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I have not much of a clue of the football politics between these countries, but I think it should just be up the players. I wouldn't want to miss out on the opportunity to be in the Olympics.

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It is pathetic this debate is still on-going six and a half years later, especially when other sports have no problems in recognising sometimes the Home Nations come together to compete, and especially when FIFA have recognised it and given the assurances needed. The FAs of Scotland, NI and Wales are being pathetic really and although their is an understandable distrust of FIFA (this weeks Poppy scandal hasn't been about rememberance at all, it's been about the FA vs FIFA), once they'd got the written assurance they should have no reason to object.

In stalling on the matter they've done themselves no favour by basically gifting the running of Team GB to the FA - that's the bigger threat to their existence rather than having players in the squad. I do think Team GB should simply be considered to be a "club", who can select players from the UK who wish to play.

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especially when FIFA have recognised it and given the assurances needed

I wouldn't trust their assuarances, I really wouldn't. I have a fair amount of sympathy for the other FAs here, but on the other hand not having a Team GB at 2012 would be unthinkable, especially for the women's game where this tournament is really important. If we had a strong clean international governing body not mired in scandal, this would have been sorted ages ago, I've no doubt.

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It is pathetic this debate is still on-going six and a half years later, especially when other sports have no problems in recognising sometimes the Home Nations come together to compete, and especially when FIFA have recognised it and given the assurances needed. The FAs of Scotland, NI and Wales are being pathetic really and although their is an understandable distrust of FIFA (this weeks Poppy scandal hasn't been about rememberance at all, it's been about the FA vs FIFA), once they'd got the written assurance they should have no reason to object.

In stalling on the matter they've done themselves no favour by basically gifting the running of Team GB to the FA - that's the bigger threat to their existence rather than having players in the squad. I do think Team GB should simply be considered to be a "club", who can select players from the UK who wish to play.

Back when the home nations of Scotland,Wales and Northern Ireland sent a joint letter to Fifa supporting England going it alone, the governing body of world football, Fifa had not given these nations assurances.

Thus, to extrapolate after the fact, that is, when the home nations made their position clear, that Fifa is trustworthy is not a logic I can or will agree with. Fifa, by definition runs as a democracy and as such, one man such as Septic Bladder cannot give such assurances.

Often lost in all this anti-Scots/Welsh/N.Irish diatribes is the extent to which a unified team GB could effectively ruin the tradition of the home nations and their individual teams. David Will, who was a Fifa vice-president warned Craig brown (former Scotland manager) about the negative consequences of unified Team GB from Fifa.

Right now, there's many nations seriously pissed off that the UK has four nations all competing separately and thus having influence within the football world.A team GB in 2012 might be the opportunity many within Fifa have been waiting for to end the traditions of UK football.

It's also worth noting that many in England are opposed to a Team GB aswell -- the Football Supporters Federation voted against a united GB team. The UK government, Seb Coe, Fifa or anyone for that matter cannot guarantee that a unified team GB in 2012 will not affect the future of football in the UK and that is the crux of the matter.

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Of course FIFA aren't trustworthy - but get the assurance and get it legally binding and they haven't got a leg to stand on. And if afterwards FIFA turn around and say it's Team GB or nothing - well, Scotland, Wales and NI won't be missing on anything, while England might as well not bother turning up to major tournaments anyway.

Another way around it I was thinking of was having the Premier League or Football League take on responsibilty for Team GB rather than the FA directly, taking the best Brits (clubs are willing to release) from the league so they're coming from clubs rather than countries.

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Of course FIFA aren't trustworthy - but get the assurance and get it legally binding and they haven't got a leg to stand on. And if afterwards FIFA turn around and say it's Team GB or nothing - well, Scotland, Wales and NI won't be missing on anything, while England might as well not bother turning up to major tournaments anyway.

Another way around it I was thinking of was having the Premier League or Football League take on responsibilty for Team GB rather than the FA directly, taking the best Brits (clubs are willing to release) from the league so they're coming from clubs rather than countries.

The only problem is that Sepp Blatter is part of a football democracy so to speak. And he can't control every member of Fifa. Further, future Fifa legislators cannot be held to this agreement (and it's not a legally binding agreement anyway and I'm not sure it can ever be). As recently as 2008, Sepp Blatter is on record as having issues with the UK's four individual team and their supposed 'special privileges'.

As for your remark that Scotland,Wales and N.Ireland won't be missing out on anything if a team GB were to become the norm, well, that's simply not true in my opinion. Their entire history of having sovereign football teams would be ended. And the dynamics of football culture in their respective countries would be forever gone.I think that's a huuuuuge deal.

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>> It's also worth noting that many in England are opposed to a Team GB aswell

As an outsider, I was wondering about that. I would seem the English have as much to lose as the other home nations, if not more so.

Again, as an outsider, it has always seemed a bit odd that the home nations compete seperatly. But it's understandable due to tradition, etc. Once you have a "Team GB" competing in a major international event, it becomes really hard to justify the home nation teams.

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Rugby League competes as the Lions on tour, but as individual home nations most of the rest of the time. Hockey has managed to put together a Team GB for the Games quietly and without fuss and without any suggestion that the Home Nations' statuses will the threated. And in a few years, when Team GB has to pick a side for Rugby 7s in Rio, watch as Rugby Union sorts things out sensibly and without any such fuss as well (and if there is a fuss it'll be because the RFU are in a bit of a shambles, not because anyone questions the notion of a one off Olympic Rugby team).

The Home Nations don't have to justify themselves to anyone in football. The first internationals were Scotland vs England, then the other Home Nations started playing; it was a while before the rest of the world decided they liked this international football lark. It's only because FIFA are a bunch of untrustworthy idiots that we're having this discussion.

As recently as 2008, Sepp Blatter is on record as having issues with the UK's four individual team and their supposed 'special privileges'.

Not that I trust Blatter but these privileges, I suspect, have more to do with the IFAB than than the fact that the teams are seperate. I can perfectly understand the rest of the world not liking the situation in the IFAB, the body which makes the laws of the game, where the British associatons control 4 of the 8 votes. I think that should certainly change and become more representative of the World Game. But I'm of a mind that that shouldn't happen without FIFA reforming itself first, cleaning itself up, getting into a state where the Scottish and Welsh FAs can trust their words.

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England players who take part in Euro 2012 will not be selected for Great Britain at the London 2012 Olympics.

Head coach Stuart Pearce, who had not initially ruled anyone out, described it as "a sensible football decision".

"We have agreed that any player who boards the plane to the European Championship will not be considered for selection to Team GB," he said.

Players from the Home Nations under consideration are being contacted to see if they are prepared to play.

The decision by the English Football Association will come as a relief to Premier League managers, who had voiced concerns about the demands on some of their young players.

The 18-man squad will comprise of 15 players under 23 but Arsenal's Jack Wilshere and Manchester United's Phil Jones and Chris Smalling could all go to the European Championship in Poland and Ukraine with England.

There are also three places available to "over-age" players.

Pearce added: "We have had discussions as we come now to notifying the long list of the players who could potentially be selected and it is important to make clear what we have agreed regarding England players who will be at Euro 2012.

"It's a sensible football decision when you consider the demands on players, and it now leaves no room for doubt for players and their clubs about next summer and the two major tournaments."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/16226745.stm

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seven players snub GB Olympic football interest as 184 realise opportunity

Only seven of the 191 players written to by the FA last month have ruled themselves out. They are from across the home nations, including at least one Englishman, and from a spread of clubs.

It is understood Giggs and Beckham, who could both be included as over-age players, have signalled their intention to be considered.

British Olympic Association communications director Darryl Seibel said: "This is an outstanding response and it confirms what we have believed all along, which is there is widespread interest among players in competing for Team GB at the London 2012 Games.

"Clearly, the players recognise just how special this opportunity is."

Players who wanted to be in the Team GB Player Pool, from which coach Stuart Pearce will pick his squad for the Olympics, did not need to provide a written response to the FA.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/9019825/London-2012-Olympics-seven-players-snub-GB-Olympic-football-interest-as-184-realise-opportunity.html

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Pink? :wacko:

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I guess then the football stadia will have pink look like the others have their own colour.

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Clubs ordered to release players for Olympics

FIFA has ordered clubs to release Under-23 players called up by their national teams for the Olympic Games soccer tournament.

The move, approved by the executive committee of world soccer's governing body on Friday, is potentially controversial as the competition is not part of the international match calendar and clubs already believe they are asked to release their players too often.

However, the executive committee softened the blow by agreeing to proposals from European clubs to reduce the number of international matches and set up an insurance scheme to compensate clubs when their players are injured playing for their countries.

"The executive decided that the release of under-23 players by the clubs shall be compulsory," FIFA said in a statement.

The 2008 Olympic soccer tournament was marked by a tug-of-war between Barcelona and Argentina over the release of Lionel Messi, which went to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS).

CAS ruled in Barcelona's favour but the Catalan club then decided to release him in any case and Argentina went on to win the tournament.

The Olympic soccer tournament, which clashes with the European pre-season, is restricted to Under-23 players although each team can field up to three over-age players.

The soccer tournament at London 2012 kicks off the competitive action at the Olympics on July 25.

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http://uk.eurosport....s-olympics.html

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FIFA is really a sick organization, how could they order the club to release U-23 players for olympic, while the olympic is starting right after the EURO ???? can't imagine, if Jack Wilshere play in EURO 2012 then London 2012....

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FIFA is really a sick organization, how could they order the club to release U-23 players for olympic, while the olympic is starting right after the EURO ???? can't imagine, if Jack Wilshere play in EURO 2012 then London 2012....

That might be FIFA's stance but in the case of England there's an agreement that no player who goes to the Euros will be picked for the Team GB Olympic team.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/european-championships-2012/8962497/Stuart-Pearce-Euro-2012-players-will-not-be-selected-for-Olympics-squad.html

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Sepp Blatter ready to skip Games football tournament draw at Wembley

Sepp Blatter is likely to be a notable absentee when the London 2012 football tournament draw takes place at Wembley on April 24, with the Fifa president ready to duck the chance to visit the source of his most persistent critics.

Blatter attended the draw for the last Olympic football tournament in strategically important China, but will leave the London draw to his general secretary, Jerome Valcke.

Blatter’s absence from a high-profile media event such as a major tournament draw is unusual, but does mean he will avoid further questions over Fifa’s ongoing reputational crisis.

His absence may be interpreted as a snub, as he is attending an event in Rome the previous evening, and Fifa confirmed on Tuesday that he is not scheduled to attend the London event, although he could yet change his mind.

Valcke will oversee the draw, as he did for the 2008 Olympics and the 2010 World Cup, with assistance from a number of celebrities being lined up by the London Organising Committee of the Olympic Games.

Unfortunately for Locog, hoping to use the draw to drive interest in the Olympic football tournaments and help shift 1.5 million unsold tournament tickets, David Beckham is unlikely to be among them.

The draw falls between LA Galaxy's Major League Soccer fixtures, but Beckham is still keen to be selected by Stuart Pearce as one of three over-age players in the 18-man under-23 squads.

The draw comes the day after the final qualifying match for the tournament, between Senegal and Oman at the Ricoh Arena, Coventry on the evening of the 23rd.

Locog was spared a public relations headache when Oman, coached by Paul Le Guen, defeated Uzbekistan to reach the final game at the expense of Syria.

The winners will join Team GB, South Korea, Japan, the UAE, Gabon, Morocco, Egypt, Mexico, Honduras, Brazil, Uruguay, New Zealand, Spain, Switzerland and Belarus in the final 16 for the tournament.

http://www.telegraph...at-Wembley.html

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Britain, Spain, Brazil, Mexico seeded

Hosts Britain, world champions Spain, Brazil and Mexico were named by FIFA as the top seeds for the men's Olympic soccer tournament on Monday, a day before the draw for the 16-team finals.

Britain, world champions Japan and defending champions the United States were named as the top three seeds in the women's competition.

The men's tournament comprises 16 teams in four first round groups, with Britain, taking part in their first Olympic finals since 1960, in Group A.

Mexico, the top-ranked team among the qualifiers from Asia, Africa, Oceania and their own CONCACAF region, were seeded in Group B.

Brazil, who have the best overall playing record in the Olympics despite never winning the gold medal, will head up Group C with Spain in Group D.

The women's competition comprises 12 teams in three groups with Britain playing in the very first event of the entire games on July 25, two days before the opening ceremony.

They will discover their opponents for the opening Group E match at Cardiff's Millennium Stadium when the draw is made on Tuesday.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/23042012/2/olympics-soccer-britain-spain-brazil-mexico-seeded.html

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just to clarify

the top three seeds in the women’s competition are: Britain, Japan and the United States

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Senegal are the 16th and final team to qualify for London 2012 after a 2-0 victory over Oman at Coventry today

On the men’s side, four groups of four will be drawn, while in the women’s section, the 12 competing sides will form three groups of four.

The pots for the men's draw will be:

Pot 1: Great Britain, Belarus, Spain and Switzerland

Pot 2: Brazil, Uruguay, Mexico and Honduras

Pot 3: Japan, Korea Rep, UAE and New Zealand

Pot 4: Egypt, Gabon, Morocco, Senegal

Seeded teams already a position in the final groups: Great Britain (as host), position A1; Mexico (CONCACAF qualifying champions), position B1; Brazil (CONMEBOL qualifying champions), position C1; and Spain (UEFA qualifying champions) position D1.

The pots for the women's draw will be:

Pot 1: Great Britain, France and Sweden

Pot 2: Cameroon, South Africa, Colombia

Pot 3: Japan, Korea DPR, and New Zeland

Pot 4: USA, Canada, Brazil

Seeded teams have already a position in the final groups: Great Britain (as host), position E1; Japan (reigning FIFA Women’s World Cup Champions) position F1; USA (top rank amongst all qualified teams & reigning Olympic champions), Position G1.

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Women’s Olympic Football Tournament

Draw in full

Group E: Great Britain, New Zealand, Cameroon, Brazil

Group F: Japan, Canada, Sweden, South Africa

Group G: USA, France, Colombia, Korea DPR

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Men’s Olympic Football Tournament

Group A: Great Britain, Senegal, UAE, Uruguay

Group B: Mexico, Korea Republic, Gabon, Switzerland

Group C: Brazil, Egypt, Belarus, New Zealand

Group D: Spain, Japan, Honduras, Morocco

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