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  1. Congrats Santiago. About bloody time. Hubby just got back from Santiago - his first time home in 17 years. He said he was impressed by its development and improvement - it still has its problems, but those problems now are more of (slowly) rising affluence and inequality than of the widespread poverty he grew up with. So, a BA Olympic bid for 2030??? Good luck with that!
  2. I agree. It was also one of the few of Verbruggen's suggestions I disagreed with. Olympic-specific or prompted investment and improvements need not be burdens or blights, and the games can indeed be a spur for worthwhile projects. As many have noted, it's not Olympic investment that is a problem per se, but wasteful or extravagant Olympic spending. There's just as many examples of good Olympic planning and planning as there are bad, but it's of course the negative case studies that get the bulk of the attention in the media and popular thought.
  3. Isn't that up to the quality, popularity and voter appeal of Ukraine's song an artist entries?
  4. Actually, the Olympic opening to the world and legacy of Barcelona is something that's pretty well known and accepted by keen followers of the games (like the membership here). And just today on the Olympic website: PRAISE FOR BARCELONA’S OLYMPIC LEGACY AS CITY WELCOMES IOC’S OLYMPIC SOLIDARITY COMMISSION - 25 YEARS ON FROM THE GAMES. THE GAMES WERE A BOOST TO THE INTERNATIONALISATION AND THE OPENING OF BARCELONA AND CATALONIA TO THE WORLD For everyone else - Sorry for continuing the thread drift, but the timing of the IOC article was just too good to pass up.
  5. Who needs another Oz city to bid, when the bush now wants in on the action? They even have a logo
  6. Separate confederations. CONCACAF for North and Central America, CONMEBOL for South America.
  7. Exactly. The Homebush precinct in Sydney certainly took a decade or more to come to full fruition and achieve its potential. I've no idea about how London's Stratford is faring today, but I'd wager it too is a work in progress and the final verdict is stil in the future. And hence why I've been quick to answer back criticisms of Rio's "legacy" based on a few alarmist beat-up articles less than six months from the close of its games. There ARE lots of positive stories and legacies from the Olympics out there, but those stories are just struggling to gain any traction when there's alarmist, and often misleading or flat out wrong, tales out there to hog the limelight in the blogosphere. It's something I'm finding really disheartening at the moment, that sensible discussion in so many spheres is just being drowned out by manufactured outrage and disaffection. How can you have reasoned analysis in these days of 140 character sensation mongering?
  8. And yet, according to the story, the plan is not Olympic-dependent, but an acceleration of existing plans for Tokyo to emulate what they say is 100 per cent buried power lines in London, Paris and Hong Kong (and may I also add, similar to projects underway in Sydney by various councils to do exactly the same thing). I don't see how this can be casted as some diabolical Japanese-IOC plot to create a Potemkin village in Tokyo to hide the fact they are behind other cities in burying their power cables. And again, isn't it incumbent, or at the least incredibly desirable, that having won an Olympics, a city wants to ensure that the images that come out of it make it look at its best? Just basic common sense and ensuring you get the best value from your investment. In Sydney, for example, we DID end up burying those cables Ebersol objected to. And while we were already sprucing up the city for the games, it was decided to do side projects (which you won't ever find mentioned in the account books) to replace all the footpaths in the CBD to much prettier bluestone, a project hat caused huge disruptions to traffic and commerce the city in the mid 90s (much like the huge disruptions we have now pulling up our roads in the CBD to establish light rail lines). It was not Olympic-dependent, but definitely prompted by the Olympics to make central Sydney look much nicer. See, this is the type of problem the Olympic movement faces. You have a type of project that in any other time would be lauded as a nice piece of civic improvement, but in an Olympic city, where in the lead-up you have teas of media just looking for any negative angle they can find, you merely have to tack the word Olympic to the story to give it some sort of sinister connotation: "Look! They're tearing up power lines/footpaths/streetscapes just for the games! Think of the cost! Think of the hospitals and schools going begging!"
  9. Nothing new - NBC's Ebersol virtually ordered us to remove some power lines near Olympic Park to improve the TV images: NBC wants Sydney Olympic eyesore removed Nothing wrong with wanting to cover up or remove eyesores. Anyway, isn't that the whole point of bannerage at just about any Olympic Games? Without that bannerage, I personally know a few venues that would have just been ugly scaffolding in Sydney and London.
  10. As well as Lausanne, Monte Carlo's another reliable standby they can get at short notice through the graces of old Prince Albert - as they did when they netted out Agenda 2020.
  11. Olympic bidding process has become "toxic", former IOC marketing director says Some really interesting comments from Mike Payne in this, pretty well nailing on the head what I;ve said for a while, that the biggest problem the IOC is having difficulties coming to grips with is social media fuelling the anti-games movements, and also how the toxic legacy of Sochi is again as much a fault of poor communication as over-gran dose spending (I've always thought the $50 billion tag was overblown, but like much anti-Olympic criticism, it sticks). It's just getting to be a big societal problem - not just for the IOC but for the world and national governments as we've seen with Brexit and Trump's election. Social media is just fuelling anti-establishment and dissatisfaction rhetoric, and calmer, rational and moderate voices are just struggling to come to grips as to how to get heard and accepted above the clamour of the ultimate anti-nimby, alternative facts tool.
  12. But, again for the umpteenth time, taxpayer-funded public housing is not as anathema outside the US as it seems to be in the US. It's common. It's expected. It's demanded. So are public-private joint developments. People don't mind spending public money on housing developments. It's usually a positive selling point for a games. If people are shying away from a games, it's not the village that's putting them off - it's the bobsleigh runs, velodromes and white-water canoeing centres.
  13. But as I said, the US college dorm system is a peculiarly American beast, and not one that could be really replicated outside the US. Public housing, on the other hand, is an accepted system elsewhere. Indeed, lack of affordable housing is an issue where Governments find themselves under considerable political pressure, and Governments are expected and demanded to play a role in providing it. As Rob mentioned, the provision of new housing is one of the positive points that are often used to sell a bid to the local populace. It's just simply not the negative that you are trying to paint it as, or as it may sound to American ears. Again, as Rob has pointed out numerous times, the LA dorm plan is a perfectly suited American solution for an American games. The Paris housing plan is a perfectly European solution for a European games.
  14. Actually, 1. Been there before. Rio's was already private sector. I think it's also been done before that even, though I'd stand corrected on that. 2. The LA plan works for LA because of the US college and dorm culture. It's not a culture that is widely used outside the US. It's not a method that is transferrable to everywhere. The OV template used by most others though, has rarely been a huge risk factor or problem. LA's OV plan is a nice point of differentiation and is one way US cities can keep costs down. But it's not a solution for games outside the US.