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In Topic: Is Paris 2024 now dead? And what does that mean?

12 May 2012 - 10:55 AM

If we look the continent turn :

2012 Europe
2016 America
2020 Asia
2024 Oceania/Africa or Europe.

In Topic: Is Paris 2024 now dead? And what does that mean?

09 May 2012 - 11:32 PM

View PostAthensfan, on 09 May 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

I dispute everything in the above post, but in the interest of avoiding further digression, I'll limit my remarks to Paris.

I don't especially want to see thee Games in Paris because I have had unpleasant experiences with Parisians.

Everybody have had unpleasant experiences with Parisians! ;)

Parisians are a problems for French people so. ;)

In Topic: Is Paris 2024 now dead? And what does that mean?

08 May 2012 - 01:28 PM

View PostSwissO, on 08 May 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

Désespérant..................

Vu que tu parles français je vais peut être mieux me faire comprendre dans cette langue. Je voulais juste dire que si l'assemblé nationale est à majorité de droite, Hollande sera obligé d'élire un premier ministre de droite. De ce fait Hollande n'aura que très peu de pouvoir, et une candidature olympique est avant tout politique surtout en France (je ne sais pas comment ça se passe dans les autres pays). Du coup si le premier ministre est contre je vois mal comment Hollande pourrait faire pour proposer une candidature, surtout que même si c'est avant tout sportif, il y a une part importante des dépenses qui dépendent de vote à l'assemblé nationale. On l'a bien vu pour l'Euro 2016, le gouvernement a du faire voter des lois pour permettre la construction de stade et donc donner des garantis à l'UEFA. Donc si Hollande et pour et que le gouvernement et les ministres contre je vois pas comment il pourrait occulter ça et passer au dessus.

2018 est un bel exemple, la haute savoie a majorité de droite à fait pression sur le gouvernement pour proposer sa candidature, d'ailleurs le CNOF était plutôt contre cette candidature mais la volonté politique l'a obligé à céder.

Maintenant Hollande aura peut être la majorité donc il n'aura aucun souci, ou même si il ne l'a pas, l'UMP pourra être d'accord avec une candidature, mais si les relations entre les 2 sont tendu ça pourrait être un moyen de pression.Par rapport au CNOF Même si il est indépendant il subit les pressions du gouvernement.

Enfin si la France veut tenter 2024, il faudra que la candidature de Paris se mette en place avant 2014. Actuellement le CNOF attend un rapport sur les échecs de 2004-2008-2012-2018 pour se prononcer sur une future candidature et adapter sa stratégie. Il faut aussi attendre de savoir qui est l'hôte de 2020. Enfin le maire de Paris n'aura pas grand chose à dire même si il faut son accord. Mais en 2018 le maire d'Annecy a été tenu à l'écart...

Alors désolé si je me suis mal exprimé en anglais ou si tu as mal compris ce que j'ai voulu dire, mais je ne suis pas très à l'aise avec cette langue (J'y travail cependant ;) ). Après peut etre que je t'ai mal compris aussi. Mais en gros c'est important de savoir si le président à la majorité car cela lui permettra d'avoir plus de marge de manoeuvre pour une potentielle candidature. Donc le mois de Juin sera important.

In Topic: Is Paris 2024 now dead? And what does that mean?

08 May 2012 - 12:38 PM

View PostSwissO, on 08 May 2012 - 11:38 AM, said:

- If Hollande wants a bid and do not have a majority at the Parliament => his government would be from UMP and they will back a BID (this was announced during the campaign)

Sarkozy was for a bid but if he had been president. If government would be from UMP and they don't want a bid, even if Holland would like a bid, there won't have bid...
There aren't agreement between PS and UMP about a potential bid...

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- If Hollande doesn't want a bid (and i trully think so), no matter the majority at the parliament => NO BID

If government want a bid and Holland doesn't want, He can't say not (If the government is UMP, he won't involve in the bid process...)

Now it's possible to have a bid even Holland doesn't have a socialist government... If they find an agreement.

In France, it is the government whom have the authority... Excepted if the president have the majority in the parliament, he can have is own government.

But about Paris 2024, there are lot of probability that UMP and PS are agree about a bid.

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So no matter what will happen in June at the Parliament... One again, we should :
- wait 2014 and the NOC's decision
- wait 2014 and the city's decision
- wait 2014 and the Hollande's decision

It's important to know if Holland will have or not the majority, it will be a sign about the facility or not to find agreement with the differents protagonists.
No if France want to bid to 2024, They should decide before 2014 if they bid or not.
The NOC's could decide in 2013 after the election to 2020 host city.
Holland could decide after june if he wants.
but I'm agree with you about the mayor, Delanoé doesn't want bid again. We have to wait 2014.

In Topic: Is Paris 2024 now dead? And what does that mean?

08 May 2012 - 10:49 AM

View PostSwissO, on 08 May 2012 - 09:35 AM, said:

And yes, Sarkozy after 2 terms of Hollande could be re-elected president in 2022 so to be in charge of the Opening of the Paris 2024.... Family's affair with Carla carrying the French Flag... and their daughter Julia as final torch bearer.... :P


Sarkozy could be reelected in 2017...

And about parliament, if Holland doesn't have the majority, he will have to nominate a first minister come from other political family than socialist and if his first minister don't want SoG, Holland couldn't purpose a bid. It's the reason why he needs to have the majority in assemble to nominate socialist ministers. In general you don't have trouble to have the majority after president election, but there is a risk to have Socialist president and UMP government... And everything depend to parliament election in June.