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  1. Well, I tink it is more the issue that I don't think it is you FYI, or Baron, or Quaker, or Daewaebo, or Davey, or a lot of others who apparently find amusement in arbitrarily voting down everything I say... and i'll leave it at that... how did that song go... Greece is the word....? Oh, I mean Grease Edit: Think^
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  2. It happens all the time, though. The rep. abuse by premimum members. And then there are those who give kudo points for simply saying one-liners, like; "yeah, I agree with you, or YES X-city 20XX", etc, etc. It's almost like a clique here sometimes.
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  3. I really wouldn't dupe Salt Lake's victory as such. People said the same of Atlanta, & even Nagano & Sydney. All the bidding cities were doing it, but Salt Lake was the unfortunate one to get their hand caught in the cookie jar. Even Richard Pound said that he didn't understand Y Salt Lake did some under-handed dealings when they were clearly a favorite among the competition. Only like what, 10 members or so were expelled for this? Salt Lake won by a landslide. If their victory was truelly "tainted", many more members would've been expelled. Salt Lake still would've won, hence Richard Pound's remarks. And besides, it takes two to tango. It also takes someone to accept the bribe, too.
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  4. By the way... it is so comforting to know that no matter how much reasonable analysis or thought or time I put into a post that there is someone on here who can be counted on to consistently vote down what I write no matter what... I think most of us on there forums can take a pretty good guess who that someone is... so tragically petty of them... If I was ranting, making personal attacks, or just trolling on here I could understand purposely voting someones reputation down... but to just do so to spite them because you disagree with them... really sad...
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  5. Athensfan was having a bad hair day. I think he just got discombobulated that Reno might just get picked because Denver will implode on its own AGAIN!!
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  6. I will also quote/paraphrase/re-edit my analysis on the United States' prior bidding history form another discussion on the potential for a Denver 2022 bid on another thread. I have done my best to re--write or re-edit as necessary to fit within the context of this 2024 discussion: It needs to be noted that the United States has bid 36 times for the Olympic Games and only hosted 8 times in 6 cities... With one successful bid that was later rejected by the citizens of that city (Denver 1976) for a total of 9 successful bids and for two of those (Lake Placid 1980 and Los Angeles 1984) there was no other city in the world even competing... so the USOC has only won 7 competitive bids out of 36 attempts... so to act like '3 strikes in a row' should a 2022 (or 2024) bid from the USOC fail is some sort of obscene tragedy for the USOC is rather absurd from a historical perspective... yes, 2012 and 2016 were rather embarrassing and disappointing for the USOC, but not unprecedented by any historical context... Heck, the USOC nominated 5 cities for the 1952 summer games and all five lost and they nominated 6 US cities to host the 1956 summer games and all six of those lost... the USOC also nominated Detroit in 1952, 56, 60, 64, 68, and 72 and they lost all 6 consecutive bids... (in the interest of self-disclosure let me say that i'm just conveniently ignoring the issues with Detroit itself and focusing on the bidding effort itself...) So to act as if a third (or even a fourth or fifth) consecutive bid loss by the USOC would be some sort of disaster that undermines the long-term foundations of the American Olympic movement may be entertaining in the context of contemporary internet discussions but it is also historically flawed and demonstrably inaccurate... Personally I do believe that we are likely entering a drought for the US Olympic bidding process for the next few summer and winter bid cycles in the context of the political, financial, and social difficulties the United States currently faces, but just as the USA survived the bidding drought from 1960-1980 (and even through to Atlanta 1996 if once discounts the 1980 Lake Placid and 1984 Los Angeles games as 'victories' since there was simply no other country in the world that even expressed interest in hosting those games at the final IOC votes... so an uncontested win is a very weak 'victory' at best from a bidding perspective). The USOC even survived the humiliating rejection of the 1976 winter games by the voters of Denver to go on and win the very next winter games in 1980 by Lake Placid (which has also previously been rejected in bids for the 1948, 1952, 1956, and 1968 games after having previously hosted the 1932 winter games). However, even for Lake Palcid in 1980 it should also be noted that Lake Placid 1980 also won by default since the only other city bidding for 1980 was Vancouver and they withdrew their bid before the final vote... so in terms of the United States winning a competitive bid for an Olympic games, the USOC did not win a competitive bid between 1960-1996... a period of 36 years... the only games the US hosted in that period we both due to winning as the only city bidding... And again 1976 was rejected, 1980 was won by being the only city trying as was 1984... and 2002 was won through bribery and corruption... so in reality the only real 'legitimate' completive bid victory the USOC has had since 1960 was for Atlanta 1996... Ultimately, between 1960-2020, a 60 year period the US has only 'fairly' won ONE competitive Olympic bid... Hopefully that puts the potential 2022, 2024, and 2026 bids, should the USOC even choose to put forward an American bid to the IOC, in a slightly different historical context within these discussions... Finally, it is notable that Anchorage also bid unsuccessfully for the 1992 and 1994 winter games and tried for the 1998 winter games but the USOC nominated Salt Lake over Anchorage in 1998. Salt Lake was rejected in 1998 to come back and win in their next bid for 2002 (although that bid was severely tainted by bribery and impropriety in the bidding process and ultimately resulted in significant changes being made to the IOC's bidding procedures and the disgraceful fall of several IOC member in light of the corruption that look place between them and the Salt Lake bid committee) So again, one has to recall that the last successful American bid was mired in corruption and caused significant reforms to take place within the IOC. Now you have Denver putting forth a serious bid, having been the only prior successful applicant to ever subsequently reject a games, following the last previous American games mired in corruption, and in the light of a current dispute between the USOC and IOC over revenues, television rights, and general leadership disputes and instability within the USOC... These factors and even stiffer likely global bid competition all play against a US 2024 summer bid and a further-out winter 2026 bid from the United States... So like I said previously, the forces against a successful American bid in 2022 or 2024 (and in particular against a Denver bid) are strong. I would never rule anything as impossible, but certainly the chances for success in 2022 or 2024 and even in 2026 for the USOC are remote.
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