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[RobH]

That's completely beside the point. Madrid seems to have broken the rules which bidding cities agree to abide by.

[oakydoky]

That's completely beside the point. Madrid seems to have broken the rules which bidding cities agree to abide by.

Well, if that transpires then Rio is justified to complain. However, on a personal level, I do agree with what the Madrid official said about Rio regardless of if it broke the rules or not.

[Cinderella]

That's completely beside the point. Madrid seems to have broken the rules which bidding cities agree to abide by.

Rob

It seems quite hipocritical to disregard Madrid by this when all of you have ignored the mayor Daley comments about the World Cup in Brazil. Stop using your usual double standard with all related to the Spanish bid. And that's not completely beside the point: it is the point indeed.

[DNIT]

Rob

It seems quite hipocritical to disregard Madrid by this when all of you have ignored the mayor Daley comments about the World Cup in Brazil. Stop using your usual double standard with all related to the Spanish bid. And that's not completely beside the point: it is the point indeed.

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Rio’s Bid Breakes The Rules Of The IOC. See Below The Evidence.
Setembro 30, 2009
The text below is a reproduction of the e-mail sent from the Brazilian Ambassador in Switzerland to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Brasília D.F. It goes like this:

“ Re.: Visit Nuzman Switzerland Nuzman 22/09

I follow the instructions. I personally delivered today, September 22nd, to Mr. Jean-Franco Kasper, suisse member of the IOC, the letter that was addressed to him by His Excellency the President of the Republic, related to the Olympic Games 2016.

Kasper is president of the Sky International Federation (FIS), with its headquarters at Oberhofen am Thunersee, small city in Berna Canton. This week, however, he was dealing with events of his organization at Hilton Hotel at the airport of Zurich, to where I went to deliver the letter. Kasper receuved me with great simpathy at the support office of FIS and informed me that the president of the Brazilian Olympic Committe, Carlos Arthur Nuzman, will visit him tomorrow, at the same place, probably to discuss the Ri0 21016 candidacy.”

This in only one single example of how Rio broke the IOC rules. I have many of the internal messages like this one. Several Members refused to receive the letter personally since they say that the rules of the IOC do not allow this. Other Members received either the Ambassador, or people of the BID. It is clear that the bid members cannot visit the voters. Is Rio being to be punished?
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Will then Rio be out of the run also?

[RobH]

Rob

It seems quite hipocritical to disregard Madrid by this when all of you have ignored the mayor Daley comments about the World Cup in Brazil. Stop using your usual double standard with all related to the Spanish bid. And that's not completely beside the point: it is the point indeed.

Daley's point was a fact; the world cup is a different kettle of fish to an Olympic games - he might have worded it better but what he said really wasn't all that bad. The quote attributed to Madrid completely undermines the rules of the process, there's absolsutely no grey area in calling one of your rival's the "worst".

Besides which, Rio 2016 seem to agree. They didn't, as it turned out, lodge a complaint against Chicago. They seem to have done so in this case if this story is to be believed.

I don't have double standards towards Madrid and never have. I couldn't care enough about them or their bid to hold double standards if I'm honest! They're so far out of the picture as far as this race is concerned that I have no reason to kick them while they're down.

Edited by RobH, 30 September 2009 - 01:15 PM.

[Cinderella]

Daley's point was a fact; the world cup is a different kettle of fish to an Olympic games - he might have worded it better but what he said really wasn't all that bad. The quote attributed to Madrid completely undermines the rules of the process, there's absolsutely no grey area in calling one of your rival's the "worst".

Besides which, Rio 2016 seem to agree. They didn't, as it turned out, lodge a complaint against Chicago. They seem to have done so in this case if this story is to be believed.

I don't have double standards towards Madrid and never have. I couldn't care enough about them or their bid to hold double standards if I'm honest! They're so far out of the picture as far as this race is concerned that I have no reason to kick them while they're down.

Voilà... you couldn't care less about Madrid, and that's why you have not been objective regarding to its bid since moment zero

[stir.ts]

Madrid speaks the truth, Rio may win but it's going to be a new class of execution.
But it sure is pretty at the beach, in the good areas.

[RobH]

Voilà... you couldn't care less about Madrid, and that's why you have not been objective regarding to its bid since moment zero

Righty ho. I've hardly spoken about Madrid other than to say the geopolitics doesn't favour them - something which is widely accepted. And if you look in the other thread on this subject (the big 12 page one) you'll see I've been defending Madrid 2016 against Rio supporters who claim their bid is technically superior to it. How does that fit into your little theory about my views on Madrid eh?

I explained my stance on the comment aimed at Rio and why it differs from those made by Daley, as you asked me to. If you disagree, maybe you can explain why rather than questioning my objectivity.

Edited by RobH, 30 September 2009 - 02:52 PM.

[Cinderella]

Righty ho. I've hardly spoken about Madrid other than to say the geopolitics doesn't favour them - something which is widely accepted. And if you look in the other thread on this subject (the big 12 page one) you'll see I've been defending Madrid 2016 against Rio supporters who claim their bid is technically superior to it. How does that fit into your little theory about my views on Madrid eh?

I explained my stance on the comment aimed at Rio and why it differs from those made by Daley, as you asked me to. If you disagree, maybe you can explain why rather than questioning my objectivity.

You are objective indeed in focusing on the pros & cons of every bid. That's true, right, and never intended to say anything different to this. But it's also true that geopolitics have biased you enough to not considering Madrid in anycase. My simple question would be... how will you react in the unlikely scene of a Madrid winning on Friday? Will you need oxygen?

[aluz]

The IOC has appointed an Evaluation Committee to assess the technical plans of the bids and the EC made a report with their findings. They assessed the WC issue and made remarks about it. They also evaluated the venues, the infrastructure and the bid committees and gave their opinion. Neither Mayor Daley or Odriozola are part of the EC. On the contrary, both are linked to one of the competing parties. So,they should mind their own bids and bet on their strengths instead of bashing the others. If their bids are so good, they don't have to discredit the others.