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[kernowboy]

baron-pierreIV, on 08 February 2012 - 07:35 AM, said:

Yes, it's NOT at all certain if the USOC will proceed with a 2022 bid. So what do you want a seriously interested community NOT TO DO? Just sit around and twiddle their thumbs until they read it in big, flashing letters - GO? Duh!! That's not the way it's done. You'll NEVER get in a credible bid if you think that's the way it's done.

If you will read the Reno-Tahoe webiste, it says that are ready to spring into action should the time be right. In other words, they are like So. California's SCCOG (SoCal Committee for the Olympic Games), a standby organization ready to jump at a moment's notice. And what I am backing is a real, EXISTING organization that is just holding back until the gates are pulled back. That is a big difference from some guys making up the bids right here on a chat forum and what isn't really happening on the ground.

Are there any local polls? I really wait for them to find me, rather than the other way around. Am really NOT interested in other regions which I KNOW have NO snowball's chance in hell of happening when there are more viable alternatives around.

So some bids don't have a website with no information yet? Each country has a different manner of selecting their candidates

Oslo has publically achieved the support of all Norwegian winter sport federations as of October 2011. The Norwegian parliament as of November 2011 acknowledged positive support towards a proposed Oslo bid. Recent polls have 58% in favour of the games all the rest are either yet undecided or no, so a 58% in favour is high. They've had Russi check out the Norefjell mountain to design a suitable course for the mens downhill. Sounds far more real than Reno's hypothetical bid.

As for Saint Moritz "the organizers have put forward St Moritz 2022" as the offical corporate name of the bid, and have already passed the first stage of being the official Swiss bid, which is far further along than the Reno site in getting offical support.

Oslo and St Moritz can only be perceived as massively superior in terms of style and sophistication over anything Reno could offer.

Please don't let the facts get in the way of your rabid support for the Reno bid that the will make 1996 look like the paragon of restraint.

[747]

Style and sophistication....I thought this was about a sports festival, don't go all euro-trash on us....after all we're ONLY Americans!

St Moritz.....Tahoe might as well just host the whole thing up at Squaw again or Heavenly if the scale were talking about.

[baron-pierreIV]

kernowboy, on 08 February 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

So some bids don't have a website with no information yet? Each country has a different manner of selecting their candidates

Oslo has publically achieved the support of all Norwegian winter sport federations as of October 2011. The Norwegian parliament as of November 2011 acknowledged positive support towards a proposed Oslo bid. Recent polls have 58% in favour of the games all the rest are either yet undecided or no, so a 58% in favour is high. They've had Russi check out the Norefjell mountain to design a suitable course for the mens downhill. Sounds far more real than Reno's hypothetical bid.

As for Saint Moritz "the organizers have put forward St Moritz 2022" as the offical corporate name of the bid, and have already passed the first stage of being the official Swiss bid, which is far further along than the Reno site in getting offical support.

Oslo and St Moritz can only be perceived as massively superior in terms of style and sophistication over anything Reno could offer.

Please don't let the facts get in the way of your rabid support for the Reno bid that the will make 1996 look like the paragon of restraint.

I WASN'T TALKING or REFUTING the EUro bids. I was merely referring to your FORMULATING the Lake Placid bid which, like Lord David, seem to be the posters' own shuffling of their deck of cards...because we here certainly haven't heard ANY rumblings of a Lake Placid bid. That was what I was referring to.

As for surveys, I was also just referring JUST to Denver. Whatever happens on your side of the pond, happens. I am in no position to question them.

BTW, last I remember, the provincial hick city of PyeongChang, Korea, beat the old-world sophisticated cities of Munich and Annecy in ONE VOTE, 63 - 25 - 7. You were saying about "style and sophistication"?

Edited by baron-pierreIV, 08 February 2012 - 06:59 PM.

[mattperiolat]

baron-pierreIV, on 08 February 2012 - 06:35 PM, said:

BTW, last I remember, the provincial hick city of PyeongChang, Korea, beat the old-world sophisticated cities of Munich and Annecy in ONE VOTE, 63 - 25 - 7. You were saying about "style and sophistication"?

Actually, it took PC multiple votes over three tries to get the Games. It really had more to do with the persistance of the Koreans than anything to do with the bid quality. Munich did fantastically well for their first bite at the apple and the Annecy bid was a total joke until their presentation made them at least look professional.

[Rols O'Bertilsson]

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Another Utah Olympic bid could cost $10M

Another Salt Lake City bid for a Winter Olympics probably would cost more than $10 million, a committee examining that possibility learned at its debut meeting Thursday.
Although expensive, that figure did not seem to cause much angst for Olympic Exploratory Committee members, mindful that the 2002 Winter Games produced a $100 million profit.
The estimate was provided by Fraser Bullock, the Salt Lake Organizing Committee’s chief operating officer in 2002, who offered some preliminary numbers that suggested a Salt Lake City bid could make more financial sense than anything Denver or Reno — two other U.S. cities interested in the 2022 or 2026 Winter Games — could put forth.
Bullock’s brief analysis of bid budgets for the three cities vying for the 2018 Winter Olympics, awarded last year to Pyeongchang, South Korea, indicated it would cost about $1.5 billion to run the 2022 Games. That money would come from broadcast rights and sponsorships.
But since Salt Lake City already has ski jumps, a bobsled-luge track and a speedskating oval, it would not have to bear the additional costs of building those venues — a luxury Denver and Reno don’t enjoy. Bullock noted that could cost those competitors about $370 million more.
“This tells me we could do this [stage the Games] with completely private dollars,” Bullock said. “Other cities can’t.”
The figures are preliminary, he emphasized, vowing to assemble more detailed numbers with former SLOC chief financial officer Brett Hopkins before the committee’s next meeting Feb. 29.
Hopkins is one of 14 people appointed to the committee last week by Gov. Gary Herbert and Salt Lake City Mayor Ralph Becker to decide if Utah should pursue another Winter Olympics.
The committee held its first meeting Thursday in a City Hall room just down the corridor from trophy cases containing relics of Salt Lake City’s first Olympic foray — SLOC’s Olympic and Paralympic flags and the flag of the International Olympic Committee.
Most of Thursday’s two-hour session revolved around the rules and procedures the committee would follow in completing its mandate.
For instance, because Herbert asked for a recommendation by May, committee members agreed with Lt. Gov. Greg Bell, a co-chairman, that membership should remain small, even if there is considerable interest in participating from other groups, such as the communities where events were held in 2002.
To ensure the process is inclusive and transparent, members talked about having public comment at future meetings, which could be held weekly.
Becker also suggested that his and Herbert’s offices collaborate on a website that would allow the public to track developments and provide input.
At the urging of Salt Lake Chamber CEO Lane Beattie, Gov. Mike Leavitt’s Olympic coordinator in 2002, Bell said he will begin discussions of the effort with legislative leaders. Their support will be necessary if, as happened in preparations for 2002, the state has to provide financial-support guarantees to Salt Lake City. Only cities can formally submit bids to the IOC.
Beattie also recommended the committee ask lawmakers for $100,000 to $200,000 in economic-development funding to support a bid campaign. But some members believed it might be better to delay asking for that money until a decision is made to bid, especially because Bullock doubted the exploratory committee’s work would cost more than several thousand dollars.
That money might be needed, he theorized, to pay for a poll to gauge public support for another bid.
Salt Lake Tribune

[FYI]

Ummmm, I would like to know when this "exploratory committee" is going to finally start thinking outside the box. "Could" cost $10 million? Lmfao, okay!

Even no-chance Annecy had more than twice that to spend! And that figure pales in comparison to Munich's & PyeongChang's 2018 figures. N what happens when they lose a 2022 bid, then that's even more money for a 2026 bid! And then only another 1.5 billion to host, lol.

Those silly Utahans. They need to stop smokin' whatever it is that they're smokin' over there, lol!

[Rols O'Bertilsson]

FYI, on 16 February 2012 - 11:27 PM, said:

Ummmm, I would like to know when this "exploratory committee" is going to finally start thinking outside the box. "Could" cost $10 million? Lmfao, okay!

Even no-chance Annecy had more than twice that to spend! And that figure pales in comparison to Munich's & PyeongChang's 2018 figures. N what happens when they lose a 2022 bid, then that's even more money for a 2026 bid! And then only another 1.5 billion to host, lol.

Those silly Utahans. They need to stop smokin' whatever it is that they're smokin' over there, lol!

Well, it IS SLC. They're probably used to the 2002 campaign and having two account books - the public one and the real one.

[SwissO]

The say "probably would & more than"...

Another Salt Lake City bid for a Winter Olympics probably would cost more than $10 million

FYI, on 16 February 2012 - 11:27 PM, said:

Ummmm, I would like to know when this "exploratory committee" is going to finally start thinking outside the box. "Could" cost $10 million? Lmfao, okay!

Even no-chance Annecy had more than twice that to spend! And that figure pales in comparison to Munich's & PyeongChang's 2018 figures. N what happens when they lose a 2022 bid, then that's even more money for a 2026 bid! And then only another 1.5 billion to host, lol.

Those silly Utahans. They need to stop smokin' whatever it is that they're smokin' over there, lol!

[Gangwon]

SwissO, on 17 February 2012 - 01:24 AM, said:

The say "probably would & more than"...

Another Salt Lake City bid for a Winter Olympics probably would cost more than $10 million

LOL exactly. It'll "probably" cost more than $100 too!

[Lord David]

Heck a ceremony program alone would cost more than 10 million, unless of course they want to rehash the 2002 ceremony.

Any Salt Lake proposal will be greater than 2002. Rice-Eccles Stadium for example would see a proper upgrade to individual all seater and possible additional seating to break attendance records. I'd expect a more compact bid that might eliminate some venues used in 2002 and perhaps a replacement for the Jon M. Huntsman Center, which would definitely make it at least half a billion.