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[FYI]

Calgary and Montreal hosted within 12 years of each other and Canada's performance back then was much worse back then, compared to right now.

Yeah, but it was the WINTER Games (which Canada is much better at anyway, & would've been their first) that followed those 12 years after '76.

Plus, Calgary's only competition was Cortina D'ampezzo, which had already hosted, & Falun, Sweden, which was not as technically sound of a bid like Calgary's was.

This time, it's the other way around. Where there's stiffer & more compelling competition for the SUMMER Olympics.

[Athensfan]

The city is obviously going to choose the 2024 Olympic bid over the 2025 Expo. It's a no brainer. And since this is being studied now and its getting early publicity we can guarantee an official bid even though it is early out. The previous bid cycles we only heard rumors of a bid happening behind closed doors. Nothing ever was officially announced until the bid deadline approached. The city will have hosted the Pan Am's in 2015. It would be in their favour to continue off the heels of that. The morale and excitement level of Torontonians should be high around that time and the approval rating should be great.

Wow. Guarantee an official bid? Based on one city council vote? Hmmmm...

Well if the USA bids doesn't matter who wins because that will be the biggest obstacle. From what I have heard and read an Istanbul bid would have Europe/Asia blocked as well maybe the IOC wanting to return to an "older host"

That's a matter of opinion. I'm not convinced Istanbul would block either Tokyo or Paris. I think it could shave a bit off of Durban and would definitely rule out Doha and Baku.

[FYI]

The whole "an Istanbul win would rule out Asia & Europe" is so overblown, it's not even funny. There's no logical evidence or even a hypothesis for this. Other than some bias binoculars & ears most likely hearing & reading those things.

[Athensfan]

Yes, Calgary and Montreal were 12 years apart, but look at WHEN that happened. The US got a slew of Games. Europe had a higher percentage too.

This is a different era. Non-traditional hosts are increasingly viable. That changes the rotation. The IOC is not strapped for options. They are not going to let ANYONE host two Games within 14 years -- not the US, not China and definitely not Canada. Those days are gone. The most likely way Toronto wins 2024 is if everyone else steers clear of the race because of SA and then the IOC realizes SA can't deliver. Toronto would be a reliable back-up plan.

[Gangwon]

Yes, Calgary and Montreal were 12 years apart, but look at WHEN that happened. The US got a slew of Games. Europe had a higher percentage too.

This is a different era. Non-traditional hosts are increasingly viable. That changes the rotation. The IOC is not strapped for options. They are not going to let ANYONE host two Games within 14 years -- not the US, not China and definitely not Canada. Those days are gone. The most likely way Toronto wins 2024 is if everyone else steers clear of the race because of SA and then the IOC realizes SA can't deliver. Toronto would be a reliable back-up plan.

Rome was the heavy favourite for 2020 while they were still in it- just 14 years after Torino- and that was a Summer Games. While they were in the race, PC's 2018 win was seen as a bigger detriment to Tokyo than Italy's financial troubles were to Rome (Rome didn't seem to suffer from the perception of financial trouble that Madrid did and does). It was only after Rome left the race that PC's 2018 win didn't seem to matter anymore to Tokyo's chances, because Madrid and Istanbul had even bigger challenges than Tokyo.

[FYI]

Comparing Italy to Canada is not an apples to apples comparison, though. It's much the same like comparing it to the U.S. It's not the same argument. Italy is still a better summer sports powerhouse & has clout in the Olympic realm.

[Athensfan]

Rome was the heavy favourite for 2020 while they were still in it- just 14 years after Torino- and that was a Summer Games. While they were in the race, PC's 2018 win was seen as a bigger detriment to Tokyo than Italy's financial troubles were to Rome (Rome didn't seem to suffer from the perception of financial trouble that Madrid did and does). It was only after Rome left the race that PC's 2018 win didn't seem to matter anymore to Tokyo's chances, because Madrid and Istanbul had even bigger challenges than Tokyo.

But because Rome dropped out, it can't be used as supporting evidence. Saying "they might have won" does not help. They might also have been defeated which would have supported my position. The Bid Index ranked Rome below Istanbul, Tokyo and Madrid, so "favorite" is a matter of opinion. As it is, Rome 2020 proves nothing.

[Olympic Fan Darcy]

I think you'll find Istanbul was ranked above Madrid and just below Tokyo.

It still amazes me that people think Istanbul is risky. Granted it has not held a 2 week multi sport event but few cities have. Over the last few years Istanbul has hosted a very large number of major European and World Sporting events, and has some of the best stadiums in Europe if not the World, for athletics, football and indoor events.

It has held a Champions League Final, A FIBA World Championship and a World Indoor Athletics Championships ... in the last 5 years, all successfully. They have an 75,000 seat Olympic stadium, two football stadiums of 50,000+ one of which has a sliding roof and 4 major indoor arenas of capacity between 12,000 and 22,000 seats. Risk is often associated with the construction of venues and cost overruns .... well Tokyo is riskier because they don't even have their main stadium built yet.

Likewise why is Rio or South Africa risky? Brasil is the 6th largest economy in the world and was hosting a very successful Pan-American Games only 5 years ago. In the last 15 years, South Africa has hosted a Rugby World Cup, a Cricket World Cup, an All African Games and a FIFA World Cup.

For me, cities bidding with bids full of conjecture and artist impressions of future facilities are far more riskier than cities with stadia like the Ataturk Olympic Stadium or the Moses Mabhida Stadium already built and open

No Istanbul was ranked lower then Doha on the evaluation report thing

[Gangwon]

Comparing Italy to Canada is not an apples to apples comparison, though. It's much the same like comparing it to the U.S. It's not the same argument. Italy is still a better summer sports powerhouse & has clout in the Olympic realm.

The difference between comparing Canada and Italy is negligible. It's not like comparing Canada to the US or China or Russia. Italy if anything is a middle Olympic power, a notch above Canada but nothing special that it deserves greater special treatment than Canada would. And while the difference between Rome 1960 and Rome 2020 would be greater than Montreal's 1976 and Toronto's 2024, it's not the biggest difference in the world either. Other middling countries like Australia (at the time) and Japan have either won or been strong contenders in similar time frames (40-50 years apart).

And while Italy has more clout than Canada in the Olympic realm, that's not a question of whether one deserves the Olympics after a certain time frame. That's more a question of how well one country can lobby better than another.

But because Rome dropped out, it can't be used as supporting evidence. Saying "they might have won" does not help. They might also have been defeated which would have supported my position. The Bid Index ranked Rome below Istanbul, Tokyo and Madrid, so "favorite" is a matter of opinion. As it is, Rome 2020 proves nothing.

How can you say Rome proves nothing when they made a formal bid and was seen as the heavy favourites? This isn't some phantom hypothetical bid, theirs was a real bid for a time, and was agreed at large by others of being a strong contender (let alone favourites). This counters any argument that a country can't get a Summer Games 14 years after a Winter Games.

[Athensfan]

Italy v Canada is neither here nor there. Rome dropped out and can't be used to prove anything.