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[intoronto1125]

Sir Rols, on 08 February 2012 - 09:13 PM, said:

Whatever - it will always be a topic for debate, and there's probably no right answer. Personally, I'd count the Asiad, the numbers are clear with that. Olympic qualifying at the Pan Ams still doesn't attract the USA's best, or get them much broadcasting attention there.

And, yeah, Baron's right earlier (I remember when we all thrashed this out years ago) - on sheer numbers, the Gay Games actually beats even the Olympics.

The USA does not send its best athletes in swimming athletics etc. which are sports which are not olympic qualifiers. Field hockey, Water polo, modern pentathlon etc. send their best athletes.

The fact is the reason why the Asian games have 9000+ athletes is there is no qualification involved, hence anyone can compete for ex. Maldives women's basketball team which lost by 122 points at the Asian Games. Fact is they likely would not have qualified.

[Rols O'Bertilsson]

intoronto1125, on 08 February 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

The USA does not send its best athletes in swimming athletics etc. which are sports which are not olympic qualifiers. Field hockey, Water polo, modern pentathlon etc. send their best athletes.

The fact is the reason why the Asian games have 9000+ athletes is there is no qualification involved, hence anyone can compete for ex. Maldives women's basketball team which lost by 122 points at the Asian Games. Fact is they likely would not have qualified.

Mate, you're Canadian and they're in your home town, of course you'd like the think they're the second biggest show on earth. Fair enough. But I just can't think of any criteria where they could have any claim to "sloppy seconds". Internationally, I really do think the Asiads are a bigger deal, but as I said, it's all to do with perceptions - I don't think you can come up with a "correct" answer. It's almost as futile as that other "big" debate - the world's biggest sports event full stop - Olympics or FIFA WC?

Edited by Sir Rols, 08 February 2012 - 09:36 PM.

[intoronto1125]

Sir Rols, on 08 February 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

Mate, you're Canadian and they're in your home town, of course you'd like the think they're the second biggest show on earth. Fair enough. But I just can't think of any criteria where they could have any claim to "sloppy seconds". Internationally, I really do think the Asiads are a bigger deal.

To add the Asian Games had 42 sports vs 36 in the Pan American Games.

If you think of it when the 2014 Asian games have 36 sports and if they have qualification both events should have the same amount of athletes.

With that said both these events are close third behind the Olympics and the Commonwealth Games which are truly international events.

[deawebo]

For reals there is not qualification for an Asian?? THAT'S UNFAIR hahaha

[baron-pierreIV]

deawebo, on 08 February 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

For reals there is not qualification for an Asian?? THAT'S UNFAIR hahaha

Why? All the confederations have different ways to decide on their qualifiers. Nothing is cut-&-dried in the world, even more so in sports.

@intoronto... Further, the Asians are the quadrennial of what? some 3.5 billion people in the world; half the planet. The PanAms represent only like 850-900 million people -- about 1/7th of the world. So how can the latter even come close to the former in that regard?

Edited by baron-pierreIV, 09 February 2012 - 08:08 AM.

[Gangwon]

I agree, it's hard to deny the appeal of the Asian Games when one of the sporting superpowers of the world takes part in it, and takes part in it seriously.

[afiqnadzir]

its depend on where do you live..in asia,we are not familiar with pan am,and we think asian games is 2nd largest games behind olympic in the number of participant, audience,sport,medal,country,media and it more succesful..


ASIAN GAMES
country participation 45
sport 44
summer games 16
winter games 7times


PAN AM GAMES
country participation 42
sport 36

summer games 16
winter games 1

[tikus_kecil]

deawebo, on 08 February 2012 - 08:36 PM, said:

Mmmm Indonesia... Perhaps they'll need to showcase more Surabaya (forgive me if it's misspeled ) but i like the idea of not going with the capital city but a provincial one... ¡Arriba la descentralización! *sorry i dont know the english word for that...

Why we don't propose Jakarta as our candidate, it's simple, because we won't win the bid if we insist with Jakarta, Jakarta has a traffic jam problem, pollutant problem, over-population problem and a lot of more, while Surabaya is more friendly than Jakarta, other than that, I think Indonesia try to de-centralize the sport centre, last sea games hosted by Palembang, next ISG will be held in Pekanbaru, even once there is rumour that Indonesia wants to bid YOG with Bali/Jakarta

[intoronto1125]

baron-pierreIV, on 09 February 2012 - 02:14 AM, said:

Why? All the confederations have different ways to decide on their qualifiers. Nothing is cut-&-dried in the world, even more so in sports.

@intoronto... Further, the Asians are the quadrennial of what? some 3.5 billion people in the world; half the planet. The PanAms represent only like 850-900 million people -- about 1/7th of the world. So how can the latter even come close to the former in that regard?

I am no denying the Asian Games are the biggest in terms of athletes, sports. But you have to look at the fact the Asian Games have no qualification making it have some athletes and teams that have no business being there. The Pan Ams are qualification in every sport and after to the Olympics so it is a more prestigious event for some sports and is more important then the Asian Games.

[tikus_kecil]

^^ I agree with afiq, it's depend on where are you come from... If you are an asian, of course asian games is between 2nd / 3rd important event, right after FIFA World cup, Summer Olympic, then the Asiad, or simply after Olympic then Asiad, there is no PanAm in Asian minds, but if you are american, of course there is no Asian games in your mind