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[Athensfan]

With only three weeks until the short list announcement, there still is no bid index. I can't recall another race where the first index was published so late.

This leads me to suspect that perhaps the 2020 candidates do not fall as neatly into the paradigms of previous races. Perhaps the index is being adjusted for this race. That would make me a bit suspicious of it, but then I always have been anyway. Without seeing a diagram of exactly the criteria that's being evaluated, how it is scored for each candidate and how it is weighted, I don't put much stock in it.

ATR's approach may be less complex, but at least they show you how they arrive at their conclusions. And they published their rankings many weeks ago....

What are your thoughts?

[Galandar]

Yes, that is sad that three weeks prior to the meeting in Quebec we still don't have Bid Index

[Citius Altius Fortius]

I recognised that, too - I suppose GBModerator will publish his famous BidIndex soon

[GBModerator]

BidIndex will be published prior to the Short list this month as planned. The IOC changed things up a bit this time by allowing presentations before the short list - and the bids have made more information available because of this so it will all be included to make our initial release more complete and useful than in the past.

Since BidIndex is based on statistical trends and a lot of data, it takes time to prepare - unlike "other" indexes where categories and values are arbitrarily chosen and they may or may not relate to how IOC members actually vote.

I think you'll be happy with what we'll be launching very soon.

[Athensfan]

BidIndex will be published prior to the Short list this month as planned. The IOC changed things up a bit this time by allowing presentations before the short list - and the bids have made more information available because of this so it will all be included to make our initial release more complete and useful than in the past.

Since BidIndex is based on statistical trends and a lot of data, it takes time to prepare - unlike "other" indexes where categories and values are arbitrarily chosen and they may or may not relate to how IOC members actually vote.

I think you'll be happy with what we'll be launching very soon.

Thanks for the response. Sounds good.

ATR's rankings are obviously subjective. I would be interested in seeing more of the "guts" of the bid index sometime -- how the data is evaluated, etc.

[emre]

whats included in bid index? the city or city + country?

[Sir Rols]

I'd been wondering myself when it would come. Great to know we'll se it soon.

Is it only three weeks to the short list? I've been too pre-occupied to realise it was so soon!

[Gangwon]

I echo Rols. I didn't realize it's already time!

BidIndex will be published prior to the Short list this month as planned. The IOC changed things up a bit this time by allowing presentations before the short list - and the bids have made more information available because of this so it will all be included to make our initial release more complete and useful than in the past.

I guess that means Doha's making the short list- they always make great videos.

[SwissO]

There is some rumors, here in Lausanne, that mightily all the applicant cities could become candidate cities.... (but without any formal confirmation... as everything will be decided by the Ex Board in Quebec !)

[Athensfan]

There is some rumors, here in Lausanne, that mightily all the applicant cities could become candidate cities.... (but without any formal confirmation... as everything will be decided by the Ex Board in Quebec !)

That's my expectation. All shortlisted. Makes me wonder why they bother with a short list when everybody's made in two cycles in a row. If it happens again (and it easily could for both 2022 and 2024), they may need to rethink the process.