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[Tutankamon]

Who will vote Madrid in Denmark???? who u think will vote them in a 90-100%??? ( lets enjoy till the dayyy D )



I think some European Countries and north africans a,d a few asians!

[Rafa]

all those who owe both samaranch favours.

[baron-pierreIV]

But it's a secret ballot, so how would the S's know?

[Rafa]

if you're the godfather of the IOC..you just know.

madrid did not lead one round in singapore because 33 ioc members actually wanted the games to go to madrid over cities like NY London Paris

[Sir Rols]

I think some European Countries

I wouldn't count on them getting all the European votes if the likes of France, Germany, etc have their own Olympic 2020 hopes.

[Pure facts]

madrid did not lead one round in singapore because 33 ioc members actually wanted the games to go to madrid over cities like NY London Paris

And why would that be so impossible to imagine?

Great technical plan (the only minus compared to London and Paris was accommodation but I don't think the average IOC member pays too much attention to these details), smooth and low key campaign, an NOC President with excellent relationship with the rest of the Olympic Movement, great memories of the Barcelona Games.... That's more than enough for 33 members to actually decide that Madrid is a worthy host.

[Cinderella]

And why would that be so impossible to imagine?

Great technical plan (the only minus compared to London and Paris was accommodation but I don't think the average IOC member pays too much attention to these details), smooth and low key campaign, an NOC President with excellent relationship with the rest of the Olympic Movement, great memories of the Barcelona Games.... That's more than enough for 33 members to actually decide that Madrid is a worthy host.

Well... actually it is not impossible to figure it out: I think it will be the safest choice for any of the IOC members that will not feel very confortable with any of the three main favourites. There are reasons for the SOG not to be hosted again in Asia; also there are plenty of people which thinks that Chicago shouldn't be had the option of the USOC. Rio is perceived quite risky by some others... So maybe Madrid could appear an aseptic option for some of them.

By the way, I agree that Europe will not be the main source of votes for Madrid, because I can't see France, Germany or Italy voting for Madrid if they are planning some bid for 2020, 2024. Nevertheless, I think Greece, Cyprus and even other Mediterranean countries will vote for Madrid. Even maybe UK, who can't be careless about what happens after 2012 can send half of its votes to Spain and the other half to Chicago. The African vote will go either to Chicago or Madrid because they don't want Rio as the first new frontier city of this century, as they will lobby strongly for Capetown in 2020.

Latin America votes will not be travelling massively to Rio just because a matter of mere geography. Countries like Panama, Costa Rica are strongly linked with Spain more than with Brazil. Also, Buenos Aires have also fought to be the first South America host and I can't see it supporting a Rio bid. I'm not saying that the whole of the Latin votes will be for Madrid, but they will not vote as a bloke for Rio.

By the way, can someone say me if Puerto Rico can vote for the Chicago bid? I'm not sure.

[ChiTown16]

Well... actually it is not impossible to figure it out: I think it will be the safest choice for any of the IOC members that will not feel very confortable with any of the three main favourites. There are reasons for the SOG not to be hosted again in Asia; also there are plenty of people which thinks that Chicago shouldn't be had the option of the USOC. Rio is perceived quite risky by some others... So maybe Madrid could appear an aseptic option for some of them.

Alright -- Care to expand on this? Is this the "I've never been to Chicago but I heard that it's too dangerous because of Al Capone" block?



CHItown '16

[Cinderella]

Alright -- Care to expand on this? Is this the "I've never been to Chicago but I heard that it's too dangerous because of Al Capone" block?



CHItown '16

No, no! I really like Chicago. One of my favourite USA cities But I think it lacks some kind of international attraction that maybe San Francisco, New York has. I was not talking about the people itself, but some IOC members. I kinda think that Chicago is maybe perceived as Leipzig, Seville bids: "ok, you deserve to host, but please bid with the right city". Just my opinion

[baron-pierreIV]

No, no! I really like Chicago. One of my favourite USA cities But I think it lacks some kind of international attraction that maybe San Francisco, New York has. I was not talking about the people itself, but some IOC members. I kinda think that Chicago is maybe perceived as Leipzig, Seville bids: "ok, you deserve to host, but please bid with the right city". Just my opinion

Actually, you are wrong. The USOC settled on Chicago via a very analytical and scientific method. It commissioned NOT one, BUT TWO polls amongst international sports leaders, consultants and (the exact number is confidential) but around 60+ IOC members on their perceptions of the leading US city candidates for the 2016 round (so minus New York and LA.) Chicago came out on top twice, slightly ahead of San Francisco. So despite the perception that "Chicago" is not as continental as New York or San Francisco, apparently amongst a great number of people and parties who will matter in the October vote, "Chicago" was their pick.

Further, Chicago has the layout and existing infrastructure to present a rather compact Games while San Francisco (and New York) cannot get its major components for a winning bid, together.

And I believe the IOC members asked were those known NOT to be too favorable of the US. (I mean why ask your friends?) Now, whether some of those parties in the two polls purposely skewed their picks to throw off the whole USOC process, then that's another story entirely.

Edited by baron-pierreIV, 14 August 2009 - 10:08 AM.