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Interesting they waited till after the Olympics to rule, and that the skaters will be eligible for 2014.

I'm not saying its a bad thing at all. Each city has its own topographical /geographical characteristics. I'm just saying that in a cluster e.g. Maracana, not divided by a mountain or a geographical feature, that venues 3-7km away can form a cluster, just means that in Cape Town e.g. venues in the Southern Suburbs, could be considered a cluster.

I agree...good riddance. It was an eye sore. The new roof and upgrades will make for a much more dramatic stadium. Too bad this couldn't be done before the BIG event, but so be it. And what a catastrophe it would have been if YellowVest were right and the cauldron caused roof to deflate...oh the screaming horror as thousands of people flee from a very-slowly-gradually-eventually-getting-there-within-an-hour-or-so-hey-got-time-for-a-coffee? piece of collapsing fabric.

I understand you Mo. I didn't see your comment as a critic I think Engenhao was placed in a far and isolated area (about having other sports venues near). I never understand why don't they build the Olympic Stadium in Barra... Well, it's already past. But the other venues in Maracana Cluster are not that far. Sambadrome, for example is just 5-10 minutes by car far from Maracana. Or Sailing will take place in Marina da Gloria, just 10-15 minutes far by car, from Maracana... The same can be told about Copacabana Cluster the lenghts can be done in less than 10-15 minutes...

Lame.

Between the lines you are saying every single post you do Nothing is good for you in Rio plans, and not only about 2016, in other threads too... I still don't know why you are here on GamesBids and not in the presidency of IOC!!! I'd say Engenhao is out of this cluster... Since it's almost in the middle way from Maracana to Deodoro Cluster The other venues in Maracana cluster are not that far...

Hmmm, you agreed with OTO, Feheva, that Brazil's problem (or Maracana one) is World Cup 2014. If not, I ask apologies for you, but it's clear to me this opinion.

I was meant to say it's in the way, not near... But of course, it's more near of Maracana venues than Deodoro ones... Much more near. I told you guys so. I don't get sarcasm and irony in English. And, it's preety useless in tough discussions with ******* people here. But now I get 100%, what you said, Feheva, and I ask apologies again to you. You don't need to draw it...

I really liked the first plan presented. IOC seems to like too... I don't know what interest ($$$, of course) mayor Paes have on Port Area, since he wants to change everything to there. I'm favourable to send some minor venues to there, for example, to build a multi-event arena in Port Area, that later can be used for shows and events. During the games could host the basketball matches... This would be nice... Barra is far, ok, but it's a place that can be controled about security, since there are few entrances and the Olympic Village in Barra Cluster IMO is the best choice.

My biggest fear is about the discussion... They can't lose years deciding if Port or Barra is better... This should be a quick decision, and IMO the decision was already taken when Rio won with the current project (more Barra less Port).

I hope in any case that the defeated people accept it and don't come in few months with a new plan and new arguments.

I really don't know the area of Cape Town, but Rio de Janeiro area is little bit big... To go from Downtown to the Grumari beach (both inside Rio city) is more than 60 Km driving... And Rio is a very spread city since we have mountains and an entire national park in the very middle of the city. Also we can not forget that Rio have lots of lagoons, rocks, hills and a curvy shore... All of this makes lenghts bigger