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  1. But, again for the umpteenth time, taxpayer-funded public housing is not as anathema outside the US as it seems to be in the US. It's common. It's expected. It's demanded. So are public-private joint developments. People don't mind spending public money on housing developments. It's usually a positive selling point for a games. If people are shying away from a games, it's not the village that's putting them off - it's the bobsleigh runs, velodromes and white-water canoeing centres.
  2. But as I said, the US college dorm system is a peculiarly American beast, and not one that could be really replicated outside the US. Public housing, on the other hand, is an accepted system elsewhere. Indeed, lack of affordable housing is an issue where Governments find themselves under considerable political pressure, and Governments are expected and demanded to play a role in providing it. As Rob mentioned, the provision of new housing is one of the positive points that are often used to sell a bid to the local populace. It's just simply not the negative that you are trying to paint it as, or as it may sound to American ears. Again, as Rob has pointed out numerous times, the LA dorm plan is a perfectly suited American solution for an American games. The Paris housing plan is a perfectly European solution for a European games.
  3. Actually, 1. Been there before. Rio's was already private sector. I think it's also been done before that even, though I'd stand corrected on that. 2. The LA plan works for LA because of the US college and dorm culture. It's not a culture that is widely used outside the US. It's not a method that is transferrable to everywhere. The OV template used by most others though, has rarely been a huge risk factor or problem. LA's OV plan is a nice point of differentiation and is one way US cities can keep costs down. But it's not a solution for games outside the US.
  4. Exactly how many more Australian cities are wanted?
  5. O f course not - but we do need a balanced and informed discussion discussion, which we can certainly achieve on GamesBids - a la Athens, where the notion that gets mentioned often that the games caused its economic collapse is regularly refuted, or the lead-up to Rio, where the hysterical doomsday scenarios were, as you metioned pretty well dismissed by most thoughtful posters here (even if a few fed into the hysteria and continued to do so looking for every negative rid-bit they could finds well into the games). What we've had here is a bad-look story gain traction, given a very anti-Olympics spin rather than sheeting the blame towards political buck-passing, and lots of comments coming in here (and yes, look at the Rio legacy thread if you wanna see them) that the Rio Games were a disaster and this proves the legacy has been an abject failure. And while in your original post I've responded from you did hedge a bit about the story, you still managed to end with a blanket: "No way to spin a positive out of that. Because if the question is asked "was it worth it?" in terms of hosting the Olympics, the answer is an emphatic no." What we are capable of and should be doing is discussing the legacy in a more balanced way, instead of accepting the latest anti-games beat-up. As I mentioned, where beyond a few solitary posts by the odd Brazilian has much been acknowledged that the Maracana clean-up budget dispute was settled, that the first transfer move of one of their temporary swim facilities happened a week or so ago, the infrastructural assets now in place from the games? We're better than and can rise above the hyperbole of the sensationalist press who are always looking for the latest "evil Olympics" story they can find.
  6. A little sensationalist and hyperbolic?????? It's incredibly so, And they are just as damaging as the stories about Zika and the water - those damaged the whole perception of the games going in, and almost certainly dissuaded some not to go (we know it was used as an excuse by a few athletes - whether they were serious about it or not). These stories are feeding into the whole Evil Games Doom and Gloom agenda which we're seeing already doing so much damage to them. And, yes, I do think it's totally unfair to discuss the legacy of the Rio Olympics based on such sensationalist and agenda-driven reporting at this extremely early stage of the cycle. Even in the best of cases, any Olympic city is still in a stage of flux and transformation at this stage. Even three years on from Sydney, we were getting headlines that the Stadium was a flop and a white elephant (for years now, though, it's been an incredibly successful and highly used venue. That the Olympic Park a ghost town with no sense of purpose - today it's a thriving business and commercial area. But biased and bad reporting have a habit of sticking, and I remember well into my years here defending Sydney against perceptions it produced a heap of white elephants and what not. As to whether it's possible the Maracana situation gets turned around - well, it is being turned around. The Brazilian courts ruled quite recently that the OCOG had to foot the bill for the clean up. Because that's what it was, an argument about who would pay for the clean up. But funnily enough, that development didn't seem to get reported as widely as the original "Disaster, Rio stadium falling into decay" stories". But, of course, it wasn't as newsworthy.
  7. Sure, Sydney may have gone over it's original budget (just like every major public works project in Australia over the past 200 years), but it didn't leave us in debt like some of our other iconic (and still much loved) projects like the Sydney Opera House or Harbour Bridge. Rather, if you polled the average Sydneysider, you'd find consensus we came out on top in terms of economics, socials impact, infrastructure and legacy. Basically, 17 years down the track, we've not experienced and Olympic debt and the overall ledger has been positive. I've got to side with Zeke on this point. Those headlines are totally premature and totally misleading. I've mentioned in other threads that six months out from a games is far too early, if anything exactly the wrong time, to make judgements on the legacy of the event. The fact that Brazils most successful and iconic stadium was left uncleaned after the games, or a temporary swimming venue hadn't been moved yet, says more about Brazil's bureaucracy and politics than it does about the negative impact of a games. The cheap headlines they generated were in the same hysterical, hyperbolic and biased vein as those six months before the games forecasting mass zika infections and water poisonings from the bay. The jury is still out on the long term legacy of the games to Rio, and will be for years to come, but with aspects like its waterfront and public transport improvements, there's a lot positive already that doesn't get much of a look in in the sensationalist reports to date.
  8. Last thing I expected. Sydney set to join race to host 2022 Commonwealth Games Meh. Not so keen. I do think 2022 should not be in Oz.
  9. I think all that talk by Gideon Sam of 2022 being "reserved" for Africa was just him trying to push his hobby horse. The CGF certainly never made any such announcement. I don't believe for a minute they were set on Africa before anywhere else and discouraged any rival bids. They would have been happy to get bids from anywhere. Sure, they were probably also happy that Durban did give them an African candidate, but I still think if Edmonton had lasted the distance, it may have been doubtful whether Durban would have got the final nod at the end.
  10. Ah yes, I remember that logo now. Again in hindsight, about the only positive and concrete action they did. I just would've thought Toronto, with their Pan-Ams still fresh, would have been an obvious suspect. Of course, depends on the interest, will and desire from them. To tell the truth, I expected the CGF to have delayed the Durban announcement until they had the replacement already lined up. Maybe they are close to it, but not sealed in full yet.
  11. I'm gonna have to hunt and see if I still have the remains of my unfinished Valletta bid I started for a previous comp. Otherwise, it'll have to be a case of using White Out on one of my previous Abuja efforts.
  12. Yeah, it's a pity about the Moses Madhiba. And I fugure it'll be getting a bit long in the tooth to do an event without some significant renovation/modernisation by the time its next chance comes around. BTW - was there ever a logo? I can't even recall a bid logo from Durbs.
  13. It's all so easy to have 20-20 vision in hindsight, but really, for them to have got this far probably says more about the desire and goodwill of so many for the games to come to Africa and Durban than any confidence that at best they may have barely made it across the line with a games that would have made Delhi look professional. But for all our wishing it would happen (and even until this morning, I still hoped a last minute reprieve may have been worked out), the writing was on the wall from the word go... * First you had that bizarre campaign where Gideon Sam traipsed the length of the continent trying to drum up support for a bid from anywhere on his claim that 2022 were "reserved" for Africa. But no takers. Finally there came a hoped-for, half-expected, but pretty well lacklustre announcement from Durban that they're going for it. * And then that was it, sweet f-all from Durban for the duration of the "campaign". The only actual campaigning (and it was pretty serious and effective) that was done was by Edmonton (Gideon must have been sh!tting himself to see that) who were really the only one making any effort until provincial politics saw them drop out. After that, the Durban team only had to happily keep sitting on their arses and do nothing at all until they were named winners by default. I really think if Edmonton had stayed the distance, Durban would have got their rude shock much earlier and saved much of the angst. * Having won it, they then continued to do sweet f-all as their established mode of operation. No organising committee, no nothing but a few headlines coming out revealing that the only action happening was a sh!t fight between the local government and Pretoria as to who was going to pay for it. And Pretoria never did seem behind a bid at all - from even before the "bid" went official, it was clear the national government was dubious if not outright hostile to the notion. And who's to blame them? For all the desire so many people around the world and here for South Africa to host a Commies and an Olympics, you have to give the South Africa government credit that they've never been railroaded into it and, probably quite rightly, made clear they think it's an extravagance and they have other priorities to concentrate on. * Then, when the CGF hit the "please explain" button in November, you had a panicked Durban hurriedly form some sort of delegation and "committee" and rush to London with some plan for a stripped-back games without the need to rely on Pretoria. They'd truly hit the iceberg by that stage, but we should have seen it coming well before. I'm sure for many of us, it's a big disappointment. I'd hope 2026 is still a possibility, but I can't say confidence is high for that at all. And, for all anybody might do to sugarcoat it, it really puts the kibbosh on any hopes that South Africa might bring the Olympics to Africa finally in the near term. And for all that this has nothing to do with the Olympics or the IOC, it can't but be another big negative for the Games' and the IOC's reputation that another major event has gone begging because of cost and lack of effective support. It's another black eye for major international multi-sport extravaganzas. I guess we wait and watch now to see who picks up the pieces. Liverpool's mayor seems keen, but the hard-heads here from the UK say that is easier said than done. I;d guess there's a lot of begging emails floating between CGF house in London and Justin Trudeau and the Toronto mayor's offices. Oh well, gives us something to talk about here. Sigh!
  14. F*ck Handbagtota! what about the mighty Abuja? Haven't they got all the best facilities in Africa, if not the world, all ready in place ready to go from tomorrow?
  15. Probably because it's got nothing to do with the Paris or LA bids - it has it's own thread in news.