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[Alexjc]

Reply to 'Oakydoky'
Wooo, someone's got their monthly!

oakydoky, on 14 January 2012 - 06:26 PM, said:

You say "likes of you are pretty much angering a growing portion of our once mellow *harmogenous population." -- you sound like a right arse saying that. Here's a tip -- if your population is so pissed with people coming to your country and working for a living and thus HELPING your country, then maybe those people who are oh so pissed should step up to the mark. Scotguy is doing a job which evidently people in your country are happy for him to do otherwise he wouldn't have been employed. Simples.

I have no problem with the likes of non citizens working here, a great Overseas Experience work holiday and the likes...However as in Scotguy's case, making offensive comments about our nation's leadership and political parties is simply not on...keep it to yourself . From the many UK people I encounter (my job is a face the people kind) who have settled here either as permanent residence or passing through on work experience (like Scotguy), I get a vibe of a sense of old imperial entitlement - as if it's their right...And I know you all feel the same about us lowly ex-colonials working over there (Enoch Powel anyone?). Scotguy did make slanderous comments about NZs current Prime Minister and has admitted he wants to have a more active role in NZs political system which he is not really entitled to even as a non-voter - and yet maintain a hands on role in Scottish politics - which is fine by me. I can't define his spectrum leaning as he seems to lean to the left in his comments regarding our politics yet fully support the SNP which seems more far-right...

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Scotguy, just dismiss nonsense like Alex has just said. As his post shows, he's got a vendetta against you and has decided to contrive some attack on you. You set up a thoroughly decent topic which the adults here were discussing before Alex/Mein Fuhrer decided to play the "you ppl taking our jobs is angering our nation" card.

I doubt that I have a vendetta against Scotguy - although I will admit that this page's topic irked me and reminded me of what he said back then...and he did join in on the NZ Election thread...

Calling me Mein Fuhrer? just after saying 'the adults here'?

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p.s. You meant to say homogenous. I take it that your homogenous country is oh so pissed with the non-white natives too?

This, I will take issue with...What do you really know about NZ anyway...I was at school when we still had it rammed down our throats about UK history even before we learned about our own...'Oh yes we had a few Maori skirmishes' before the all fabled Treaty of Waitangi...But it was only in the 1990's when we finally learned about just how long (up to 1919) and what a bloodbath the 'NZ Civil War' was...and what do you know - the most ruthless soldiers fighting here were - Scottish Highland Regiments! Learning about my Father's side (he's part Maori) and my Mothers side (she's white, oh and her grandfather was - gosh - Scottish!) is tough to ballance. And I try to keep it harmogenous, like my parents have tried. Yes I get peeved with 'the non-white natives' claming everything instead of actually doing something...but I also thank my Mothers side for modernity as well.

...Oh yes and as for that vendetta thing?...I have one now... ...MATE!!!

Edited by Alexjc, 17 January 2012 - 03:35 AM.

[RobH]

Ignore Oaky, I have been for weeks. Everything comes down to a vendetta or an attack. He's a troll who's happy to attack other posters himself, and who the mod is well aware of.

Your perception of the SNP is quite amusing. I don't like them at all, but they are a left-wing party, with tax-and-spend policies. They align themselves against the Tories, especially now there is a Tory government in the UK. And your perception of what we think of foreign workers is also funny; referencing Enoch Powel. I suspect we have exactly the same debates you have, there's certainly no single view on immigration in the UK, and the notion that imperialism plays a part is something in your own mind. For the most part, with Australian and New Zealand workers, we wonder what the attraction is of a wet island in Northern Europe when they could be on the beach.

I don't see why you'd have a problem with Soctguy saying things against your Prime Minister either. He doesn't have the right to vote, but everyone has the right to an opinion.

[Alexjc]

I'm not sure about the positioning of the SNP...I consider all separatist movements to the right in/of their respective philosophies, wherever they be Tory or Proliteriat. I suppose I could use the word 'Extreme'? - it just sounds harsh . All I know is that when Scotland finally gets independence, it will take a lifetime to divi up UK resources to ballance things.

As for the comments about our PM, well I've met the man on about six occasions, three as PM. I find him to be fair and level headed, and so at ease with people. I guess I just took real offence. Look, there are positives with the Commonwealth, beyond a four yearly sports fest, but in my heart it is becomming less relevent now in a global sense of things...As for Scotland becomming independant, well that's just one more nail in imperialisim's coffin isn't it?

Edited by Alexjc, 17 January 2012 - 03:48 PM.

[arwebb]

That, of course, is assuming you believe our friends north of the border will vote for independence when they get the chance to do so. Personally, I'm not convinced they will, but I suspect we will debate that in some detail over the coming years.

[Olympian2004]

I'm a member of the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) since 2002 -- but I've been active as a member only for the first three years. Then I realised that pursueing politics actively is just not my cup of tea and got more critical of party politics in general. Now I only pay my membership fee and that's it. However, I still feel connected to the social democratic idea and quitting my membership wouldn't change anything about my political opinion. So I thought, "Then I can as well stay in the party and thereby show my support for that idea, even as a passive member."

And now that we have such an awful government of Christian Democrats and Liberal Democrats, I feel even more connected to my party and its policy.

[Mainad]

Alexjc, on 17 January 2012 - 05:54 AM, said:

As for Scotland becomming independant, well that's just one more nail in imperialisim's coffin isn't it?

Scotland becoming independent or not has nothing to do with 'imperialism'. You seem to be a bit obsessed with that topic!.
The Scottish parliament voted of its own free will to merge with the English parliament in 1707 and hence form the nation of Great-Britain. The Scots will have the right to reverse that decision if they wish if and when a referendum takes place (although,like arwebb, I doubt they will do so).

[Mainad]

I am not a registered voter of any party. As a British voter, mine is mostly a case of knowing who I will never vote for, not so long as they remain in their present form anyway, and that is the Conservative Party.

I am slightly left-of-centre in my political outlook and always have been and always will be. Overt shows of nationalism and 'Little Englandism' are anathema to me and unfortunately they are the two main qualities represented by the 'modern' Conservative Party ever since Margaret Thatcher took them down that road and they have been getting steadily more narrow-minded and right-wing ever since!

Therefore my choice is always between the Labour Party and the Liberals despite never being entirely happy with either. Generally I will vote for Labour in General Elections and Liberal for local ones but can be persuaded to switch positions. But I'm afraid it would take a dramatic reform of principles and outlook before I could ever contemplate voting for the Conservatives!

Edited by Mainad, 22 January 2012 - 12:14 PM.

[KRATK]

I'm not registered to any party.
When I was younger, I worked very close to some people of the Christian Democratic Party (PDC) and, in fact, I've voted for all their candidates in local and parliamentary elections.
Currently, I'm not really OK with a lot of the politics of the PDC so I'm leaning more towards more leftist-liberal parties like the Socialist Party (PS).
And in past University elections, I was supporting the candidates of the Youth Communist Party.
In general, I more identified with the Concertación alliance of parties (including the PDC and the PS) and probably will rally for Michelle Bachelet if she is coming back for next Presidential elections.
The only thing I'm sure is that I will never vote for the right-Pinochetist parties, currently governing the country.

[Alexjc]

Mainad, on 22 January 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

I am not a registered voter of any party. As a British voter, mine is mostly a case of knowing who I will never vote for, not so long as they remain in their present form anyway...

Haa...Brilliant!