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  1. 4 points
    Okay @Tulsa, are you almost over your two week, sour grapes tantrum? It’s been quite childish at times but, hey, if that’s what floats your boat, and it has added to the board activity, so I guess it’s been worthwhile in your mind, even if I doubt it’s changed even one person’s opinions. To address your original proposition - no, these have not been the worst WOGs in history, you’ll be disappointed to hear (if not accept). In all, they’ve been pretty good, well organised, lacking in major scandals, engendered a bit of positive and hopeful news out of the Korean Peninsula after a year of anything but, been more focussed on the events rather than extraneous issues and at the end more positive in spirit than many. Was it one of he best ever? Well, that’s always going to be a subjective call. Myself, I’d rate them as modesty successful but no Lillehammer (I guess I’ve just preculuded my post in the “verdict on the games” thread). Others may/will have differing opinions. Anyway, you’ve been hung up on this notion that certain countries, notably Korea and China, just aren’t fit to host a winter games and should never be given that honour. What utter arrogant bullish!t! The games belong to the world, and anyone with the means and sheer physical and geographic capability are entitled to host. They do not belong to a select group of “approved” countries. The WOGs themselves are already constrained to a smaller pool of possible hosts because of geographical and climatic requirements. But to follow your logic, that pool should be made even smaller to suit your offensively patronising cultural prerequisites. Yes, traditional winter sports countries in North America and Europe will always make good winter games hosts - and they will continue to do so for the lion’s share of WOGs in the future. But it’s important, even essential, that the less traditional locals - the Koreas and Chinas - also get their chance at times too. They need to be able to have the chance to embrace the Olympic spirit, to be exposed to the winter sports, to be given the chance to show off their societies and landscapes and hopefully be inspired to get more enthused by winter sports. And the WOGs can indeed achieve this - Japan really wasn’t a traditional winter sports country before its first WOGs, but now I see in recent posts of yours that it’s been promoted to your personal “WOG-worthy” club. It’s similar to the summer games - i would be easy to jut spread them around a small selection of advanced and venue-rich cities and nations (*cough, cough, Paris and LA) and never venture away from them ever. And, yes, there’s a legitimate debate to be had over the merits and social responsibility of less-developed and affluent cities and countries, like Rio or somewhere in Africa, hosting such an expensive extravaganza, but at the end of the day it is important and essential that they are allowed or even encouraged to share the spirit of the Olympics by hosting when their circumstances responsibly permit them. To specifically address some of your recurrent “points” of the past fortnight. Let’s take audience crowds. Okay, yeah, there were empty seats at times and not everything was packed to capacity or bursting. But that happens at EVERY games, even the most successful ones, and in winter games, even in your beloved and winter sports successful approved Western European host cities. There’s a lot of reasons why his is so - sponsor seats not being taken up, prices, travel costs etc. But there also were large contingents of enthused and respectful locals at many events, particularly those that they hold dear or had good chances in (and that’s natural, and again to be expected of any hosts). There were also decent numbers and contingents of spectators from around the world coming in to cheer their teams. And as was mentioned in other threads as well, while large crowds certainly can lift a good games to something truly special, at the end of the day it’s not the priority issue to decide on the success of a games or not. Particularly when for the overwhelming bulk of the world’s population, the games are experienced through television. The Koreans embrace of the games was average, but certainly not dire and certainly not games-wrecking. And onto climate. You’ve been railing against fake snow an barren landscape. What I saw on screen was constant mention of extreme cold and good snow cover of the venues amidst attractive wintry landscapes around. The biggest problem was a bit of wind in the first week disrupting some events. All games, and particularly the winter games, are hostage to the weather. PyeongChang wasn’t the first to use, or even the most drastically in need of using, artificial snow. Some of your beloved approved tradional hosts have had far more problems with their snow cover. In all, PyeongChang had far less snow and weather issues than many previous winter hosts. When the campaign to choose the 2018 host was in full swing I was firmly, for personal and emotional reasons, hoping for Munich. But that was not to be - que sera sera. I’m glad now, and think it was good an important, that they chose PyeongChang. For all the reasons mentioned above, I think it was essential that the IOC spread the winter games beyond the NA-Europe winter sports insider’s club. Maybe, to make a tidier list of host cities, it could have been four years earlier or four years later, bu it definitely had to happen. And Korea certainly didn’t drop the ball (or puck or whatever). Anyway, I guess for you it’s back to four years grumbling bitterly under your rock. Have fun. See you in Beijing 2022, I guess, for Round 2 of your dummy spit.
  2. 3 points
    Dear Tulsa - Hello from Gangneung, South Korea. As you know I am a fellow Frenchman. I will not rate Games from worst to best. I have been to six of them. All I can provide is a personnal feeling, among the six I attended, the ones I enjoyed the least are the Torino 2006 Games. The attendance to the alpine venues where I went was low, and the big city was engulfing the Olympic feeling of the Games. Does not mean they were better or worse, just a personal impression, and comparison to my previous visit to SLC. I have also to break some news to you : Albertville 92 Games were not among my best experiences either. In Albertville, I attended the Games from OC to CC, being there for sixteen days, going to up to three events a day, more than 30 events total, including all figure skating events but one. The Ceremonies were great, real breakthrough ones, but the too spread out venue plan was a logistics nightmare and removed some of the Olympic feeling by being too diluted through the Tarentaise. My best experience - no surprise there - is Lillehammer 94, you can't beat the Norwegian Games for the mood. And by the way Lillehammer was as cold or even colder than PC. I was at the 50 km and I still feel cold thinking of it. I would put PyeongChang on par with SLC in my memories. Contrary to your statement, the ten events where I went (hockey, alpine skiing, nordic skiing, bobsled, figure skating, speed skating, short track) were packed except for the best seats Here is why. I made the point for Sochi, one of the issues at the Olympics is that the best seats, reserved for Olympic family, TOP sponsors, athletes, etc are often empty, and since these are the best seats, they are more conspicuous on the broadcast. The Olympic park in Gangneung was smaller than Sochi's and was nicely crowded. Long queues at each pavilion of the sponsors showcases. I can not give enough praise to the wonderful PyeongChang volunteers ; the quality of the brand new facilities and of the venues is great - and there was snow. And free Wifi in each venue or ice rink. The compact venue plan made it easy to watch multiple events on the same day, even if you switch from Alpensia to Gangneung. You can't beat the KTX which takes you between the stations of both clusters in about 20 mn at high speed and for about 6000 wons in comfortable seats. Regarding Sochi, wonderful experience overall for me, great organisation and venues. It is only the context which makes these Games feel "Bad".
  3. 2 points
    Very well said. I have been pleasantly surprised at how well the Games in Pyeongchang have turned out. I can already see a generation being inspired after the many achievements made by Team Korea at home, and given the next Winter Games being coincidentally so close, that will hopefully aide in even more Olympic spirit within the Korea peninsula. I am particularly happy that Korea won a gold in a sliding sport, because that sliding track, which was doomed a white elephant at the start of the Games, may now be able to become a world-class training facility for the likely-growing sliding sports within the country. The same goes for curling. And like you said, Koreans not attending a hockey game between Germany and Canada is the same as the Americans not attending a Biathlon event with all European contenders in a US Olympics. I think it's really important to look back 10-15 years later at a country after hosting, and see how it affected them long term over the short term benefits they saw in the year directly after the Games. Remember, Barcelona 1992 didn't look too good directly after the Games after not bringing in as much money as hoped, but given the vast majority of the budget going towards infrastructure, an airport, a new beach, new hotels, a downtown revitalization, etc, the Olympics are credited to transforming Barcelona and growing it into the economic and tourist hub it is today, and that wasn't achieved in the time immediately following the Olympics. There is much more to Olympic legacy than attendance during the Games.
  4. 2 points
    Well said. Looking at number of empty seats is the stupidest way to determine the success of the Winter Olympics in Korea. Legacy in new horizons doesn't mean being inspired by winter sports in Day 1, buying tickets on Day 2 and filling the seats on Day 10. Legacy is measured by the state of winter sports 20, 30 years from now. It's pretty cool to see how far Korea has come even since first bidding for the Winter Olympics in 2003. Purely a short track nation at the time, 15 years later speed skating and figure skating are also part of the sporting landscape. Yuna-babies are propping up over the country, and I wouldn't be surprised to see their real Olympic impact beginning from 2022 or 2026 onwards. And with Korea now having won its first ever curling medal, I can see curling being the next big winter thing in Korea. And who would've ever thought a Korean would win gold in a non-skating sport so soon? It happened in skeleton, and now Korea will have a sliding centre to call its own after the Games. Big change from even 10 years ago. And the crowds look good to me. The skating venues are packed, as expected. The locals have embraced their curling team and their hockey team in the stands, even though everyone knew their hockey team was never expected to contend, and even though games not involving Korea weren't all well attended. Some of the snowboarding events were well attended, no doubt helped by the locals adopting Chloe Kim as one of their own. I haven't watched any biathlon so I can't speak to the crowds there, but no one in the world cares about biathlon so I don't blame anyone for not attending biathlon events. Biathlon is a joke in North America, Asia, Australia, well, everywhere except Europe. Overall, I'm not sure how anyone would expect much more in terms of attendance, given the circumstances and location of the Games. From what I've seen and heard, I'll remember Pyeongchang as a Games with friendly people, great weather including a mix of lots of snowfall in the first week and later sunny skies in the second week, a small intimate setting not seen in the Winter Olympics since the 1990's, and great sporting competition. All without the catastrophe of Sochi or any other major scandal. It's just about what you can expect for a Winter Olympics in a new horizon.
  5. 1 point
    Salt Lake 2002 closing, actually, just after the fire rings were formed.
  6. 1 point
    Saw a tweet that said "Mira-CURL on Ice!"
  7. 1 point
    Oh well, too bad for you. Sounds like sour grapes. If Europe doesn't want to bid or host, that's their problem. Just means more Winter Games for everyone else!
  8. 1 point
    My vote for flagbearer is Kim Boutin.
  9. 1 point
    I see someone doesn't get sarcasm here. Anyway, found this, but dunno if its related to the closing or just surrounding events
  10. 1 point
    Ceremony is called "Next Wave" and it seems it will focus on modern Korea and the future. I expect K-Pop will get more focus here. However, given the harsh weather of Pyeongchang, don't raise your hopes too much regarding the length of the show, we'll probably have another short two hours ceremony. Probably what everyone is looking forward to is the Beijing 2022 handover segment. The sole fact Zhang Yimou (the director of the universally acclaimed Beijing ceremonies) is doing it is almost a 100% guarantee it will be a high quality performance.
  11. 1 point
    Clearly, Sochi was the worst WOG ever. Fake arenas, fake host athletes, and shamelessly used in political propaganda by Russia's leader(s). Pyongchang only has the first of these elements, and even if the number of spectators were few even at spectacular events like downhill, the legacy of this WOG will be clearly better.
  12. 1 point
    Overall, I was happy with what I saw. I kept my expectations a little lower, given the stadium itself, as well as the country's budget being far lower than Sochi, but overall, I was happy. I did not find myself getting chills up my arms like I did during Beijing or Rio, but I still enjoyed the show. Here are a few summed up positives and negatives, for me: Pros Seatback Lighting. I really like the use of this during ceremonies, and I really like how they used it during the Parade of Nations. Also distracted from the open seats throughout the venue. Parade of Nations. I loved the incorporation of popular Korean songs, including "Hand in Hand" from Seoul 1988. It also went much faster, which is something I hope we can keep for future Games. Sometimes they just seem entirely too long. The kids. I always love when kids are the main focus of the ceremony, which leads me into my next point Focus on the future. I was praying they wouldn't go the historical route and end up repeated Nagano 1998, and I was very glad they didn't. Plus, it gave the world a good glimpse into what Korea is trying to be, and I think they should be proud of themselves for it, like they were in 1988. Cauldron Lighting. I am very glad Yuna Kim did it, I expected no one else. Fireworks. For some reason I liked these much better than Sochis, which was odd. Much more variety. The ski/snowboard/drone video, definitely a major highlight was the rings made by drones Unified Korea. While it may have been a political stunt, it was surely an Olympic moment, and it was definitely a sight to see. Cons Somewhat disorganized. Videos and performances didn't seem to follow any sort of narrative or story, and it was confusing to bounce back between old Korea and future Korea. The amount of videos. I would've been somewhat disappointed/pissed if I got all the way out there to spend most of my time in my seat watching a video I could've been bundled up on my couch watching. Somewhat Lackluster. None of the performances really made me say "wow, what I would do to be there right now". The Unified Korea and Yuna Kim had that affect for me, but no musical or theatrical performance, which was weird for me. In London, during the entire part devoted to British music, I continuously thought "oh what I would do to be in London right now, singing the Beatles at the Olympics", and in Rio, "oh what I would do to see Gizelle Bundchen walk to 'The Girl from Ipanema' in front of mock favelas". Nothing like that here. The NBC broadcasting. I was very upset that certain parts of the ceremony were cut from the NBC broadcast due to "time constraints", but they HAD to send over an hour, if not more, of the allotted three doing interviews/descriptions of Team USA members. I know that's where the money lies and many in the US only care about Team USA, but I am very upset that I now have to go watch a version without commentary at a later date in order to see the full ceremony. Empty seats. Very unfortunate to see, and as stated, they tried to cover it up, but it was apparent that that stadium was not filled. Overall though, I was happy with the show. Maybe it's my optimistic nature, or the length of time between the Games that allows me to be much less critical when they come on for the first time (I will get critical when the hype goes away), but I was happy. What matters is if the OC spoke to South Koreans and the nearby Chinese, because if it did, then ticket sales will rise for people trying to get to last minute events or maybe even the closing ceremony, and Pyeongchang needs that boost right now. I'm excited for more Olympic events though!
  13. 0 points
    Frustratingly, consolidated ratings for BBC programmes are currently not being published in BARB's free weekly charts. They have, however, released ratings for online streaming from the week ending 11 February, which includes the first few Olympic programmes: The Opening Ceremony was the 6th most popular BBC live-streamed show on iPlayer in the week ending 11 February, with the equivalent of about 12,440 full streams (number 1 being Match of the Day, with about 49,520 full stream equivalent). Several other Olympic broadcasts also appeared lower down the iPlayer live streaming Top 100. No Olympic event appears in the iPlayer Top 100 On Demand shows for the week (number 100 being an episode of Inside No. 9, with about 21,700 full stream equivalent). On Sky Go, Eurosport's coverage of the Opening Ceremony got the equivalent of about 480 full streams (5th in the Sky Go: Eurosport ranking for the week, number 1 being the Luge on Sunday about 10am GMT). No Olympic event appears in Sky Go's Top 100 On Demand shows for the week (number 100 being an episode of The Blacklist, with about 1,980 full stream equivalent).