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In Topic: USA 2024

22 May 2012 - 04:05 PM

View PostQuaker2001, on 22 May 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

we're not going to wait around for it to come to us when there's othe projects/infrastructure improvements to worry about in the meantime.

Interesting article, and a lot of what has been said here. The alpha cities in the US are development minded. As such, the time for a bid is generally unique, and what is a great plan for a certain bid year, won't be workable in future years as the space will have been developed regardless. The same is the case for Chicago. Development will proceed, and given the result of the 2016 vote, there was really no reason for Chicago to consider hanging around and bidding again.

European cities have a major NIMBY problem. As such, in some of them, nothing really happens without an external shove. London's east side regeneration would have gone nowhere without an Olympic Commitment.

In Topic: Munich 2022

21 May 2012 - 01:24 PM

View Postdeawebo, on 21 May 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

nothing "EVIL" has happened otherwise the Champions League ob Saturday would have been a failure (which is not the case)...

I think most Muencheners would say that something evil DID happen Saturday night at the Champions League final...

Clearly, Bayern Munich had a drink from Shrek201's bad juju juice bottle ;-)

In Topic: Munich 2022

21 May 2012 - 08:25 AM

View Postgreenandblue, on 21 May 2012 - 05:38 AM, said:

Aside from all that, I just believe its ultimately time Germany hosted the next European Winter Olympics. It's too powerful to ignore.

I completely agree that Germany is a deserving host, and should host with one her own cities (instead of funding a Madrid or Rome bid with bailout money...). However, since you raised the Munich issue I still see it as a black mark to overcome.

Anniversaries hold significance. You can argue the attack would have happened anywhere in the world in 1972. However, reality is it happened in Munich. Given the even more extreme tension in the Middle East these days, you can be sure that some crackpot group is going to go for infamy by trying to reprise the attacks, just because it is Munich. Any bid by Munich needs to prove they take this into account.

In Topic: Munich 2022

21 May 2012 - 05:03 AM

View PostAthensfan, on 21 May 2012 - 03:51 AM, said:

Lets be clear though, the Games themselves were fantastic. No one should describe those Olympics as a failure.

Fair enough. I'm actually a big supporter of a Munich bid. Just take huge exception with the statement from a poster that someone they deserve a chance to "get it right". For the vast majority of cities, an Olympic Games is a one-off opportunity. I don't think any city should get a second shot to "do it right". I know Paris did - 1924 was their do-over for 1900, but that should never again be even a minor reason for an Olympic Host award. If anything, a past failure should be a black mark that a city needs to work very very hard to overcome!

In Topic: Munich 2022

21 May 2012 - 02:27 AM

View Postgreenandblue, on 20 May 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

As much as I love Berlin as a city, 21st century Berlin is just not Olympic material. Plus I have this feeling that staging the Olympics in the venues built by Nazis is not really nostalga worth investigating.
If this is an issue for Berlin, then it is an issue for Garmisch too. Some of their facilities were also built by the Nazis for 1936.

View Postgreenandblue, on 20 May 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

I think the combination of having the first Olympics in post-1989 Germany and having a city bridge the Summer and Winter Olympics is a special opportunity.
Why do they deserve a post-unification Olympics?

View Postgreenandblue, on 20 May 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

I also think, despite my views on Berlin, Munich deserves to clear its name with relation to the Olympics.
Why does Munich deserve a "do-over"? I don't hear anyone calling for Athens to get a do-over, or Atlanta? In fact the last two are help up as examples of why the games should never go to cities like that again.

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