paul Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Can't we talk more about how this affect US hosting future games? I supported Romney partly because of his salt lake experience, and how that might be a positive if the US put forward a candidate for games during his term. I voted for experience, and moderation. Would have been nice to have a big family in the White House again too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krow Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 There is no vision how we recover. to be fair, that was going to be a true statement regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 That's why I hate it when people don't agree with one's opinion! Gridlock and lockjaw!! Nothing gets done. Isn't that just deplorable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durban Sandshark Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 What I really should've said with that video is "Don't blame you if you won't watch it in full". I voted for Jill Stein from the Green Party as a write-in candidate, whose prinicples I'm more in a political wavelength with. Anyway, more of the wingnuts are coming out on their Twitter accounts. With a racist bent here. What's sad is that lots of them here are from young people, high schooled aged and in HS sports even, who, as part of the most multiracial and multicultural generation America has ever produced, are supposed to be more accepting and tolerant of Obama (or even the Socialist Paty USA's Stewart Alexander) being in the White House. Many thankfully are, though. This virtiol just feeds the yearning for fascism. I hope their lives are ruined for their chilling ignorance. http://jezebel.com/5...tting-reelected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soaring Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 I have seen quite a few freak outs on facebook these last 48 hours. I was actually pretty surprised by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 I have seen quite a few freak outs on facebook these last 48 hours. I was actually pretty surprised by it. Funny, my Facebook feed yesterday morning consisted almost entirely of "Just woken up and turned on the news. Thank **** for that!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Funny, my Facebook feed yesterday morning consisted almost entirely of "Just woken up and turned on the news. Thank **** for that!!" Yep, most of the messages and comments to me was on the lines of "thank God for that!" (though, admittedly, most of my friends are leftys like me). Anyway, this has been generating a lot of amusement down here: Fail: Anti-Obama teen wants to move to Australia because we have 'Christian, male president' BARACK Obama's "four more years'' victory tweet may have become the most retweeted message of all time, but last night one American teenager's misguided views on Australia were lighting up the twittersphere down under. Clearly disappointed with the election result, 18-year-old Georgia republican Kristen Neel joined the throngs of American Twitter users claiming they were moving to Australia to escape Obama's presidency. Unfortunately, she got a few facts wrong. "I'm moving to Australia, because their president is a Christian and actually supports what he says,'' she tweeted. Neel's tweet quickly went viral as bemused Aussies retweeted it more than 1400 times, many pointing out that Australia actually has an atheist, female Prime Minister. "Our Prime Minister is a woman, an atheist who lives with a man she hasn't married. I don't think you'd like it here,'' tweeted Ian Cuthbertson, TV editor at The Australian. "I think you meant Antarctica. Move there,'' tweeted @post_rock0. "Congratulations on being the dumbest person in the world,'' tweeted @Patrickavenell. Neel's Twitter account has since been disabled. Neel was just one of dozens of Americans who tweeted that they were moving to Australia in the wake of Obama's win. Buzzfeed helpfully collated 37 of the best into one spot. The mass of American republicans eager to head Down Under prompted several memes in response, including this one, which helpfully gives them a lesson in what Australia is about. Courier Mail By the way, one of those replies to her shown above was from a good mate of mine, who's actually also a signed up member here (only to get back at me for signing up to one of his favourite boards). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durban Sandshark Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 I hesitate to grant these ignorant American idiots credit. But many of us Americans aren't knowledgeable about Australia. Sir Rols, Australia and New Zealand aren't really taught in our schools much at all. BTW, if Kristen Neel ever sets foot in Sydney, Melbourne, Perth, Brisbane, she would be blindsided by the sight of those massive Asian communities--like the Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Filipinos, Malaysians, South Asians, and Indonesians. ...And Australia is perhaps, by far, the most progressive English-speaking Western nation out there. They won't enjoy it and libel laws are more stringent there than it is here in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 I hesitate to grant these ignorant American idiots credit. But many of us Americans aren't knowledgeable about Australia. Sir Rols, Australia and New Zealand aren't really taught in our schools much at all. Oh, we're used to that - everyone's got anecdotes about being asked "what language do we speak" or "how long does it take to drive there from California". But still amusing she got it sooooo wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krow Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 ...And Australia is perhaps, by far, the most progressive English-speaking Western nation out there. that's a dangerous statement to make on a canadian message board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 that's a dangerous statement to make on a canadian message board. I think it's true though. Australia is far more liberal than Canada. Wasn't there recently a story about religion being "extinct" in Australia. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I think it's true though. Australia is far more liberal than Canada. Wasn't there recently a story about religion being "extinct" in Australia. ? Hmmm. Depends on the area. Once you get out of the major cities it can get pretty redneck in parts. Religion? I think I've seen it creep into public discussion, and politics, a bit more in recent years. And we have our evangelicals - the Hillsong movement ( do you have them in the States?) grew out of Sydney's western suburbs, in the Hills District, sorta our Bible Belt. But, no, on the whole we're not very religious, and it's influence doesn't seem as strong as in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainad Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Wasn't there recently a story about religion being "extinct" in Australia?. This reminds me of our former PM Tony Blair who once wanted to finish an address to the nation with the words, "God bless Britain" in the style of American presidents. He reported that his civil servants all leant heavily on him to persuade him not to do so and, when later asked about Blair's religious beliefs, his chief PR spokesman, Alastair Campbell famously replied, " We don't do God!" Hmmm. Depends on the area. Once you get out of the major cities it can get pretty redneck in parts. Rural areas are always more conservative than the more cosmopolitan cities. That's pretty much the case anywhere I think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krow Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 This reminds me of our former PM Tony Blair who once wanted to finish an address to the nation with the words, "God bless Britain" in the style of American presidents. He reported that his civil servants all leant heavily on him to persuade him not to do so and, when later asked about Blair's religious beliefs, his chief PR spokesman, Alastair Campbell famously replied, " We don't do God!" god save the queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durban Sandshark Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Oh, we're used to that - everyone's got anecdotes about being asked "what language do we speak" or "how long does it take to drive there from California". But still amusing she got it sooooo wrong. Forgive me partially on the hestitation bit. That said, we American citizens seriously need to know about other nations and cultures big and small from Russia to Equatorial Guinea. If the schools can't do that with the citizens, we MUST do that on our own by reading encyclopedias, almanacs, atlases (we're pitiful in geography), legit online sources, reading its media (even if its English language newspapers). We need to know its governments, languages, culture, laws, media, cities, finance, etc.--and stay on that for years. Here, unless you go online, we don't get much news about Australia or New Zealand in the mainstream news outlets. Many Americans unfortunately lack the curiousity and the initative to go beyond what's normally offered within the American narrow confines. Also, many lack the time and discipline to accomplish this. That's sad to me, and I think that will lead to our downfall as citizens. Hell, a good number of us don't even know our state capitals or our Supreme Court justices. As for my statement on Australia being more liberal than Canada, I base my impression on this: if you take away predominantly French-speaking Quebec. the most socially progressive province in Canada, from it, it won't be as liberal than Australia. But Canada, with or without Quebec, is definitely getting there. It has a much stronger social democratic tradition than the US, has been involved in peacekeeping mission in the UN, funds the arts more, emphasizes its multicutluralism in its institutions and everyday life and the US is far more heterogenous, not as individualistic as the US, and signed international treatries that are more or less enforced (some are threatened by the Harper Government, though). Oftentimes, it's a regional thing there. British Columbia is liberal, especially the Greater Vancouver area and Victoria, with the Pacific Northwest region alligned with Washington and Oregon. Ontario is centrist-liberal even with more progressive and multicultural Toronto as its center, then Ottawa, Hamilton, and the smaller cities like London, Kingston, Kitchener-Waterloo, Windsor, Guelph, Barrie, and Thunder Bay. Manitoba has been to be liberal at times--currently has a NDP premier--with Winnipeg having a large Aboriginal Canadian community. But the Prairie provinces, of Manitoba is a part of with Alberta and Saskatchewan, tend to be more rural and conservative and vote for the Conservative party like they did last year, though in Edmonton, Calgary, Saskatoon, and Regina have been known to get liberal and progressive in pockets. Rols, don't forget Sir Johannes Bjelke-Petersen "Joh", that notable Queensland premier, who stood for "Christian values" up to 1987 was ultra conservative. Queensland is only now emerging from that conservatism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 god save the queen. Good point. The UK is a country with a religious history, a Head of State who is also the head of the Church of England, and the only other country in the world beside Iran (!) that has reserved places for Clergy in its Upper House. Yet any politician who uses religion or relgious arguments is likely to not get very far. We act like a secular country within an rigid, institutionally religious system The US on the other hand is a nation with a secular founding, proud of its separation of Church and state, has a strong sense of freedom of speech and religion. Yet religion - nay, one religion, Christianity - punctuates its politics more than in any other Western nation. It has religion very much at the heart of much of its political and cultural dialogue, yet its an institutionally secular country. It's an odd paradox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durban Sandshark Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Religion is far more robust here than any of the Western nations, you're so correct RobH. It's why we have such divisive debates regarding abortion and stem cell research. Our dominant Anglo-American heritage is more Protestant with a Calvinstic bent, though nowdays since the modern era it's incorporated Catholicism and Judaism. Hence "the Judeo-Christian values" you hear from mostly conservative leaders in their need to keep America frozen in time politically, economically, and socially. With that, we see Christianity and capitalism go hand in hand in rhetoric at least. It's also why we hear this falsehood from Christian conservatives who don't think at all or get their facts straight that our founders were Christian when they were actually deists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durban Sandshark Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 BTW, Kristen Neel since deleted her Twitter account when she inaudated with Tweets reminding her of her confused ignorance. If apartheid still exited in South Africa, which we all should be glad that it isn't, I would suggest Kristen should move there. It had a President and earlier (until 1984) a PM who professed to be Christian (from the Dutch Reformed Church) but the government and its system was evil to many of its people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Well, I guess some of those Republicans who want out of the US could end up here in Calgary. Of course, they have to check their "conservative credentials" at home, before trying to attempt to emigrate to Canada as a whole. Alberta's version of conservatism is less virulent than what American Republicans call theirs and this province is supposed to be the "extreme conservative" one in Canada. But, they could end up voting for Wildrose Alliance and bring the province back to the 1970s socially and the 1930s politically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian2004 Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 So, Mitt, our Olympics worked out just fine. How was your election campaign? Another fine example for British humour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian2004 Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 My God, I am terrified of this woman. We all should be. She's like this unhinged teacher scorching on her students. Time to put the likes of her under serious indictment. A gulag would be nice. Don't you if you want to watch this in full. Fascism loves people like her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLoqti0lzAw I have to say I have just watched three-and-a-half minutes of it and am already laughing my a** off. People like her are the reason why the Republicans have such difficulties returning to the White House. The Republican Party now has those crazy, hate-filled Tea Party nutjobs on its coat-tails, and for the moment, that keeps enough people from voting for them all the way. Addendum: I now have reached 8:10 in the video. That "lady" even complains about that she had chips and cheese dip for supper because she hadn't the feel to have the time to make something else. I think that moment shows best what the Tea Party of those other right-wing extremists are all about: They pour all their frustrations in life into one single message: The liberals and especially Obama are to blame for everything that is going wrong in our lives, including the fact that we don't have the time to eat something different than chips and cheese dip and because of that, we grow to the size of a house or a van. Miserable, miserable people. And practically they show exactly the same mindset that led to the rise of the Nazis and the persecution of Jews in my country and other parts of Europe: Rage, completely undifferentiated rage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Addendum: I now have reached 8:10 in the video. That "lady" even complains about that she had chips and cheese dip for supper because she hadn't the feel to have the time to make something else. I think that moment shows best what the Tea Party of those other right-wing extremists are all about: They pour all their frustrations in life into one single message: The liberals and especially Obama are to blame for everything that is going wrong in our lives, including the fact that we don't have the time to eat something different than chips and cheese dip and because of that, we grow to the size of a house or a van. Don't forget she's been forced to drown her anger with her Butterscotch schnapps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Did people even listen to the whole 24 minutes? I mean after 1.5 minutes, it was just going to be a total waste of time for me; a total assault on my hearing and on my equilibrium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Did people even listen to the whole 24 minutes? I mean after 1.5 minutes, it was just going to be a total waste of time for me; a total assault on my hearing and on my equilibrium. Yeah, I have listened to the lot (must've been bored at work on Friday). But, yes, totally agree, you hear it all after the first 2-3 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Yeah, this isn't going to happen: http://www.examiner.com/article/15-states-including-texas-have-filed-a-petition-to-secede-from-the-united-states-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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