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[jim jones]

roltel, on Sep 11 2006, 10:31 PM, said:

And why is that a bad thing?

It is not a bad thing at all but it is totally nieve of officials in Halifax and a total waste of money for the city and the province. A simple web search points to the apparent. African and Asian countries are not going to vote for a scaled back affair when you have a Kuala Lumpar laying out the games they did and then Abuaj comes along with their facilities. The huge ammount of expense these countries have gone to for sport festivals to lift the image of their countries would not be trumped but a Scaled back affair.

The environment of the biding is a competition of the highest standards not a quest to provide different regions of canada with sports stadiums for a post games tennant like the CFL. That is the driving force for halifax a stadium for a franchise in a league that has had as many franchises go bankrupt as the league has teams today.

jim jones

[Rafa]

I think most people have forgotten about halifax,

[jim jones]

Mo Rush, on Sep 12 2006, 11:48 AM, said:

I think most people have forgotten about halifax,

Yes except the the people in my backyard who will hit us with big taxes if they got the games.
feable it was i would say their bid is and actually I am not too worried. I just hate the fact about 2 decades of wasted taxpayers money and that these people don t get that places in asia, africa and europe are partially controlling the costover run problem by building for lesser events in advance or for events that do not require the ammount of venues that a sport festival does.

Your coutnry of south africa is a great example of that with the World cup in 2010.

jim jones

[Rafa]

you mean if there is going to be a world cup in south africa in 2010. while the country may be ready by january 2010, deadlines set for 2009 are optimistic.

[jim jones]

Mo Rush, on Sep 12 2006, 03:30 PM, said:

you mean if there is going to be a world cup in south africa in 2010. while the country may be ready by january 2010, deadlines set for 2009 are optimistic.

Oh R they having trouble with the world cup venues in south africa Mo Rush ???
I thought durban was a little late to start construction but not anything that cant see the stadium built in the next two years.

By the way while we are on the Abuja Trend it seems the Committee has finally launched their website
www.abuja2014.org The nigerians are driving the point home about africa completing the circle if Abuja is awarded for 2014 and at the same time showing where the games have been held and what dates . Powerful opening flash animation that shows the apparent. Canada 4 times, the UK 5 times , Asia twice, australia and new zeland 7 times and jamiaca for teh carribean region once. Africa never hosting the games.

with Ron Walker writing endorsement letters to 67 of the 71 commonwealth games national committees, the Africian International Olympic Committee Adopting a motion to make Abuja an
Africian bid in their annual meeting in june. The Nigerians are pulling the strings in diplomatic circles
within africa and the carribean region with Jamiaca's prime minister throwing support behind Abuja.

Like you and I have said before Africa will be paid back by Asia for supporting the New Delhi bid.
Halifax and Glasgow will split the minority of the votes in europe and canada's lone vote and who knows about the rules for a second round of voting if Abuja gets a majority tha trumps the combined votes for both glasgow and halifax. Will it go to a second round of voting if Nigeria has a clear majority over the two other biders? It would seem to me like a knockout punch

I will have to read the World cup trend to see whats going on in south africa. Thanks Mo rush


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[Sir Rols]

jim jones, on Sep 12 2006, 09:42 PM, said:

It is not a bad thing at all but it is totally nieve of officials in Halifax and a total waste of money for the city and the province. A simple web search points to the apparent. African and Asian countries are not going to vote for a scaled back affair when you have a Kuala Lumpar laying out the games they did and then Abuaj comes along with their facilities. The huge ammount of expense these countries have gone to for sport festivals to lift the image of their countries would not be trumped but a Scaled back affair.

The environment of the biding is a competition of the highest standards not a quest to provide different regions of canada with sports stadiums for a post games tennant like the CFL. That is the driving force for halifax a stadium for a franchise in a league that has had as many franchises go bankrupt as the league has teams today.

jim jones

Yes, an emerging nation desperate to prove itself in the world's spotlight is unlikely to be able to reesist the temptation to scale up _ Delhi is already in struggles with the CGF who are trying to rein in its desire to add more sports above the current cap. But Canada has time and time again proved valuable to the CWGs in helping scale back tendencies to supersizing _ it's specialised in throwing inn smaller hosts like Hamilton, Edmonton and Victoria. Victoria is the perfect case and not dissimilar to the situation now. It managed to present a much quainter, more human games after the high profile more ambitious efforts of the likes of Brisbane and Auckland.

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The Nigerians are pulling the strings in diplomatic circles
within africa and the carribean region with Jamiaca's prime minister throwing support behind Abuja.

I agreee, it does seem that the Nigerians are indeed making the right moves in the lobbying stakes, rather than relying on sentiment and goodwill alone.

Edited by roltel, 12 September 2006 - 06:30 PM.

[jim jones]

roltel, on Sep 12 2006, 11:24 PM, said:

Yes, an emerging nation desperate to prove itself in the world's spotlight is unlikely to be able to reesist the temptation to scale up _ Delhi is already in struggles with the CGF who are trying to rein in its desire to add more sports above the current cap. But Canada has time and time again proved valuable to the CWGs in helping scale back tendencies to supersizing _ it's specialised in throwing inn smaller hosts like Hamilton, Edmonton and Victoria. Victoria is the perfect case and not dissimilar to the situation now. It managed to present a much quainter, more human games after the high profile more ambitious efforts of the likes of Brisbane and Auckland.
I agreee, it does seem that the Nigerians are indeed making the right moves in the lobbying stakes, rather than relying on sentiment and goodwill alone.

Well glad to see some common thought on the subject rotel . I dont think you can really include 1930 hamilton in the mix of canada scaling down as it was the first games and was the creation of a local canadian. Hamiltons bids have been unsuccessful in recent times. The last bid as we know the alligations of block voting and it is even admittted to by the president of the India IOC.
Edmonton seems very far away in 1978 and stadium wise I would say Edmontons Commonwealth stadium is a bit more over the top then Bribanes no offence.
Kuala Lumpar of course had to express they where a big boy in the sport festival /world nation building arena with the over the top display in 1998. That was followed by manchester which claimed to scale back but not to a scale of victoria 1994. Manchester a perminant stadium with some temporary seating, indoor velodrome whereas Victoria had a temporary stadium on an existing track on the univeristy of victoria , an outdoor velodrome. Victoria is a far cry from manchester even with the scale down from kuala lumpar. Melbourne was really an exercise in trying to make up for a failed olympic bid and an inter city rivalry between sydney and melbourne.

There is certainly an environment of upmanship from the developing nations to prove themselves in the world and that is what my province faces. Considering Glasgow is really inbetween the two very wide extremes of Halifax and Abuja there is really not going to be a scaling back to a victoria or even a scaling back to what halifax would be able to afford coming into line with their budget theory for hosting the games. The taxpayers are questioning on the doorstep in recent elections the canidates and have expressed concern. The politcians not providing answers has the public support eroided.
Abuja as a planned city of very recent origins has the designs to host sports festivals and it apparent they dont do things in half measures. With that type of bider I cant see a penny wise pound foolish city like hlaifax realistically competing in a sport festival bid internationally or on this scale.

jim jones

[Rafa]

jim - while an immense amount of preparation is and has taken place in south africa, confidence will start to grow once construction begins, everything is currently on paper, a huge amount of highly detailed planning has been made and continues, things are coming together and deadlines will still be met with most things on schedule, however we do need to start seeing actual work being started and completed. Essentially january is when construction will begin and if nothing has really started in that month then one could really start making statements like south africa is behind on preparations. Its actually government who is holding things back by not finalizing its funding to different cities, it wants cape town to build a stadium and has agreed with FIFA to build a stadium with a retractble roof but when it comes to funding and the price for such a stadium is revealed they force the city to pay more or cut down on the costs knowing very well that they are the ones who initiated the idea and basically shot our mayor down when she said green point was not the best option, now that the mayor has agreed and carried out studies for the cost of such a stadium along with the maximum contribution the city can make to the cost, gvt wants the cost reduced or the city to spend more, but the mayor is unwilling to sacrifice service delivery in other parts of the city for a stadium,

the same in durban, things need to get started and the old stadium has been demolished but gvt will only release its final funding plan next month, which is according to schedule, however they have left cities in the dark, in the meanwhile designers are finalizing the design of the cape town stadium with the german architects, which essentially would be the centrepiece to a possible cape town olympic bid in future.

gvt is realizing that although the funds are available, they will need to increase funding significantly if they want cities to pull off the world cup preparations in such a short time.

[arwebb]

jim jones, on Sep 13 2006, 01:24 AM, said:

That was followed by manchester which claimed to scale back but not to a scale of victoria 1994. Manchester a perminant stadium with some temporary seating, indoor velodrome whereas Victoria had a temporary stadium on an existing track on the univeristy of victoria , an outdoor velodrome.

Though there was a substantial building programme for Manchester 2002, building which was a commitment born out of the previous Olympic bids, many of the venues were long established well before then. The velodrome, for example, had hosted both the 1996 and 2000 World Track Championships.

[Rafa]

ah happy memories of the manchester games...a real "can-do" attitude produced a fantastic games,, for many reasons i would rate it as better than melbourne.