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  1. 6 points
    Only mistake the IOC made (with hindsight admittedly) with Pyeongchang is going there 4 years late. This in 2014, & Sochi wouldn't have happened, & it's not a big leap to think that we'd now be watching Munich 2018 - handing off to Oslo on Sunday week. To be fair to IOC, I don't think anyone could've seen in 2007 just how bad it would get, & at the time it felt like a good, positive step, but as it turned out, picking Sochi over PC ended up being possibly the worst decision they ever made.
  2. 5 points
    Of course he is - he’s been spitting his dummie for the past 7 years. Quite honestly, PC doesn’t have to do much beyond getting through the 16 days unscathed to already start to repair some of the damage done to the WOGs reputation that Sochi’s big spending did.
  3. 4 points
    Dear Tulsa - Hello from Gangneung, South Korea. As you know I am a fellow Frenchman. I will not rate Games from worst to best. I have been to six of them. All I can provide is a personnal feeling, among the six I attended, the ones I enjoyed the least are the Torino 2006 Games. The attendance to the alpine venues where I went was low, and the big city was engulfing the Olympic feeling of the Games. Does not mean they were better or worse, just a personal impression, and comparison to my previous visit to SLC. I have also to break some news to you : Albertville 92 Games were not among my best experiences either. In Albertville, I attended the Games from OC to CC, being there for sixteen days, going to up to three events a day, more than 30 events total, including all figure skating events but one. The Ceremonies were great, real breakthrough ones, but the too spread out venue plan was a logistics nightmare and removed some of the Olympic feeling by being too diluted through the Tarentaise. My best experience - no surprise there - is Lillehammer 94, you can't beat the Norwegian Games for the mood. And by the way Lillehammer was as cold or even colder than PC. I was at the 50 km and I still feel cold thinking of it. I would put PyeongChang on par with SLC in my memories. Contrary to your statement, the ten events where I went (hockey, alpine skiing, nordic skiing, bobsled, figure skating, speed skating, short track) were packed except for the best seats Here is why. I made the point for Sochi, one of the issues at the Olympics is that the best seats, reserved for Olympic family, TOP sponsors, athletes, etc are often empty, and since these are the best seats, they are more conspicuous on the broadcast. The Olympic park in Gangneung was smaller than Sochi's and was nicely crowded. Long queues at each pavilion of the sponsors showcases. I can not give enough praise to the wonderful PyeongChang volunteers ; the quality of the brand new facilities and of the venues is great - and there was snow. And free Wifi in each venue or ice rink. The compact venue plan made it easy to watch multiple events on the same day, even if you switch from Alpensia to Gangneung. You can't beat the KTX which takes you between the stations of both clusters in about 20 mn at high speed and for about 6000 wons in comfortable seats. Regarding Sochi, wonderful experience overall for me, great organisation and venues. It is only the context which makes these Games feel "Bad".
  4. 4 points
    Okay @Tulsa, are you almost over your two week, sour grapes tantrum? It’s been quite childish at times but, hey, if that’s what floats your boat, and it has added to the board activity, so I guess it’s been worthwhile in your mind, even if I doubt it’s changed even one person’s opinions. To address your original proposition - no, these have not been the worst WOGs in history, you’ll be disappointed to hear (if not accept). In all, they’ve been pretty good, well organised, lacking in major scandals, engendered a bit of positive and hopeful news out of the Korean Peninsula after a year of anything but, been more focussed on the events rather than extraneous issues and at the end more positive in spirit than many. Was it one of he best ever? Well, that’s always going to be a subjective call. Myself, I’d rate them as modesty successful but no Lillehammer (I guess I’ve just preculuded my post in the “verdict on the games” thread). Others may/will have differing opinions. Anyway, you’ve been hung up on this notion that certain countries, notably Korea and China, just aren’t fit to host a winter games and should never be given that honour. What utter arrogant bullish!t! The games belong to the world, and anyone with the means and sheer physical and geographic capability are entitled to host. They do not belong to a select group of “approved” countries. The WOGs themselves are already constrained to a smaller pool of possible hosts because of geographical and climatic requirements. But to follow your logic, that pool should be made even smaller to suit your offensively patronising cultural prerequisites. Yes, traditional winter sports countries in North America and Europe will always make good winter games hosts - and they will continue to do so for the lion’s share of WOGs in the future. But it’s important, even essential, that the less traditional locals - the Koreas and Chinas - also get their chance at times too. They need to be able to have the chance to embrace the Olympic spirit, to be exposed to the winter sports, to be given the chance to show off their societies and landscapes and hopefully be inspired to get more enthused by winter sports. And the WOGs can indeed achieve this - Japan really wasn’t a traditional winter sports country before its first WOGs, but now I see in recent posts of yours that it’s been promoted to your personal “WOG-worthy” club. It’s similar to the summer games - i would be easy to jut spread them around a small selection of advanced and venue-rich cities and nations (*cough, cough, Paris and LA) and never venture away from them ever. And, yes, there’s a legitimate debate to be had over the merits and social responsibility of less-developed and affluent cities and countries, like Rio or somewhere in Africa, hosting such an expensive extravaganza, but at the end of the day it is important and essential that they are allowed or even encouraged to share the spirit of the Olympics by hosting when their circumstances responsibly permit them. To specifically address some of your recurrent “points” of the past fortnight. Let’s take audience crowds. Okay, yeah, there were empty seats at times and not everything was packed to capacity or bursting. But that happens at EVERY games, even the most successful ones, and in winter games, even in your beloved and winter sports successful approved Western European host cities. There’s a lot of reasons why his is so - sponsor seats not being taken up, prices, travel costs etc. But there also were large contingents of enthused and respectful locals at many events, particularly those that they hold dear or had good chances in (and that’s natural, and again to be expected of any hosts). There were also decent numbers and contingents of spectators from around the world coming in to cheer their teams. And as was mentioned in other threads as well, while large crowds certainly can lift a good games to something truly special, at the end of the day it’s not the priority issue to decide on the success of a games or not. Particularly when for the overwhelming bulk of the world’s population, the games are experienced through television. The Koreans embrace of the games was average, but certainly not dire and certainly not games-wrecking. And onto climate. You’ve been railing against fake snow an barren landscape. What I saw on screen was constant mention of extreme cold and good snow cover of the venues amidst attractive wintry landscapes around. The biggest problem was a bit of wind in the first week disrupting some events. All games, and particularly the winter games, are hostage to the weather. PyeongChang wasn’t the first to use, or even the most drastically in need of using, artificial snow. Some of your beloved approved tradional hosts have had far more problems with their snow cover. In all, PyeongChang had far less snow and weather issues than many previous winter hosts. When the campaign to choose the 2018 host was in full swing I was firmly, for personal and emotional reasons, hoping for Munich. But that was not to be - que sera sera. I’m glad now, and think it was good an important, that they chose PyeongChang. For all the reasons mentioned above, I think it was essential that the IOC spread the winter games beyond the NA-Europe winter sports insider’s club. Maybe, to make a tidier list of host cities, it could have been four years earlier or four years later, bu it definitely had to happen. And Korea certainly didn’t drop the ball (or puck or whatever). Anyway, I guess for you it’s back to four years grumbling bitterly under your rock. Have fun. See you in Beijing 2022, I guess, for Round 2 of your dummy spit.
  5. 4 points
    RE: the thread title. I'd suggest the nation that ran a state sponsored doping scheme whilst hosting has a bigger claim.
  6. 3 points
    From all that I see via television coverage, PeyongChang has does a masterful job in presenting this Olympic Winter games, The venues are impressive and even spectacular. There appear to be no significant problems with any venue and it appears these are truly winter games in a winter climate with fresh snow almost daily and cold, crisp days with brilliantly blue skies. Its a far cry from Sochi where air temps sometimes reached summertime highs during several days and Alpine events were held on melting snow. The spectacular PeyongChang scenery, the thoughtful amenities provided at each venue to make events more "user friendly" for the participants, the outstanding maintenance at each venue--it all adds up to a remarkably professional and positive Olympic experience. Just watching young attendants clearing the ice of flowers and other gifts tossed to the skaters, or holding gates and doors for athletes as they arrive or depart a venue, or sweeping the shooting mats on the biathlon course--the list goes on. South Korea evidently has considered every aspect of of successful Olympic experience. It appears that in a crazy world PeyongChang has masterfully create a truly joyful Olympic experience free from scandal, major glitches or significant mistakes. I hope those remarkable facilities continue to host world competitions for decades to come and continue to bring prosperity to that region. South Korea has done an outstanding job. And the 2018 winter sports facilities give rise to the argument that the games deserve a permanent home with the very best of facilities. PeyngChang fits the bill. Those venues deserved to see another winter games in the near future.
  7. 3 points
    Torino was noted for a lot of empty seats as well.
  8. 3 points
    In this new age, it's very good and necessary to spread the love of sports (especially new kind of sports) to many new regions. Winter sports have been so restrictive in its nature but that doesn't mean people in certain areas shouldn't be hosting or promoting it. It's not going to take just one Olympics event to spark the interest with this kind of sports but it's a very good start to change such culture. I don't like the idea of keeping the games in certain regions all the times because they're more popular there than elsewhere and in the end the rest of the world will continue to perceive Winter Sports as something impossible and distant that only Europeans and North Americans can master. They have been hosting Winter Games there for a long time. It's very rare to have Asian countries to host Winter Olympics and after Beijing 2022 I don't think there will be more anytime soon so it's a good thing to promote this kind of games here in this continent.
  9. 3 points
    Hi Tulsa, long time no see. Great Games, eh? Pyeongchang revived my interest in the Games after Sochi killed it. Hope you're enjoying the Olympics from your mountaintop in Annecy. Lol.
  10. 3 points
    New fly-through video posted yesterday of LAX's automated people-mover, scheduled to start construction this year, to be completed by 2023:
  11. 3 points
    Wow! Just read Rob Livingstone’s #GamesBids tweet, and it turned out that was him, CAF, Olympian2004 and StefanMuc in the Oktoberfest spew segment. Good onya guys, you did the board proud and brought a lump to my throat! Thought it was a classy touch having the country names in the parade of nations engraved on the bier steins carried by the busty waitresses. Pity the poor lass who had to carry the “Olympic Athletes from Russia” steins, but at least she had big enough bazoongas to support them all.
  12. 3 points
    Overall, I was happy with what I saw. I kept my expectations a little lower, given the stadium itself, as well as the country's budget being far lower than Sochi, but overall, I was happy. I did not find myself getting chills up my arms like I did during Beijing or Rio, but I still enjoyed the show. Here are a few summed up positives and negatives, for me: Pros Seatback Lighting. I really like the use of this during ceremonies, and I really like how they used it during the Parade of Nations. Also distracted from the open seats throughout the venue. Parade of Nations. I loved the incorporation of popular Korean songs, including "Hand in Hand" from Seoul 1988. It also went much faster, which is something I hope we can keep for future Games. Sometimes they just seem entirely too long. The kids. I always love when kids are the main focus of the ceremony, which leads me into my next point Focus on the future. I was praying they wouldn't go the historical route and end up repeated Nagano 1998, and I was very glad they didn't. Plus, it gave the world a good glimpse into what Korea is trying to be, and I think they should be proud of themselves for it, like they were in 1988. Cauldron Lighting. I am very glad Yuna Kim did it, I expected no one else. Fireworks. For some reason I liked these much better than Sochis, which was odd. Much more variety. The ski/snowboard/drone video, definitely a major highlight was the rings made by drones Unified Korea. While it may have been a political stunt, it was surely an Olympic moment, and it was definitely a sight to see. Cons Somewhat disorganized. Videos and performances didn't seem to follow any sort of narrative or story, and it was confusing to bounce back between old Korea and future Korea. The amount of videos. I would've been somewhat disappointed/pissed if I got all the way out there to spend most of my time in my seat watching a video I could've been bundled up on my couch watching. Somewhat Lackluster. None of the performances really made me say "wow, what I would do to be there right now". The Unified Korea and Yuna Kim had that affect for me, but no musical or theatrical performance, which was weird for me. In London, during the entire part devoted to British music, I continuously thought "oh what I would do to be in London right now, singing the Beatles at the Olympics", and in Rio, "oh what I would do to see Gizelle Bundchen walk to 'The Girl from Ipanema' in front of mock favelas". Nothing like that here. The NBC broadcasting. I was very upset that certain parts of the ceremony were cut from the NBC broadcast due to "time constraints", but they HAD to send over an hour, if not more, of the allotted three doing interviews/descriptions of Team USA members. I know that's where the money lies and many in the US only care about Team USA, but I am very upset that I now have to go watch a version without commentary at a later date in order to see the full ceremony. Empty seats. Very unfortunate to see, and as stated, they tried to cover it up, but it was apparent that that stadium was not filled. Overall though, I was happy with the show. Maybe it's my optimistic nature, or the length of time between the Games that allows me to be much less critical when they come on for the first time (I will get critical when the hype goes away), but I was happy. What matters is if the OC spoke to South Koreans and the nearby Chinese, because if it did, then ticket sales will rise for people trying to get to last minute events or maybe even the closing ceremony, and Pyeongchang needs that boost right now. I'm excited for more Olympic events though!
  13. 3 points
    Calgary is going to bid. Canada sent a ministerial delegation, the GG, Mayor Nenshi and almost the entire COC executive. Canada is bidding.
  14. 3 points
  15. 3 points
    Now I will recapitulate the Rings Formations segments on the Opening Ceremonies of the WG. Sarajevo 1984. It seems to be the very first ring formation segment for the WG. Calgary 1988. There were not a ring formation segment itself, but ther were made up by the attending audience by wearing those ponchos creating the olympic flag as a human mosaic. Also they made up the year "88" from the Look of the Games. Albertville 1992. There were not a ring formation segment either, but they were projected on the floor. I think, the very first rings projections in an Opening Ceremony. Lillehammer 1994. Despite it was not a segment itself, the rings formation was made up by the children choir forming a human mosaic wich was present at the beggining and during the parade of nations. Salt Lake 2002. One of the most original and innovative rings formation ever: rings of fire on ice. It was replied two years after in Athens by forming fire rings on water. Torino 2006. A high tech rings formation. After a choreography of the "sparks of passion" where (yet not) rings got up and down, finally they were unified along a fireworks display. It was a splendid background for the Nations Parade. One of the most memorable ring formation ever! Vancouver 2010. With not a ring formation segment, the beggining of the ceremony was starred by the snowboardist jumping through the snow exploding rings which gave us a stunning footage of that Opening Ceremony. Sochi 2014. Probably the comented most rings formation ever by the media due to the big fail: One of the rings did not open! It was supossed to set them in a fireworks display after their formation but they didn't. Russian TV aired images of the dress rehearsal to "heal" that moment.... For the closing ceremony they made a parody of that fail! Like it was supposed to be The parody at the Closing Ceremony making fun of themselves... BONUS TRACK My favorite rings formation ever One of the most iconic footages of all Olympic Ceremonies. Los Angeles 1984 rings with those golden balloons still is one of the most amazing shoots ever! Beijing 2008. Due to its huge originality and the wow factor... The rings seemed to be coming out from the screen on the floor... Amazing! On the other hand it's the simplicity but not out of originality. The Rio 2016 rings formation by the trees and the expliding confettis is one of the most memorable ones.
  16. 2 points
    Good points. The IOC had similar ideas when it elected Rio to for the 2016 Olympics, Pyeongchang for the 2018 Olympics, and Beijing for the 2022 Olympics. The goal of all of those Olympics was to spread sport, specifically sports that are not common, to new areas and encourage athleticism globally. It also gave the host country, more so Brazil and South Korea than China, a chance to show the world its culture in its past, current and future state (Beijing recently hosted the Summer Games so that's why I didn't include it). With Russia being a large Winter Sports nation, as well as the city of Sochi having a very smart bid completely based around encouraging tourism to an already-tourist-popular area, it made logical sense to award them the 2014 Olympics. However, the corruption and overspending have now pushed these typical host countries, like Switzerland, Austria, Germany and Norway, who continuously do well in Winter Olympics and would (and have) easily host successful Games, away. So while the few Olympics bouncing around to new locations has been good to help grow different sports in other countries and expose new cultures on the world stage, it is critical for the Olympic movement that 2026 is awarded to a city/country that already has popular winter sports, and can prove to the rest of those veteran countries that hosting the Winter Olympic Games and being successful is not a thing of the past. I am hoping for a Canadian, Swiss or Austrian Olympics in 2026, not because I want an Olympics back in the "veteran countries", but, quite frankly, I just want future Winter Olympics
  17. 2 points
    Getting a little back on topic, and referring back to prior complaints about the coliseum renovation I decided to look into my archives and pull out the leaked applicant file for LA that was used during the domestic bidding process nearly *FOUR* years ago. I always felt that the concept proposed back in the earliest stages of the bid would've been the best plan. I suppose USC had other thoughts: [Imgur](https://i.imgur.com/r3QmUS3.png) I'm still hopelessly holding a candle that the plan is revived in the future. There's still a solid ten years before the games.
  18. 2 points
    God forbid this. Beijing must change their entire schedule so that US fans can watch the Super Bowl and the Olympics without interference.
  19. 2 points
    Could have done the rings with cows:
  20. 2 points
    About the quietness of the crowd, you guys have to remember culture in Korea and Japan is very different. They strongly believe in not causing discomfort to others as much as possible, hence why many don't tend to be noisy/speak too much in public. So it's kind of normal on this case. Also the fact this is a 35.000 stadium. Well, as promised, I am posting a more detailed review of the Opening Ceremony, now that i've rewatched it. I will also divide it according to the official name of each of the segments. The Land of Peace (Countdown - Welcome segment) The intro video with the airport was pretty nice, actually. The posters countdown was reminiscing of London and Torino, but in a very original manner. I knew the Gowjlseon Temple was going to have a moment on the ceremony with the Korean Bell. The story about the kids was fun/heartwarming, though at moments reminded me a lot of Narnia. I really liked how many national treasures of Korea were shown during this segment. The Tiger, Phoenix, Dragon and Turtle were a nice nod to the Four Cardinal Points of asian culture. While that strange birdman creature is kind of being meme'd at the moment by korean netizens, in truth this creature also appears at the ancient Goguryeo mural paintings. The formation of the constellation dome seemed to have been prerecorded, though i'm not pretty sure. Overall, i think the welcoming segment of Sochi was better in comparison because it had more consistence and wow factor (even with the infamous Olympic ring glitch) Taegeuk: Harmony of the Cosmos (National Flag) This part was actually pretty nice, though the drum performers coming from underground was heavily reminiscing of the Beijing 2008 Chinese characters segment. The dancing around the central performers was very well coordinated, and the central drummers forming the Taegeuk felt like a nod to the Seoul 88 logo when it was formed during its respective opening. I liked the use of the Joseon military band for the entrance of the flag (a nod to Seoul 88 as well when the Olympic Flag entered, though the music this time didn't sounded as creepy). The national anthem was ok, not bad but it would had been nice having someone like Sumi Jo instead of a children choir. At least better executed than that hideous Olympic Anthem from Rio 2016 (The Rainbow Choir is formed also by kids from many other countries, even though the majority are korean) Parade of Nations Now this was a very good, fluid and quick Parade. The organizers had to make it this way in order to save time because of the harsh weather of last night. The use of "Hand in Hand" to start the parade was a nice touch (as well for Gangnam Style when USA entered). Placard Bearers were also very original. Like most of you, I had complicated feelings with the Unified Korean team, I still dont think North Korea deserved this (and I still think SK president needs to stop trying too hard to please Kim). My main complaint about the parade of nations was the overall quietness of the spectators, then again, like I explained above, is probably a matter of regional culture or just the harsh weather. I hope they become more cheerful during the games. Arirang The River of Time Now, this segment was very confusing at first, and I just managed to understand it by reading the program. The storm symbolizing the turmoils Koreans had to face through their history ( but ultimately overcoming them represented by a river (which fits with the Miracle on Han River motif) was a nice idea, but I felt this segment felt kind of flat and very short. Not particularly impressive. All For the Future The vision of the future for South Korea was kind of interesting though maybe a bit too sci-fi for some people tastes. The led frames were nice, though I feel they borrowed a bit too much from Tokyo 2020 handover ( i wouldn't be surprised some Japanese have accused them already of plagiarism, given they have already accused Korea of plagiarism in the past). The light pillar was pretty nice, though. Peace in Motion (Dove segment - Rings) Like many of you said already, the formation of Doves was pretty nice, but using the song "Imagine", again? There are many other songs out there, hell, they could had even made a new song, but they had to recur to an overused song. That kind of killed this segment for me. And then, there's the drones segment. Probably my biggest issue with this ceremony. This could had been a spectacular segment if done live and if the drones were actually in the stadium. But nope. They went for pre-recorded stuff instead. That ruined a big opportunity for a memorable segment in the history of Olympic ceremonies, which was a big shame, even if it looked spectacular on TV. Olympic Flag-Anthem Much, much better than the horrid engrish Olympic Anthem of Rio 2016 with those kids. Glad to hear the anthem in Greek once more after a long while. Lightning of the Cauldron The music was pretty nice, this segment was picking a lot of climax when the last two torchbearers climbed through the LED stairs. Yuna Kim, even if it was super-predictable, was still cool, with that small figure skating rink and everything. But then....that horrid cylinder which came from underground kind of ruined the whole segment. I honestly think Yuna should had lit the cauldron the traditional way, but this last part felt both uninspired and rushed. You can tell they ran out of ideas at that point. Maybe they should had scrapped this as they planned to two weeks ago when Reuters leaked it. Also, when I saw the smileys fireworks I instantly thought "RIPOFF". It looked almost exactly to Beijing 2008 smileys fireworks used during the "You and Me" segment. Wish Fire The masked dancers were actually meant to represent Dokkaebi, which are creatures in Korean folk (very similar to goblins or the Onis of japanese myth) which love to make pranks and have fun. I think the bonfire show was actually pretty good and helped make up for the rather disappointing fireworks used for this Opening Ceremony. Again, though, it wasn't 100% original, as it reminded me a lot of the bonfire segment of Albertville '92 closing right after the cauldron extinction. Overall Review: 7.5/10 It was a very solid ceremony, which didn't felt tedious and was quick to the point. The parade of nations was one of the best organized i've seen in an Olympic ceremony. However, the fact the show depended so much of pre-recorded videos, as well for lacking originality at times makes it hard for me to give it a higher score. Still though, it still had the spirit of an Olympic Ceremony and did its job. The wow factor was certainly slightly bigger than Rio. I think we all have to resign to the fact low budget ceremonies are the way to do things now, thanks to the whole mess brought in by Sochi. However, as someone mentioned, low budget can be a good thing because it will force organizers to innovate more. I hope the Closing Ceremony is an improvement of what we saw today, though. The fact Zhang Yimou will direct the Beijing 2022 handover is almost a guarantee we will be up for at least eight awesome minutes. However I want to see what Korea does (apparently the director for the closing will be different).
  21. 2 points
    *sigh* If only... Now that my boyfriend lives in Munich and I therefore visit the city every few weeks, I really regret that it didn't get the 2018 Games and kept itself out of 2022. It would have been a great host, and the Olympic Park still amazes even after 46 years. On the positive side, I will never have to witness Olympic Games in Germany presided over by Thomas Bach. After all the scumbagging he did so far, this would have been a really undeserved honour.
  22. 2 points
    I thought it was already a bit much with that segment re-creating Bach winning his fencing medal, but when he actually ended up being the cauldron lighter as well......
  23. 2 points
    Rio case is sad because its brand was very nice and had the potential of being one of the best ones, but in the end it was poorly executed at some venues since they rushed at last second installing the brand. Sochi was nice. The brand made up for the uninspired logo (if we can even call that a logo) they had. Beijing 2022 brand already looks kind of promising with the curves and nice typography.
  24. 2 points
    Japan 2019 - Tokyo 2020. France 2023 - Paris 2024. If I was the USA Rugby Federation I'd be bidding for 2027 as it is obvious that World Rugby is in cahoots with the IOC and this tournament is now being utilised as a test event
  25. 2 points
    LOL not like the design of your book - - - cheers from a graphic designer xoxo #happyhalloween
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