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[Rols O'Bertilsson]

Well, they've had their humilation at the hands of the Rosbifs, but at least they have the UK out of the way now.
France's best strategy now would be to eliminate their continental summer rivals by supporting Euro winter games anywhere but France. They could probably count on Torino neutralising the Italian threat for a decade or so. Now they should support PyeongChang for 2014 and do everything in their power to encourage the Germans for 2018 in order to put Berlin out of the summer picture. I suppose that leaves the Spanish, but everyone except them realises that the Barcelona legacy effectively neutralises Spain for a few years more.
It's just these pesky mayors in the Alpes Maritimes that don't seem to get the big picture.

[memorabilia]

Stu, on Jan. 17 2006,12:39, said:

I really believe this would be a huge error by France - they should continue to concentrate on a Parisian bid for the Summer Games!

With an improved bid and a better presentation Paris would stand a better chance than almost any other city.  Both Athens and Beijing came back after being narrowly defeated in the final round of the competition when both had been expected to win.  The same would be true of Paris next time, as well as their usual support base they would get a large sympathy vote as a result of the 2012 campaign.  Whether in 2020 or 2024 Paris would be almost certainly guaranteed to win.  However, if France bid for the Winter Games with either Grenoble or Annency they will win that as their "compensation"  instead and any advantage to a Paris summer bid will be lost.

The French must decide what they want most, a Paris Summer Games or a provincial Winter Games, in my mind there is no contest - Paris MUST bid!

I think this is just a wish from some Cities (Grenoble, Annecy and may be Gap !).
But the french NOC (CNOSF) will never give the opportunity to bid in 2018 or after for winter games.
THEY want summer games in France and i think will promote a Paris Bid for 2020 or 2024.

[arwebb]

Stu, on Jan. 17 2006,06:39, said:

I really believe this would be a huge error by France - they should continue to concentrate on a Parisian bid for the Summer Games!

With an improved bid and a better presentation Paris would stand a better chance than almost any other city.  Both Athens and Beijing came back after being narrowly defeated in the final round of the competition when both had been expected to win.  The same would be true of Paris next time, as well as their usual support base they would get a large sympathy vote as a result of the 2012 campaign.  Whether in 2020 or 2024 Paris would be almost certainly guaranteed to win.  However, if France bid for the Winter Games with either Grenoble or Annency they will win that as their "compensation"  instead and any advantage to a Paris summer bid will be lost.

The French must decide what they want most, a Paris Summer Games or a provincial Winter Games, in my mind there is no contest - Paris MUST bid!

No doubt about that. Surely France has to go for a Summer Games first with Paris before it even considers another Winter bid.

[Cordelia18]

Again, you seem to have a particular in misunderstanding what I say. My opinion of France and of Paris bid is everything but low: that's why I said Paris deserved to win 2012. I said the WORLD had a low opinion of France and disregarded France so much that they would never consider any Paris candidature in very high esteem.

You are wrong when you say France wouldnt even get the winter games if she was really hated. Because the fact is - and this forum is a perfect illustration of it- that a very strong majority of people (unfortunately) consider that the olympic games ARE the summer games, and that the winter dont really matter much; therefore, giving to them to France wouldnt really matter either and I wouldnt even say it is a perfect occasion to get rid of French candidatures for summer.

I know France and the French mentality and I can tell you that the next candidature will be a winter one; that's a real shame for Paris but that would be great as well. We'll just refused to be scorned and humiliated again (very probably also deceived, but that's another debate eh?), and the people, who considered the 2012 candidature seriously, would just now laugh if you talked to them about another candidature. For normal people, one loss is ok and happens to anyone; two losses are possible, but three losses are hard to swallow for such a beautiful city like Paris, and are a clear message (which is: go bid on any planet, but not Earth).

Stu, you can already erase of your mind any possibilty of Paris bidding. Trust me.

[IceNarcissus]

Paris would be fine bidding after 2016. There's only so much a bid can do and when you achieve the quality like both London and Paris had for 2012 only one gets picke in the end. France has hosted a LOT of OGs in comparison to most nations and needs to take a few decades break after Albertville in order to build up appeal for either a SOG or WOG.

I fully recommend a 2020 bid. If some weird city wins 2016, a city like Paris could be a huge relief afterwards, and, if a reliable city wins 2016 and mostly weird ones go for 2020, Paris could be the saving grace. In fact, Paris should lobby for some weird city to win 2016 for that purpose and hope they get reciprocated support four years later.  

[RobH]

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My opinion of France and of Paris bid is everything but low: that's why I said Paris deserved to win 2012. I said the WORLD had a low opinion of France and disregarded France so much that they would never consider any Paris candidature in very high esteem.

If I didn't know better, I'd have thought London had won 104-0 in the final from reading this. Nearly half of the IOC regarded Paris and therefore France in very high esteem. Only 4 more voted for London - that's hardly an outright rejection of a Paris Summer Games in my opinion.

Paris got very close this time round and weren't humiliated by any means. The vote showed there was certainly an appetite for a Paris games within the IOC. I apologise in advance for the cliches but the ball is in your court and you've got to be in it to win it!

Personally, I agree with Stu that it'd be great to see a Paris games but, on the other hand, I'm not going to get het up if France doesn't put Paris forward again (and neither will the IOC) because there are plenty of very good cities wanting to host.

[arwebb]

Never mind the Anglo-Saxon conspiracy.

[arwebb]

In that case, let's hope for no Grenoble bid.

[memorabilia]

The French NOC has annouced last week than there will not be any winter bid before a summer vitory !

[hektor]

There are two countries which will never get the Games: France for the Summer Games, Sweden for the Winter Games. Just a kind of tradition for the IOC guys to have a little fun.