in the world and be brave enough to face controversies and criticisms. ------------------
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  35. Not that I feel designers play a large role in my life normally, but Vivienne was instrumental in the punk and post-punk aesthetics I aspired to and identified most with in my youthful times. And I’d argue, those aesthetics have gone on to influence much in modern theatrical and performance stylings, including the Oly OCs, so I would say she’s made a mark on fashion and popular culture more than most of her milieu. it all comes down to taste, but personally give me Westwood over vulgar Versace or logo-obsessed Louis Vuitton or Gucci any day. Meanwhile, I wonder what Pelé wore?
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  36. The news of Pele's passing was, frankly, not unexpected when it broke this evening (UK time), particularly given the concerns that were raised for his health during the World Cup. But that does not lessen the sense of loss that will be felt, not simply by his family and the people of Brazil more broadly, but right around the world. In an age when global impact can be almost instantaneous, he was probably the first global superstar of sport and his impact on the world was based not simply on his ability and his achievements but also enhanced by a style that few, if any, could have matched. When his great rival for the accolade of greatest player of all time, Diego Maradona, died a couple of years ago, Pele wrote that the two of them would one day play soccer in the sky. That day has now come. But as we mourn his passing and offer condolences to our Brazilian friends, we should celebrate a legacy the kind of which very few people can leave behind when they depart this world. Farewell legend.
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  37. I was glad when Japan abandoned that monstrosity by Zaha Hadid.
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  38. Hi @GBModerator, I think you made a lot of people happy by finally creating dedicated sub-forums for upcoming games such as LA and Brisbane. On behalf of all, thank you heaps! just two little glitches (that I’ve noticed so far). The sub-forum you created for Gangwon 2024 is actually titled Gangwon 2020. And the section for ticketing and accommodation in the Brisbane sub-forum is titled Brisbane 2028. Both minor things, but hopefully easy to fix.
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  39. The important questions, however, are: How far part should the flagpoles be, and should the anthems be sung by choirs?
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  40. Anyway… Whoa! That was a surprise to see Davey/Aussie Bum out! I may have been voting elsewhere, but in he back of my mind I was always half expecting him to win, and I would have been more than happy to see it do so - it’s a Davey Podmore! With animals! Sorry to se you go and miss out on your third star. That said, I think it is fitting that’s it’s now down to one of the indigenous-design inspired logos. Good luck! This has been a good, close, suspenseful comp. It’s still either’s for the taking. And for the last time, do please try and promote the vote, and change any links you’re posting to this thread.
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  41. I can't really recall that. At least not here on GB's anyway. Many forumers then were all up in arms over the decision, that they couldn't understand it at all. If anything, it was more of a complete surprise, since Sochi had to practically build everything from scratch (the exact same Sochi that also was cut from the 2002 short-list), vs Salzburg's low-cost & ready-to-go bid, & then PyeongChang viewed as the favorite after narrowly losing to Vancouver for the 2010 winter Games (not to mention Salzburg also losing out to 2010). That the IOC was more impressed with the typical "brand-new, flashy-ness than on substance". But of course, that was indeed par-for-the-course for the IOC back then. And I still maintain that if they could go back to those 'give us everything you got, including the kitchen sink' bid days, that they would do it in an Olympic-second. And all this "new-norm, climate initiative" rhetoric is nothing but hot air.
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  42. Oh. Okay. I didn't expect that. I thought it was gonna be my design, but this one that was launched with the help from celebrity Paris Hilton was the choice. It is kind of inspired by French Art Nouveau letterforms. But that's a good design. It's not much like the NBC Tokyo 2020 logo.
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  43. i think i must have been really drunk when i started all this drama because i just skimmed this thread and i honestly don't remember any of it. i'm sorry for calling australia fan autistic because that was mean and the truth is i don't care at all, so it was a mistake to write a post pretending i did. PS i'm doing 'dry january' which has made me so bored i've started posting on GB again.
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  44. I have been to Almaty- its a fantastic city, and Kazakhstan is a huge and rich country. They would host a great Games. But as we say, it is not a A+ risk free choice.
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  45. Nah. The IOC won't want to lose one stream of income. Besides, adding them to the SOG would eat up all availalbe indoor arenas. Also, bad mix of summer and winter sponsors.
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  46. Considering Europe this year is having their warmest January on record, wouldn't that already negate the 10-year minimum snow venue temperature rule. I'd say it does. That's why I would agree that anything more than a double-allocation at this point is not that practical. Too many other considerations, aside from the climate one, to manage such a complex permanent roster. As things stand now, we're already going into repeat-host territory. There aren't too many other virgin Winter Olympic territories left that are that viable anyway for the IOC to grasp on a permanent basis with.
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  47. Here's my best guess. Climate and broadcasting considerations aside, it's probably the sweet spot for each sport's respective world cup season. Not too late that they can't wrap things up with some events afterwards. Not too early that it's in the middle of the season. Plus it gives some time to hype things up after Christmas and New Year's. It sure is, which is why NBC and previous Olympic broadcasters are more than happy for the Olympics to be exactly where they are. To delve further into the Super Bowl issues that you and @Bearwere mentioning.. NBC had the 2018 Super Bowl, which was the Sunday before the opening ceremony in PyeongChang. They were thrilled to have both events so close together and they actually traded Super Bowl years with CBS so they could get the 2022 game. The interesting thing there is that the game was originally scheduled for February 6th, which would have been the first Sunday of the Beijing games, which were a week earlier than normal. However, the NFL decided to add a week to the schedule, going from 16 regular season games to 17. So that pushed the Super Bowl back to February 13th. That only happened in March of 2021. And yes, there were a couple of changes to the Olympic schedule as a result to accommodate the new Super Bowl date (I believe 1 of the morning figure skating sessions got moved so it could air after the Super Bowl) New TV contracts for the NFL come into play next year and instead of 3 networks rotating who has the Super Bowl (CBS, NBC, Fox), now ABC is back into the mix so it will rotate every 4 years. Almost certainly by design, that gives NBC the Super Bowl in 2026, 2030, and 2034 to line up with Winter Olympic years (rights to the 2034 Olympics have yet to be awarded, so those don't belong to NBC just yet). The 2026 Super Bowl is scheduled to be played on February 8th, so that would be the first Sunday of the Milano-Cortina games. Will be interested to see what happened when Salt Lake gets their games, whether that's 2030 or 2034. I can't imagine the NFL will change their plans to accommodate the Olympics (although it's very possible in the future they add yet another regular season game pushing the Super Bowl later into February), so the SLC games may have to work around that. So, short answer to your question.. NFL schedules will likely dictate the preferences of US television, especially for a games held in the United States. For Olympics held elsewhere, more likely they'll just have to manage that conflict and it'll be on NBC to make it work. Should be noted that on Super Bowl Sunday last year, NBC had coverage in the morning, but nothing in the afternoon until after the game. Not surprisingly, that was the most watched night of the Olympics for NBC in what was otherwise a very poorly rated Olympics
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